Warren Commission was correct........Oswald acted alone

[gipper]

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Agree with a lot of that but ifOswald was such a loser, why did he have ties to people from the FBI and CIA? See George de Mohrenschildt, Guy Bannister, Ruth Paine, William B Reilly, and Priscilla Johnson.

Oswald also held a high level security clearance while in Japan. He was no dummy.

How does a loser defect to the USSR, claim he gave radar secrets to the Russians, is loaned money by US Gov to return and face no consequences for his treasonous actions?

Don't forget the lies told of there being no relationship between Oswald and Jack Rubenstein aka Jack Ruby. How many gangsters and co-conspirators like Mohrenschildt and that little queer pilot played by Joe Pesci in JFK (whose name escapes me) that were to either testify before the Garrison committee or the Committee on Assassinations....nothing to see here, folks, move along.

PLUS we have all the coincidental deaths of those that were there that poised a threat that could refute the official report. Fifty four years old and I have seen a lot of things and very little surprises me but the stupidity of some people and their desire to hang on to pretty lies instead of the ugly truth still amazes me for some reason.

So true.

There were witnesses who came forth saying they saw Ruby talking to Oswald. The two men knew each other. Strange...no?

George de was clearly Oswald's CIA handler. Yet when he is to testify years later, he magically commits suicide the day before. He even approached is buddy Poppy (Kingpin) Bushy for help, but old George The Criminal ignores him...WTF! If these things don't persuade a statist of the idiocy of the WC Report, nothing will.

Conspiracy theorists are so cute

Talk about gullible

Typical troll post. You are most competent at trolling. Not much else.

Dispute anything I posted in the above post that is incorrect, otherwise leave the thread you started.

 

[candycorn]

Well?

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Interesting theory........credible

Like you said, Oswald was looking for a target of opportunity and JFK fell into his lap. There are no conspiracy theories for when he tried to kill Gen Walker ......he was just a semi famous person who Oswald had access to

Your theory seems to be that an outsider had to push Oswald into shooting. Seems Oswald already had it in mind.

I would rule out a big scale conspiracy. CIA, Mafia, USSR or Cuba would get a qualified assassin for such a high profile hit. Too many uncertainties with a loser like Oswald. They would set up a quick escape and then kill him

Two points…

I don’t think Oswald was pushed so much as he was a “useful idiot” who either volunteered or could be convinced to do something.

As for the CIA, Organized Crime Cuba using a “qualified assassin”, that’s just it; they had nothing to lose by employing Oswald on the down-low. If he kills Kennedy, each of those 3 organizations I listed experiences some warped benefit. If he tries and misses, he has nothing to implicate them. If he chickens out…nothing ventured, nothing gained. Those are the only 3 scenarios that could happen when you use an assassin. The added benefit of Oswald vs. a guy like Sammy the Bull is that Oswald has nothing concrete to offer. Sammy the Bull knows names, dates, the proverbial “where the bodies are buried”….

But you’re right. In my theory, something like this never would get official clearance of any kind simply because the more people know about it, the more exposure they have. A very small conspiracy involving 2 and possibly 3 people at the most.

 

[gipper]

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Interesting theory........credible

Like you said, Oswald was looking for a target of opportunity and JFK fell into his lap. There are no conspiracy theories for when he tried to kill Gen Walker ......he was just a semi famous person who Oswald had access to

Your theory seems to be that an outsider had to push Oswald into shooting. Seems Oswald already had it in mind.

I would rule out a big scale conspiracy. CIA, Mafia, USSR or Cuba would get a qualified assassin for such a high profile hit. Too many uncertainties with a loser like Oswald. They would set up a quick escape and then kill him

Two points…

I don’t think Oswald was pushed so much as he was a “useful idiot” who either volunteered or could be convinced to do something.

As for the CIA, Organized Crime Cuba using a “qualified assassin”, that’s just it; they had nothing to lose by employing Oswald on the down-low. If he kills Kennedy, each of those 3 organizations I listed experiences some warped benefit. If he tries and misses, he has nothing to implicate them. If he chickens out…nothing ventured, nothing gained. Those are the only 3 scenarios that could happen when you use an assassin. The added benefit of Oswald vs. a guy like Sammy the Bull is that Oswald has nothing concrete to offer. Sammy the Bull knows names, dates, the proverbial “where the bodies are buried”….

But you’re right. In my theory, something like this never would get official clearance of any kind simply because the more people know about it, the more exposure they have. A very small conspiracy involving 2 and possibly 3 people at the most.

Who benefited from JFK's death?

There lies the perpetrators.

It is really that simple.

 

[rightwinger]

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Agree with a lot of that but ifOswald was such a loser, why did he have ties to people from the FBI and CIA? See George de Mohrenschildt, Guy Bannister, Ruth Paine, William B Reilly, and Priscilla Johnson.

Oswald also held a high level security clearance while in Japan. He was no dummy.

How does a loser defect to the USSR, claim he gave radar secrets to the Russians, is loaned money by US Gov to return and face no consequences for his treasonous actions?

Don't forget the lies told of there being no relationship between Oswald and Jack Rubenstein aka Jack Ruby. How many gangsters and co-conspirators like Mohrenschildt and that little queer pilot played by Joe Pesci in JFK (whose name escapes me) that were to either testify before the Garrison committee or the Committee on Assassinations....nothing to see here, folks, move along.

PLUS we have all the coincidental deaths of those that were there that poised a threat that could refute the official report. Fifty four years old and I have seen a lot of things and very little surprises me but the stupidity of some people and their desire to hang on to pretty lies instead of the ugly truth still amazes me for some reason.

So true.

There were witnesses who came forth saying they saw Ruby talking to Oswald. The two men knew each other. Strange...no?

George de was clearly Oswald's CIA handler. Yet when he is to testify years later, he magically commits suicide the day before. He even approached is buddy Poppy (Kingpin) Bushy for help, but old George The Criminal ignores him...WTF! If these things don't persuade a statist of the idiocy of the WC Report, nothing will.

Conspiracy theorists are so cute

Talk about gullible

Typical troll post. You are most competent at trolling. Not much else.

Dispute anything I posted in the above post that is incorrect, otherwise leave the thread you started.

Ruby and Oswald met one time with the result being a bullet in Oswald’s belly

Your attempt to connect George Bush to the assassination is as ridiculous as Trumps claims that Ted Cruz’s father was in on it

Why do you guys believe any nonsense that is put in front of you? Your rants are as silly as Dales

 

[rightwinger]

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Interesting theory........credible

Like you said, Oswald was looking for a target of opportunity and JFK fell into his lap. There are no conspiracy theories for when he tried to kill Gen Walker ......he was just a semi famous person who Oswald had access to

Your theory seems to be that an outsider had to push Oswald into shooting. Seems Oswald already had it in mind.

I would rule out a big scale conspiracy. CIA, Mafia, USSR or Cuba would get a qualified assassin for such a high profile hit. Too many uncertainties with a loser like Oswald. They would set up a quick escape and then kill him

Two points…

I don’t think Oswald was pushed so much as he was a “useful idiot” who either volunteered or could be convinced to do something.

As for the CIA, Organized Crime Cuba using a “qualified assassin”, that’s just it; they had nothing to lose by employing Oswald on the down-low. If he kills Kennedy, each of those 3 organizations I listed experiences some warped benefit. If he tries and misses, he has nothing to implicate them. If he chickens out…nothing ventured, nothing gained. Those are the only 3 scenarios that could happen when you use an assassin. The added benefit of Oswald vs. a guy like Sammy the Bull is that Oswald has nothing concrete to offer. Sammy the Bull knows names, dates, the proverbial “where the bodies are buried”….

But you’re right. In my theory, something like this never would get official clearance of any kind simply because the more people know about it, the more exposure they have. A very small conspiracy involving 2 and possibly 3 people at the most.

Who benefited from JFK's death?

There lies the perpetrators.

It is really that simple.

So you claim anyone who may have benefitted from a murder must be the one who did it

Now THAT is really simple

 

[candycorn]

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Interesting theory........credible

Like you said, Oswald was looking for a target of opportunity and JFK fell into his lap. There are no conspiracy theories for when he tried to kill Gen Walker ......he was just a semi famous person who Oswald had access to

Your theory seems to be that an outsider had to push Oswald into shooting. Seems Oswald already had it in mind.

I would rule out a big scale conspiracy. CIA, Mafia, USSR or Cuba would get a qualified assassin for such a high profile hit. Too many uncertainties with a loser like Oswald. They would set up a quick escape and then kill him

Two points…

I don’t think Oswald was pushed so much as he was a “useful idiot” who either volunteered or could be convinced to do something.

As for the CIA, Organized Crime Cuba using a “qualified assassin”, that’s just it; they had nothing to lose by employing Oswald on the down-low. If he kills Kennedy, each of those 3 organizations I listed experiences some warped benefit. If he tries and misses, he has nothing to implicate them. If he chickens out…nothing ventured, nothing gained. Those are the only 3 scenarios that could happen when you use an assassin. The added benefit of Oswald vs. a guy like Sammy the Bull is that Oswald has nothing concrete to offer. Sammy the Bull knows names, dates, the proverbial “where the bodies are buried”….

But you’re right. In my theory, something like this never would get official clearance of any kind simply because the more people know about it, the more exposure they have. A very small conspiracy involving 2 and possibly 3 people at the most.

Who benefited from JFK's death?

There lies the perpetrators.

It is really that simple.

So you claim anyone who may have benefitted from a murder must be the one who did it

Now THAT is really simple

No.

No time to address right now

 

[LA RAM FAN]

i obviously meant to say in this post here that eyewitnesses said his head went BACKWARDS not forward which proves he was obviously shot from the front and the shills here can only cry in defeat like the paid shills they are.LOL

In 1992 on national TV, Dr Crenshaw told the world that all the doctors knew JFK was shot from the front .... but went along with the lie due to threats if they told truth that undermined the Warren Report bs.

yeah it wasnt until the 90's when he was much older and not afraid of the government anymore that he came out and told the truth writing a book about it how he was threatened into silence.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

rightwinger is a Mossad who was invested heavily in defense stocks, oil, gold, and the long bond on 9/10/2001


Nobody with a brain believes the Zionist Traitors of the "warren commission."

same as soupnazi,both who act like children when they are proven wrong.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Oswald was

JEWISH

as was Jack Ruby, who had a real name...

JACOB RUBENSTEIN


JFK was the first act of Zionism/Deep State. It was only the beginning.

the zionist shills farted nine times in a row on this page after you took them to school.LOL yeah people forget ruby was not his real name,that it was rubernstein and he was jewish hense the zionist connection to it.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

rightwinger is a Mossad who was invested heavily in defense stocks, oil, gold, and the long bond on 9/10/2001


Nobody with a brain believes the Zionist Traitors of the "warren commission."

I'll note it again and not to let the cat out of the bag but I believe this thread is the product of dry (very dry) humor presenting ironic satire. Much like his forays into "Trumpgas" and "Obamagas".

I think he just sets the fuse and watches the shitshow.

that is WHY I always tell people here only to see it fall on deaf ears all the time- ESPECIALLY with Langley employee agent nazi. who is just seeking attention and people here fall for it all the time and give him that attention he badly wants,

 

[LA RAM FAN]

More factual errors

Name them.

He murdered Tippet
His gun, he fled the scene and hid in a nearby theater

Oswald never shot Tippet and eye witnesses said it was someone of a stocky build that did it and it is my belief that it was G Gordon Liddy that had to kill Tippet to use as a body double after how badly the assassins failed to hit Kennedy in the back of the head. Tippet had an uncanny resemblance to JFK and his nickname around the station was "Jack" which was used as a derogatory dig at Tippet as he wasn't all that popular within the ranks and they didn't like JFK. Unfortunately for the cabal, in the excitement of the moment, Liddy shot Tippet on the right hand side of the head just like what happened to JFK. It was Tippet's body that Jacqueline Kennedy and Robert Kennedy saw after the plane landed at Bethesda. Jacqueline said it didn't look anything like JFK and something out of Madame Tussaud's wax museum. Tippet's body was taken to Methodist hospital where he was declared dead and then whisked away to Parkland hospital....why is that?

that first sentence along proves he did not do it. dont forget to mention as well the shell casings at the scene did not match oswalds gun.

There is speculation that the CIA killed Tippit to use his body as a double. As Dale stated, why would they whisk Tippit's body to Parkland?

Some speculate that Tippit's body is interned at Arlington.

I had never heard that part about Tippet being flown in as the double that they used at the autopsy,that one is new to me..

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You have long since been pwned by me and become my ***** boy so stop fooling yourself.

It is not a question of how much money he had it is a question of priorities and he had to get the rifle first. he did not have opportunity to get both which I have proven to you and force fed down your throat.

You know you are wrong and are now just a childish troll/

My assertion is logical factual and supported by evidence your denial is childish and idiotic

Cite evidence that Oswald fired that carbine and hit anything.

Well, we know he brought it into the building through Beull Frazier’s testimony; when the packaging was found, the rifle was found, and no curtain rods were found.

The bullets that were confirmed on the Zapruder film indicate there were 3 shots; first Conally turning his head; secondly, JFK grabbing his throat, and third, the fatal head shot. Science has proven (and I used to be a skeptic) that once a high velocity projectile enters a body, the physics make the bullets do things that are unexpected. Also pictures of the so called magic bullet that was found at Parkland show that it is not a pristine condition bullet with damage to the sides of the shell.

Oswalds’ actions after the assassination shout loudest about his guilt in the matter.

Agreed...we know Oswald brought the shitty carbine to work that day. Funny thing is if you planned to kill the POTUS that day, wouldn't you conceal the weapon? Yes he wrapped it up and claimed it was curtain rods, but really? No one can seriously think anyone would believe it was curtain rods, after the shooting occurred. As such he IMMEDIATELY becomes a SUSPECT...rather convenient I think.

Most real experts do not think any human shot in the back of the head, falls backward UPON IMPACT. It is physically and scientifically impossible. This alone proves a conspiracy took place...to say nothing of the numerous other inconsistencies, lies, distortions, cover ups, murders, etc.

If someone is standing on the ground, I would question it. When you’re in a car moving forward and someone guns the gas because they are being shot at, I think it’s more than logical body parts fall away from the direction being traveled.

I tend to doubt that too but at any rate, that is not what happened. Clearly the limo had slowed almost to a stop (strange no?), then came the head shot. When you are shot in the head, the response is instantaneous and that clearly is evident by JFK's head movement backward. The driver did not accelerate until after JFK's head had exploded. Secondly, Jackie was on the trunk gathering Jack's skill while an SS agent runs and jumps on the car. If the driver had accelerated enough to knock your head back, Jackie would have ended up in the street and the agent would never have reached the limo.

Many conspiracy theorists believe the driver was in on the CIA's assassination of JFK. Why would he slow almost to a stop at that point? The crowds had diminished and he had a straight road in front of him. Yet another questionable thing about the killing.

there is this one poster here who has a thread at another site i post at who has overwhelming evidence the driver did do it.I dont like to try and reason with people on it because even though I give them the evidence that shows it obviously was the driver,they are as closed minded on that as the people on here are that are NOT paid shills like nazi agent,candyass,and the OP wrongwinger and the IDIOT,err the hawk,the ones that are just brainwashed americans afraid of the truth we live in a banana republic and want to convince themselves oswald did it. It has been my experience THEY dont want to look at the evidence because they dont want the mystery solved who fired the fatal head shot.

one of the things i always hear of the people who say it could not have been the driver is they say there would have been witnesses that saw it,actutally there were a couple of them that DID see it.Jean Hill said she said she thought she saw a secret service agent turning around firing back.the agent in reference to hill obviously.

whats really funny is robert groden who is part of the controlled opposition,he gets so desperate to try and debunk the facts it was a drive in one of his books that while doing so he accidently lists a fact and helps prove the driver id it for me. agents like him always slip up everytime and they reveal their true selves.LOL

robery groden is 100 times a much more clever agent that agent nazi is,thats for sure.

there were a couple more as well,cant remember their names. the reason you did not have a lot more than hill and a a couple others is that as you know,when the shots were being fired,everybody was ducking down covering their heads so they did have the view to see him as jean hill did who did NOT duck down,she was so shocked she just stood there.

 

[rightwinger]

Name them.

He murdered Tippet
His gun, he fled the scene and hid in a nearby theater

Oswald never shot Tippet and eye witnesses said it was someone of a stocky build that did it and it is my belief that it was G Gordon Liddy that had to kill Tippet to use as a body double after how badly the assassins failed to hit Kennedy in the back of the head. Tippet had an uncanny resemblance to JFK and his nickname around the station was "Jack" which was used as a derogatory dig at Tippet as he wasn't all that popular within the ranks and they didn't like JFK. Unfortunately for the cabal, in the excitement of the moment, Liddy shot Tippet on the right hand side of the head just like what happened to JFK. It was Tippet's body that Jacqueline Kennedy and Robert Kennedy saw after the plane landed at Bethesda. Jacqueline said it didn't look anything like JFK and something out of Madame Tussaud's wax museum. Tippet's body was taken to Methodist hospital where he was declared dead and then whisked away to Parkland hospital....why is that?

that first sentence along proves he did not do it. dont forget to mention as well the shell casings at the scene did not match oswalds gun.

There is speculation that the CIA killed Tippit to use his body as a double. As Dale stated, why would they whisk Tippit's body to Parkland?

Some speculate that Tippit's body is interned at Arlington.

I had never heard that part about Tippet being flown in as the double that they used at the autopsy,that one is new to me..

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Tippet was flown in as a double and all USMB conspiracy nuts jump on the bandwagon

Need any more proof of their mental state?

 

[rightwinger]

Cite evidence that Oswald fired that carbine and hit anything.

Well, we know he brought it into the building through Beull Frazier’s testimony; when the packaging was found, the rifle was found, and no curtain rods were found.

The bullets that were confirmed on the Zapruder film indicate there were 3 shots; first Conally turning his head; secondly, JFK grabbing his throat, and third, the fatal head shot. Science has proven (and I used to be a skeptic) that once a high velocity projectile enters a body, the physics make the bullets do things that are unexpected. Also pictures of the so called magic bullet that was found at Parkland show that it is not a pristine condition bullet with damage to the sides of the shell.

Oswalds’ actions after the assassination shout loudest about his guilt in the matter.

Agreed...we know Oswald brought the shitty carbine to work that day. Funny thing is if you planned to kill the POTUS that day, wouldn't you conceal the weapon? Yes he wrapped it up and claimed it was curtain rods, but really? No one can seriously think anyone would believe it was curtain rods, after the shooting occurred. As such he IMMEDIATELY becomes a SUSPECT...rather convenient I think.

Most real experts do not think any human shot in the back of the head, falls backward UPON IMPACT. It is physically and scientifically impossible. This alone proves a conspiracy took place...to say nothing of the numerous other inconsistencies, lies, distortions, cover ups, murders, etc.

If someone is standing on the ground, I would question it. When you’re in a car moving forward and someone guns the gas because they are being shot at, I think it’s more than logical body parts fall away from the direction being traveled.

I tend to doubt that too but at any rate, that is not what happened. Clearly the limo had slowed almost to a stop (strange no?), then came the head shot. When you are shot in the head, the response is instantaneous and that clearly is evident by JFK's head movement backward. The driver did not accelerate until after JFK's head had exploded. Secondly, Jackie was on the trunk gathering Jack's skill while an SS agent runs and jumps on the car. If the driver had accelerated enough to knock your head back, Jackie would have ended up in the street and the agent would never have reached the limo.

Many conspiracy theorists believe the driver was in on the CIA's assassination of JFK. Why would he slow almost to a stop at that point? The crowds had diminished and he had a straight road in front of him. Yet another questionable thing about the killing.

there is this one poster here who has a thread at another site i post at who has overwhelming evidence the driver did do it.I dont like to try and reason with people on it because even though I give them the evidence that shows it obviously was the driver,they are as closed minded on that as the people on here are that are NOT paid shills like nazi agent,candyass,and the OP wrongwinger and the IDIOT,err the hawk,the ones that are just brainwashed americans afraid of the truth we live in a banana republic and want to convince themselves oswald did it. It has been my experience THEY dont want to look at the evidence because they dont want the mystery solved who fired the fatal head shot.

one of the things i always hear of the people who say it could not have been the driver is they say there would have been witnesses that saw it,actutally there were a couple of them that DID see it.Jean Hill said she said she thought she saw a secret service agent turning around firing back.the agent in reference to hill obviously.

whats really funny is robert groden who is part of the controlled opposition,he gets so desperate to try and debunk the facts it was a drive in one of his books that while doing so he accidently lists a fact and helps prove the driver id it for me. agents like him always slip up everytime and they reveal their true selves.LOL

robery groden is 100 times a much more clever agent that agent nazi is,thats for sure.

there were a couple more as well,cant remember their names. the reason you did not have a lot more than hill and a a couple others is that as you know,when the shots were being fired,everybody was ducking down covering their heads so they did have the view to see him as jean hill did who did NOT duck down,she was so shocked she just stood there.

Yes....because the driver knows nobody would see him fire three shots

Start a serious thread about Oswald and all the morons come out of the woodwork

 

[candycorn]

He murdered Tippet
His gun, he fled the scene and hid in a nearby theater

Oswald never shot Tippet and eye witnesses said it was someone of a stocky build that did it and it is my belief that it was G Gordon Liddy that had to kill Tippet to use as a body double after how badly the assassins failed to hit Kennedy in the back of the head. Tippet had an uncanny resemblance to JFK and his nickname around the station was "Jack" which was used as a derogatory dig at Tippet as he wasn't all that popular within the ranks and they didn't like JFK. Unfortunately for the cabal, in the excitement of the moment, Liddy shot Tippet on the right hand side of the head just like what happened to JFK. It was Tippet's body that Jacqueline Kennedy and Robert Kennedy saw after the plane landed at Bethesda. Jacqueline said it didn't look anything like JFK and something out of Madame Tussaud's wax museum. Tippet's body was taken to Methodist hospital where he was declared dead and then whisked away to Parkland hospital....why is that?

that first sentence along proves he did not do it. dont forget to mention as well the shell casings at the scene did not match oswalds gun.

There is speculation that the CIA killed Tippit to use his body as a double. As Dale stated, why would they whisk Tippit's body to Parkland?

Some speculate that Tippit's body is interned at Arlington.

I had never heard that part about Tippet being flown in as the double that they used at the autopsy,that one is new to me..

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Tippet was flown in as a double and all USMB conspiracy nuts jump on the bandwagon

Need any more proof of their mental state?

Yeah...when you get into body doubles, police planting evidence, you get into crazy koo koo land

 

[candycorn]

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Interesting theory........credible

Like you said, Oswald was looking for a target of opportunity and JFK fell into his lap. There are no conspiracy theories for when he tried to kill Gen Walker ......he was just a semi famous person who Oswald had access to

Your theory seems to be that an outsider had to push Oswald into shooting. Seems Oswald already had it in mind.

I would rule out a big scale conspiracy. CIA, Mafia, USSR or Cuba would get a qualified assassin for such a high profile hit. Too many uncertainties with a loser like Oswald. They would set up a quick escape and then kill him

Two points…

I don’t think Oswald was pushed so much as he was a “useful idiot” who either volunteered or could be convinced to do something.

As for the CIA, Organized Crime Cuba using a “qualified assassin”, that’s just it; they had nothing to lose by employing Oswald on the down-low. If he kills Kennedy, each of those 3 organizations I listed experiences some warped benefit. If he tries and misses, he has nothing to implicate them. If he chickens out…nothing ventured, nothing gained. Those are the only 3 scenarios that could happen when you use an assassin. The added benefit of Oswald vs. a guy like Sammy the Bull is that Oswald has nothing concrete to offer. Sammy the Bull knows names, dates, the proverbial “where the bodies are buried”….

But you’re right. In my theory, something like this never would get official clearance of any kind simply because the more people know about it, the more exposure they have. A very small conspiracy involving 2 and possibly 3 people at the most.

Who benefited from JFK's death?

There lies the perpetrators.

It is really that simple.

So you claim anyone who may have benefitted from a murder must be the one who did it

Now THAT is really simple

I see. you were responding to someone else. My bad

 

[Dale Smith]

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Interesting theory........credible

Like you said, Oswald was looking for a target of opportunity and JFK fell into his lap. There are no conspiracy theories for when he tried to kill Gen Walker ......he was just a semi famous person who Oswald had access to

Your theory seems to be that an outsider had to push Oswald into shooting. Seems Oswald already had it in mind.

I would rule out a big scale conspiracy. CIA, Mafia, USSR or Cuba would get a qualified assassin for such a high profile hit. Too many uncertainties with a loser like Oswald. They would set up a quick escape and then kill him

Two points…

I don’t think Oswald was pushed so much as he was a “useful idiot” who either volunteered or could be convinced to do something.

As for the CIA, Organized Crime Cuba using a “qualified assassin”, that’s just it; they had nothing to lose by employing Oswald on the down-low. If he kills Kennedy, each of those 3 organizations I listed experiences some warped benefit. If he tries and misses, he has nothing to implicate them. If he chickens out…nothing ventured, nothing gained. Those are the only 3 scenarios that could happen when you use an assassin. The added benefit of Oswald vs. a guy like Sammy the Bull is that Oswald has nothing concrete to offer. Sammy the Bull knows names, dates, the proverbial “where the bodies are buried”….

But you’re right. In my theory, something like this never would get official clearance of any kind simply because the more people know about it, the more exposure they have. A very small conspiracy involving 2 and possibly 3 people at the most.

Who benefited from JFK's death?

There lies the perpetrators.

It is really that simple.

Exactly...the military industrial mcomplex got their Vietnam War, the silver backed certificates were taken out of circulation thus satisfying the Federal Reserve, LBJ got the CEO position when he was going to be booted from the ticket in 1964, The CIA wasn't broken up and became even more powerful. Cardinal Spellman, the highest ranked Jesuit returned to getting his daily security updates. The oilmen didn't lose their oil depletion allowance. Hoover went from on the verge of being cut loose because he had been compromised by the mafia because they had pictures of him being a cross-dressing queer. Looks like that is all the mafia got out of the deal...that and continued work with the CIA.

All in all? I would say it worked out quite well for the crooks.

 

[Dale Smith]

Unless you have watched the documentary whose link I provided for you? Eyewitnesses of two groups of men claim that they guarded JFK's body to Bethesda..only one strange thing? One coffin was cheaply made and they couldn't believe a president would be put in one like that. One other group said that the casket they guarded was bronze and finely made. You can hear their own words if you watch the documentary...plenty of eyewitness testimonies describing the assassins, where they were perched as well.

BTW, does anyone else believe that it's a bit unsettling that the man picked for doing the most important autopsy of his life had never done one on a gunshot victim? Imagine that?

 

[westwall]

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Interesting theory........credible

Like you said, Oswald was looking for a target of opportunity and JFK fell into his lap. There are no conspiracy theories for when he tried to kill Gen Walker ......he was just a semi famous person who Oswald had access to

Your theory seems to be that an outsider had to push Oswald into shooting. Seems Oswald already had it in mind.

I would rule out a big scale conspiracy. CIA, Mafia, USSR or Cuba would get a qualified assassin for such a high profile hit. Too many uncertainties with a loser like Oswald. They would set up a quick escape and then kill him

Two points…

I don’t think Oswald was pushed so much as he was a “useful idiot” who either volunteered or could be convinced to do something.

As for the CIA, Organized Crime Cuba using a “qualified assassin”, that’s just it; they had nothing to lose by employing Oswald on the down-low. If he kills Kennedy, each of those 3 organizations I listed experiences some warped benefit. If he tries and misses, he has nothing to implicate them. If he chickens out…nothing ventured, nothing gained. Those are the only 3 scenarios that could happen when you use an assassin. The added benefit of Oswald vs. a guy like Sammy the Bull is that Oswald has nothing concrete to offer. Sammy the Bull knows names, dates, the proverbial “where the bodies are buried”….

But you’re right. In my theory, something like this never would get official clearance of any kind simply because the more people know about it, the more exposure they have. A very small conspiracy involving 2 and possibly 3 people at the most.

Who benefited from JFK's death?

There lies the perpetrators.

It is really that simple.

So you claim anyone who may have benefitted from a murder must be the one who did it

Now THAT is really simple

Not at all. But those who benefited the most, most likely did indeed do it.

 

[gipper]

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Interesting theory........credible

Like you said, Oswald was looking for a target of opportunity and JFK fell into his lap. There are no conspiracy theories for when he tried to kill Gen Walker ......he was just a semi famous person who Oswald had access to

Your theory seems to be that an outsider had to push Oswald into shooting. Seems Oswald already had it in mind.

I would rule out a big scale conspiracy. CIA, Mafia, USSR or Cuba would get a qualified assassin for such a high profile hit. Too many uncertainties with a loser like Oswald. They would set up a quick escape and then kill him

Two points…

I don’t think Oswald was pushed so much as he was a “useful idiot” who either volunteered or could be convinced to do something.

As for the CIA, Organized Crime Cuba using a “qualified assassin”, that’s just it; they had nothing to lose by employing Oswald on the down-low. If he kills Kennedy, each of those 3 organizations I listed experiences some warped benefit. If he tries and misses, he has nothing to implicate them. If he chickens out…nothing ventured, nothing gained. Those are the only 3 scenarios that could happen when you use an assassin. The added benefit of Oswald vs. a guy like Sammy the Bull is that Oswald has nothing concrete to offer. Sammy the Bull knows names, dates, the proverbial “where the bodies are buried”….

But you’re right. In my theory, something like this never would get official clearance of any kind simply because the more people know about it, the more exposure they have. A very small conspiracy involving 2 and possibly 3 people at the most.

Who benefited from JFK's death?

There lies the perpetrators.

It is really that simple.

So you claim anyone who may have benefitted from a murder must be the one who did it

Now THAT is really simple

It is so simple that a simpleton like you, can’t accept it.