Warren Commission was correct........Oswald acted alone

[gipper]

He didn't murder Tippet. It was practically impossible for him to cover the distance from his home, to the site of the murder, and then get to the movie theater in the time allotted.

More factual errors

Name them.

He murdered Tippet
His gun, he fled the scene and hid in a nearby theater

Oswald never shot Tippet and eye witnesses said it was someone of a stocky build that did it and it is my belief that it was G Gordon Liddy that had to kill Tippet to use as a body double after how badly the assassins failed to hit Kennedy in the back of the head. Tippet had an uncanny resemblance to JFK and his nickname around the station was "Jack" which was used as a derogatory dig at Tippet as he wasn't all that popular within the ranks and they didn't like JFK. Unfortunately for the cabal, in the excitement of the moment, Liddy shot Tippet on the right hand side of the head just like what happened to JFK. It was Tippet's body that Jacqueline Kennedy and Robert Kennedy saw after the plane landed at Bethesda. Jacqueline said it didn't look anything like JFK and something out of Madame Tussaud's wax museum. Tippet's body was taken to Methodist hospital where he was declared dead and then whisked away to Parkland hospital....why is that?

that first sentence along proves he did not do it. dont forget to mention as well the shell casings at the scene did not match oswalds gun.

There is speculation that the CIA killed Tippit to use his body as a double. As Dale stated, why would they whisk Tippit's body to Parkland?

Some speculate that Tippit's body is interned at Arlington.

 

[gipper]

The greatest and best documentary about the JFK assassination was done by Francis Richard Connolly...someone that I am proud to call a friend. He found out that I mentioned his documentary when I was interviewed on John B Wells show "Caravan To Midnight" and he contacted me. I was beyond honored and never did I ever believe that I would ever speak with this incredible researcher and documentary maker. I bet the naysayers will never spend the time to watch this. I was introduced to this video almost four years ago and although it is 3 and a half hours long, I watched it from beginning to end and have either watched it or listened to it at least 15 times...it has just that much information.

Watch this and come back and then tell me with a straight face that Oswald and ONLY Oswald was involved in killing Kennedy.

I have seen that video before and do not doubt that much or all of it is true. The thing is it is so dark and depressing, that most Americans just don't have the stomach for it. I suspect this helps the criminal ruling class get away with the crimes they regularly commit.

 

[rightwinger]

How wonderful --- Denialists can actually read people's thoughts. Even half a century later.

I'm not sure what your theory is on the whole matter.

I'm sure Oswald was the lone gunman in this assassination. However, Oswald did a lot of things that just do not make sense if, in fact, he was the only one involved in the assassination. Not having an escape plan is fine. But if you're going to say he was just resigned to getting caught after he killed JFK....you have to explain the following facts;

Why leave the building and the rifle behind? If you know you're going to get caught, why not stay up there and shoot it out with the cops?
Why, if you're going to leave the building (which seems (to me anyway) to indicate that he is at least interested in getting away) and go home and get his pistol; why not have it before and save yourself precious time?
Why, if you're going to go through the time and trouble to conceal this rifle...why not put the pistol in your lunch box or pocket or whatever too?

There doesn't seem to be any logical explanations. The ones offered are "he didn't have a chance" or "he knew it was over"...
The problem with those explanations is that his actions prove that he did have a chance and that he did try to at least evade the police.

Because even if someone is resigned to getting caught it does not mean they will not seize an opportunity to TRY and get away.

Your premise is that such thins are predictable, they are not.

He had no opportunity to get both weapons the day before as has been proven and you know.

Yes logical and reasonable and evidence based explanations have been carefully spoon fed to you. You however are a tiny ego brat who wants to appear intelligent so you keep repeating debunked stupid and illogical crap

Amazing, he had the money to take cabs and buses after killing JFK.
Your bizarre assertion that he didn't have it the day before is bewildering.
I guess they had a casino or something inside the TSBD and he won the money to take the cabs and buses?

*yawn*

You ever get tired of being my *****?

You have long since been pwned by me and become my ***** boy so stop fooling yourself.

It is not a question of how much money he had it is a question of priorities and he had to get the rifle first. he did not have opportunity to get both which I have proven to you and force fed down your throat.

You know you are wrong and are now just a childish troll/

My assertion is logical factual and supported by evidence your denial is childish and idiotic

Cite evidence that Oswald fired that carbine and hit anything.

How wonderful --- Denialists can actually read people's thoughts. Even half a century later.

I'm not sure what your theory is on the whole matter.

I'm sure Oswald was the lone gunman in this assassination. However, Oswald did a lot of things that just do not make sense if, in fact, he was the only one involved in the assassination. Not having an escape plan is fine. But if you're going to say he was just resigned to getting caught after he killed JFK....you have to explain the following facts;

Why leave the building and the rifle behind? If you know you're going to get caught, why not stay up there and shoot it out with the cops?
Why, if you're going to leave the building (which seems (to me anyway) to indicate that he is at least interested in getting away) and go home and get his pistol; why not have it before and save yourself precious time?
Why, if you're going to go through the time and trouble to conceal this rifle...why not put the pistol in your lunch box or pocket or whatever too?

There doesn't seem to be any logical explanations. The ones offered are "he didn't have a chance" or "he knew it was over"...
The problem with those explanations is that his actions prove that he did have a chance and that he did try to at least evade the police.

Because even if someone is resigned to getting caught it does not mean they will not seize an opportunity to TRY and get away.

Your premise is that such thins are predictable, they are not.

He had no opportunity to get both weapons the day before as has been proven and you know.

Yes logical and reasonable and evidence based explanations have been carefully spoon fed to you. You however are a tiny ego brat who wants to appear intelligent so you keep repeating debunked stupid and illogical crap

Amazing, he had the money to take cabs and buses after killing JFK.
Your bizarre assertion that he didn't have it the day before is bewildering.
I guess they had a casino or something inside the TSBD and he won the money to take the cabs and buses?

*yawn*

You ever get tired of being my *****?

You have long since been pwned by me and become my ***** boy so stop fooling yourself.

It is not a question of how much money he had it is a question of priorities and he had to get the rifle first. he did not have opportunity to get both which I have proven to you and force fed down your throat.

You know you are wrong and are now just a childish troll/

My assertion is logical factual and supported by evidence your denial is childish and idiotic

Cite evidence that Oswald fired that carbine and hit anything.

The rifle belonged to Oswald. There was a picture of him with the rifle. They traced the mail order purchase to Oswald, the bullet was traced to his Carcano, same gun he used against Gen Walker, the gun was found at his place of work, he brought a gun shaped package to work and no “curtain rods” were found, he fled the scene after the shooting

 

[rightwinger]

He didn't murder Tippet. It was practically impossible for him to cover the distance from his home, to the site of the murder, and then get to the movie theater in the time allotted.

More factual errors

Name them.

He murdered Tippet
His gun, he fled the scene and hid in a nearby theater

Oswald never shot Tippet and eye witnesses said it was someone of a stocky build that did it and it is my belief that it was G Gordon Liddy that had to kill Tippet to use as a body double after how badly the assassins failed to hit Kennedy in the back of the head. Tippet had an uncanny resemblance to JFK and his nickname around the station was "Jack" which was used as a derogatory dig at Tippet as he wasn't all that popular within the ranks and they didn't like JFK. Unfortunately for the cabal, in the excitement of the moment, Liddy shot Tippet on the right hand side of the head just like what happened to JFK. It was Tippet's body that Jacqueline Kennedy and Robert Kennedy saw after the plane landed at Bethesda. Jacqueline said it didn't look anything like JFK and something out of Madame Tussaud's wax museum. Tippet's body was taken to Methodist hospital where he was declared dead and then whisked away to Parkland hospital....why is that?

that first sentence along proves he did not do it. dont forget to mention as well the shell casings at the scene did not match oswalds gun.

Actually, the shell casings did match the gun

You are making shit up

 

[candycorn]

Okay…prove it. How long would it have taken? What is the mileage radius?

I have done so already and the distance and time are not the relevant factors.

Stop asking for proof which has already been given.

You know you already lost and are just acting like a chump

Ahh, the old dodge. You have done no such thing and you know it. When you wish to post your proof…feel free. You’re on ignore for a while for being a total jerk. <plink>

FACT.
When they put you on ignore they know they lost and you won

Nya, Nya, Nya

I can’t hear you!

I put homeboy on ignore because he says he did something that he clearly did not. You have more class than that so I’m hoping you can take up the battle for him:

Okay…prove it. How long would it have taken? What is the mileage radius?

If it’s in this thread, I am unaware of it. I can almost 100% assure you that it is not.

Well?

 

[rightwinger]

I have done so already and the distance and time are not the relevant factors.

Stop asking for proof which has already been given.

You know you already lost and are just acting like a chump

Ahh, the old dodge. You have done no such thing and you know it. When you wish to post your proof…feel free. You’re on ignore for a while for being a total jerk. <plink>

FACT.
When they put you on ignore they know they lost and you won

Nya, Nya, Nya

I can’t hear you!

I put homeboy on ignore because he says he did something that he clearly did not. You have more class than that so I’m hoping you can take up the battle for him:

Okay…prove it. How long would it have taken? What is the mileage radius?

If it’s in this thread, I am unaware of it. I can almost 100% assure you that it is not.

Well?

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

 

[candycorn]

Ahh, the old dodge. You have done no such thing and you know it. When you wish to post your proof…feel free. You’re on ignore for a while for being a total jerk. <plink>

FACT.
When they put you on ignore they know they lost and you won

Nya, Nya, Nya

I can’t hear you!

I put homeboy on ignore because he says he did something that he clearly did not. You have more class than that so I’m hoping you can take up the battle for him:

Okay…prove it. How long would it have taken? What is the mileage radius?

If it’s in this thread, I am unaware of it. I can almost 100% assure you that it is not.

Well?

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

 

[percysunshine]

Just checking....

 

[gipper]

FACT.
When they put you on ignore they know they lost and you won

Nya, Nya, Nya

I can’t hear you!

I put homeboy on ignore because he says he did something that he clearly did not. You have more class than that so I’m hoping you can take up the battle for him:

Okay…prove it. How long would it have taken? What is the mileage radius?

If it’s in this thread, I am unaware of it. I can almost 100% assure you that it is not.

Well?

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

 

[rightwinger]

Nya, Nya, Nya

I can’t hear you!

I put homeboy on ignore because he says he did something that he clearly did not. You have more class than that so I’m hoping you can take up the battle for him:

Okay…prove it. How long would it have taken? What is the mileage radius?

If it’s in this thread, I am unaware of it. I can almost 100% assure you that it is not.

Well?

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Oddball Logic

Oswald’s lack of a credible escape plan highlights it could not have been a conspiracy. Anyone helping him would at least have something as basic as a car.

But conspiracy nuts envision the CIA, Soviets or Mafia allowing a loser like Oswald to get caught in an hour and a half

 

[candycorn]

Nya, Nya, Nya

I can’t hear you!

I put homeboy on ignore because he says he did something that he clearly did not. You have more class than that so I’m hoping you can take up the battle for him:

Okay…prove it. How long would it have taken? What is the mileage radius?

If it’s in this thread, I am unaware of it. I can almost 100% assure you that it is not.

Well?

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

 

[Dale Smith]

More factual errors

Name them.

He murdered Tippet
His gun, he fled the scene and hid in a nearby theater

Oswald never shot Tippet and eye witnesses said it was someone of a stocky build that did it and it is my belief that it was G Gordon Liddy that had to kill Tippet to use as a body double after how badly the assassins failed to hit Kennedy in the back of the head. Tippet had an uncanny resemblance to JFK and his nickname around the station was "Jack" which was used as a derogatory dig at Tippet as he wasn't all that popular within the ranks and they didn't like JFK. Unfortunately for the cabal, in the excitement of the moment, Liddy shot Tippet on the right hand side of the head just like what happened to JFK. It was Tippet's body that Jacqueline Kennedy and Robert Kennedy saw after the plane landed at Bethesda. Jacqueline said it didn't look anything like JFK and something out of Madame Tussaud's wax museum. Tippet's body was taken to Methodist hospital where he was declared dead and then whisked away to Parkland hospital....why is that?

that first sentence along proves he did not do it. dont forget to mention as well the shell casings at the scene did not match oswalds gun.

Actually, the shell casings did match the gun

You are making shit up

Including the bullet that was mysteriously found on the gurney of JFK in pristine condition? There were at least 16 shots fired that day....you say it was just three? Go pull someone else's legs....mine are long enough already.

 

[WheelieAddict]

What about the gassy knoll and umbrella babushka poison dart stuff?

 

[Dale Smith]

I put homeboy on ignore because he says he did something that he clearly did not. You have more class than that so I’m hoping you can take up the battle for him:

Okay…prove it. How long would it have taken? What is the mileage radius?

If it’s in this thread, I am unaware of it. I can almost 100% assure you that it is not.

Well?

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Allen Dulles, fired by JFK from the CIA is put on the Warren Commission....that alone reeks.

 

[gipper]

I put homeboy on ignore because he says he did something that he clearly did not. You have more class than that so I’m hoping you can take up the battle for him:

Okay…prove it. How long would it have taken? What is the mileage radius?

If it’s in this thread, I am unaware of it. I can almost 100% assure you that it is not.

Well?

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Agree with a lot of that but ifOswald was such a loser, why did he have ties to people from the FBI and CIA? See George de Mohrenschildt, Guy Bannister, Ruth Paine, William B Reilly, and Priscilla Johnson.

Oswald also held a high level security clearance while in Japan. He was no dummy.

How does a loser defect to the USSR, claim he gave radar secrets to the Russians, is loaned money by US Gov to return and face no consequences for his treasonous actions?

 

[Dale Smith]

Well?

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Agree with a lot of that but ifOswald was such a loser, why did he have ties to people from the FBI and CIA? See George de Mohrenschildt, Guy Bannister, Ruth Paine, William B Reilly, and Priscilla Johnson.

Oswald also held a high level security clearance while in Japan. He was no dummy.

How does a loser defect to the USSR, claim he gave radar secrets to the Russians, is loaned money by US Gov to return and face no consequences for his treasonous actions?

Don't forget the lies told of there being no relationship between Oswald and Jack Rubenstein aka Jack Ruby. How many gangsters and co-conspirators like Mohrenschildt and that little queer pilot played by Joe Pesci in JFK (whose name escapes me) that were to either testify before the Garrison committee or the Committee on Assassinations....nothing to see here, folks, move along.

PLUS we have all the coincidental deaths of those that were there that poised a threat that could refute the official report. Fifty four years old and I have seen a lot of things and very little surprises me but the stupidity of some people and their desire to hang on to pretty lies instead of the ugly truth still amazes me for some reason.

 

[rightwinger]

I put homeboy on ignore because he says he did something that he clearly did not. You have more class than that so I’m hoping you can take up the battle for him:

Okay…prove it. How long would it have taken? What is the mileage radius?

If it’s in this thread, I am unaware of it. I can almost 100% assure you that it is not.

Well?

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Interesting theory........credible

Like you said, Oswald was looking for a target of opportunity and JFK fell into his lap. There are no conspiracy theories for when he tried to kill Gen Walker ......he was just a semi famous person who Oswald had access to

Your theory seems to be that an outsider had to push Oswald into shooting. Seems Oswald already had it in mind.

I would rule out a big scale conspiracy. CIA, Mafia, USSR or Cuba would get a qualified assassin for such a high profile hit. Too many uncertainties with a loser like Oswald. They would set up a quick escape and then kill him

 

[rightwinger]

Well?

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Agree with a lot of that but ifOswald was such a loser, why did he have ties to people from the FBI and CIA? See George de Mohrenschildt, Guy Bannister, Ruth Paine, William B Reilly, and Priscilla Johnson.

Oswald also held a high level security clearance while in Japan. He was no dummy.

How does a loser defect to the USSR, claim he gave radar secrets to the Russians, is loaned money by US Gov to return and face no consequences for his treasonous actions?

Six degrees of separation

In your life, you encounter many people. Someone playing connect the dots can connect you to almost anything. Oswald was a Marxist Anarchist who was looking for like minded people. He would be open to meeting odd characters

 

[gipper]

Frankly, you obsession with a stupid pistol is mostly irrelevant to the case

I really don’t care

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Agree with a lot of that but ifOswald was such a loser, why did he have ties to people from the FBI and CIA? See George de Mohrenschildt, Guy Bannister, Ruth Paine, William B Reilly, and Priscilla Johnson.

Oswald also held a high level security clearance while in Japan. He was no dummy.

How does a loser defect to the USSR, claim he gave radar secrets to the Russians, is loaned money by US Gov to return and face no consequences for his treasonous actions?

Don't forget the lies told of there being no relationship between Oswald and Jack Rubenstein aka Jack Ruby. How many gangsters and co-conspirators like Mohrenschildt and that little queer pilot played by Joe Pesci in JFK (whose name escapes me) that were to either testify before the Garrison committee or the Committee on Assassinations....nothing to see here, folks, move along.

PLUS we have all the coincidental deaths of those that were there that poised a threat that could refute the official report. Fifty four years old and I have seen a lot of things and very little surprises me but the stupidity of some people and their desire to hang on to pretty lies instead of the ugly truth still amazes me for some reason.

So true.

There were witnesses who came forth saying they saw Ruby talking to Oswald. The two men knew each other. Strange...no?

George de was clearly Oswald's CIA handler. Yet when he is to testify years later, he magically commits suicide the day before. He even approached is buddy Poppy (Kingpin) Bushy for help, but old George The Criminal ignores him...WTF! If these things don't persuade a statist of the idiocy of the WC Report, nothing will.

 

[rightwinger]

Ahh...

One would think that if it were as "impossible" as Soup (and yourself I presume) have alleged, you'd be quick to point out the impossibilities of being able to assemble the arsenal in the time frame allotted. Soup lied and said he had. He hasn't. And now you say you do not care. Fine. Offering some sort of proof of your firmly held position usually isn't too much to ask and if it were logistically impossible...one would think the proof would be easily attained. Since it is not being offered...well...draw your own conclusions.

Okay....

The "irrelevant" pistol was relevant enough to where Oswald went to collect it after the assassination. So that makes it relevant for most people. Was the shooting of Tippit irrelevant? Probably not to the WC or to Tippit. It helped seal his guilt in the matter. You and I, we can call this relevant, that irrelevant, and whatever...the agreed upon fact is that LHO went and got his pistol after he assassinated Kennedy. So it was relevant to him.

Now...

Why did he go home and get the pistol? Obviously LHO thought it was important enough to get after the assassination. Why didn't he get it before? From everything I have read, seen, heard of, studied, etc... he seemed to have means, motive, and opportunity to do just that if he knew he was going to need it. That he didn't speaks to his belief that he didn't need it.

So...

Clearly something changed at about the same time he was killing Kennedy. We all have theories. You have yours. Soup has his. The other knobs on this board have theirs. The Warren Commission is just the commission's theory--most of which I agree with by the way. Mine is that he was promised support by someone (not sure who) that didn't materialize; Oswald was dumb enough to believe it would be there and when it didn't materialize, we saw what happened.

I think we can all agree...well those of us who have analyzed the event rather than just accept a criminal government's propaganda, that anyone shooting the POTUS would have a plan to get out of town ASAP. Oswald lingering around Dallas is yet another proof of conspiracy, among so many proofs.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies who were from large organizations. The Cubans, pissed about the Bay of Pigs. The CIA who was pissed about the Bay of Pigs. Cuban sympathizers who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs. I don't think the Russians much cared much about Kennedy one way or the other. Generally, as we're seeing now, a divisive figure in the Oval is good for Russia because it weakens their primary global competitor.

When one considers Oswald, this pathetic loser, one should be struck by just how many failures he's had in his life. Based on that alone, I can see where he would do something like this, only wishing for a place of infamy in history; put another way....killing Kennedy for the sake of killing the President. Had the president been Richard Nixon...he would have killed him. Had the President been LBJ...he would have killed LBJ. Had it been Cabot Lodge, Rockefeller, or Captain Kangaroo...they would have been shot that day in Dallas by Oswald.

Anyway, I can see the argument for killing the President just for the notoriety that comes with killing the President.

Until you look closely at the actions after the killing:

• Leaves the TSBD and catches the bus at 12:33.
• Gets off the bus and into and out of a cab between 12:40 and 12:45
• Gets his gun and then kills Tippit at 1:15
• Enters the Texas Theater at about 1:40
• Is arrested at 1:50

I agree with you, you would think that he would have some plan other than all that. This is why I think there was a promise made to assist Oswald; one that he was foolish enough to believe, one that was never going to materialize. Because if you're the CIA, the Cubans, or a Cuban sympathizer or just some other group of mixed nuts that wanted to take the US down a peg...you have all "upside" and no downside. You have this clod in Oswald who is a loose cannon, I can see an opportunist who may have described himself as "Mr. Smith" to Oswald and pledged egress support, a second shooter, or whatever. Oswald does his part, "Mr. Smith" doesn't do another thing; disappearing into the ether...doesn't tell his bosses or anyone else.

• Oswald either kills Kennedy in the assassination
• Oswald doesn't kill Kennedy in the assassination attempt
• Oswald chickens out

We know what happened. He killed Kennedy. Any of the 3 scenarios does not expose the off-stage actor to any liability at all. Again, all "upside", no downside. When he is questioned, he eventually gives up "Mr. Smith" who is, of course, not Mr. Smith or anything close to it. The police have nowhere to go except Oswald. It's a classic scam of getting your mark to do something and you risk nothing. This is why I feel that he ended up in the theater. It would be a perfect place for a clandestine meeting.

That is my theory anyway. Everyone has their own; the Warren Commission is just the Commission's theory and has the seal of the Government on it. I agree with much of what it says. I feel that the actions after the assassination are too convoluted to be passed off as "big deal"

Agree with a lot of that but ifOswald was such a loser, why did he have ties to people from the FBI and CIA? See George de Mohrenschildt, Guy Bannister, Ruth Paine, William B Reilly, and Priscilla Johnson.

Oswald also held a high level security clearance while in Japan. He was no dummy.

How does a loser defect to the USSR, claim he gave radar secrets to the Russians, is loaned money by US Gov to return and face no consequences for his treasonous actions?

Don't forget the lies told of there being no relationship between Oswald and Jack Rubenstein aka Jack Ruby. How many gangsters and co-conspirators like Mohrenschildt and that little queer pilot played by Joe Pesci in JFK (whose name escapes me) that were to either testify before the Garrison committee or the Committee on Assassinations....nothing to see here, folks, move along.

PLUS we have all the coincidental deaths of those that were there that poised a threat that could refute the official report. Fifty four years old and I have seen a lot of things and very little surprises me but the stupidity of some people and their desire to hang on to pretty lies instead of the ugly truth still amazes me for some reason.

So true.

There were witnesses who came forth saying they saw Ruby talking to Oswald. The two men knew each other. Strange...no?

George de was clearly Oswald's CIA handler. Yet when he is to testify years later, he magically commits suicide the day before. He even approached is buddy Poppy (Kingpin) Bushy for help, but old George The Criminal ignores him...WTF! If these things don't persuade a statist of the idiocy of the WC Report, nothing will.

Conspiracy theorists are so cute

Talk about gullible