War With Syria: Yea Or Nay?

Do You Support War With Syria?


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With this much consensus it must clearly be wrong.

I'll offer the opposite view. Once Obama made an issue of Syria's use of chemical weapons then it became something we would have to do. Chemical weapons are the big taboo of war. Hardly anyone has used them since WW1. Even Hitler would not use chem weapons.
If we stand aside and let Assad's use of them go then it will give the greenlight to everyone in the world to start using them. We must take a stand, a credible one, and show that use of chemical weapons is unacceptable. Lobbing a few cruise missiles will not do that.
There are few good options here. That is the position Obama and his inexperience have gotten us into. But that is where we are.


Hitler didn't use chemical weapons... on the battlefield.


The fact of the matter is, no one yet knows who pulled the trigger on the chems, Assad? Some rogue element within Assad's structure? The rebels? This is a lose-lose situation. Attack Assad, support al Qaeda. Hit the al Qaeda backed rebels, support an asshole.

I say no, best to stay out. No matter what we as a nation do, we'll be criticized for it, and probably for it attacked as well.
 
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Our allies have said no.

No doubt Obama is regretting that "red line" comment.

This would be unilateral and an absolute disaster.

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Yeah i'm no big fan of the Brits, but it was fascinating watching their System work. Now we need to get our Politicians back to following the Constitution and allowing our System to work too. Because it really does work.
 
I said something similar, earlier today...

95 to 96 percent of our board membership who took the survey, all reject the possibility of war...

Votes from the Left, Right and Center, and all damned-near unanimous, for once...

God, I'm proud of this bunch, today...
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I'm for wars that make sense! This one doesn't make sense.

End of story.
 
Technically it's +1 for the nays.

I make it a policy not to vote in public polls...
 
But one can't help but notice the irony. Obama is doing the exact same things that Liberals went after Bush for. Obama is being forced to pursue policy he once as a Senator opposed, staunchly. I would wager that if he did go into Syria, some liberals here would defend that decision. I'm not sold. Liberals need to criticize Obama just as badly as Bush if he does do it.
 
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Our allies have said no.

No doubt Obama is regretting that "red line" comment.

This would be unilateral and an absolute disaster.



No, the news today says France is willing to hit them.

Syria used to be a French colony, so really, they are responsible in a way. Sort of.

Let the frogs do it, if they want to. Not us.
 
I said something similar, earlier today...

95 to 96 percent of our board membership who took the survey, all reject the possibility of war...

Votes from the Left, Right and Center, and all damned-near unanimous, for once...

God, I'm proud of this bunch, today...
animated_flag-american.gif
...
thumbs_up.gif

I voted yes.

For a variety of reasons. For one, I think it will show what an imbecile the Stuttering Clusterfukk is. And for another, killing Islamists isn't really a bad thing. They're all crazy murdering douchebags anyway.

And for another, it will make the Stuttering Clusterfukk look like the douche he is. Not to mention make him look like the hypocrite he is. And for another thing, make him look like the limp-wristed *** he is.

And for another, make the whole world laugh at him, even some of his own party (sans the cult-worshippers, of which there are plenty on this Board)

And for another thing...... Oh yeah, it will be interesting to see how the Knee Pad wearing DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM spins this one.....

I think they go with, "Well, Congress wasn't in Session, soooo...."

Or they'll simply ignore it.

I think it's a minor strike. Dead civilians will be paraded around for the Reporters, which the Reporters will dutifully ignore and the american DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM will also ignore.

And the "Congress wasn't in Session" excuse run a few times and then they ignore it until something else comes up and they'll spend all their time and energy on that..... Maybe, Miley Cyrus Twerking or something else that the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM is interested in.

What kind of scumbag votes for a scumbag like hussein obama?

Amazing
 
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Our allies have said no.

No doubt Obama is regretting that "red line" comment.

This would be unilateral and an absolute disaster.



No, the news today says France is willing to hit them.

Syria used to be a French colony, so really, they are responsible in a way. Sort of.

Let the frogs do it, if they want to. Not us.

If any EU country decides to hit Syria, you can bet Obama will use that as an excuse to follow suit.
 
WWIII is about to be postponed.
Not fitting their narrative, is it? The people are awake. Can't have that. Let's see in the next few days what other tragic crap these elitist asswipes can cook up to avert our eyes and make us want to do it...:eusa_whistle:


I know this is going to happen.......

We are so going to get propagandized, unless the big 0 decides to drop the whole thing.
 
WWIII is about to be postponed.
Not fitting their narrative, is it? The people are awake. Can't have that. Let's see in the next few days what other tragic crap these elitist asswipes can cook up to avert our eyes and make us want to do it...:eusa_whistle:


I know this is going to happen.......

We are so going to get propagandized, unless the big 0 decides to drop the whole thing.

And the just made it legal too----what a coincidence.

U.S. Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News to Americans | The Cable
 
But one can't help but notice the irony. Obama is doing the exact same things that Liberals went after Bush for. Obama is being forced to pursue policy he once as a Senator opposed, staunchly. I would wager that if he did go into Syria, some liberals here would defend that decision. I'm not sold. Liberals need to criticize Obama just as badly as Bush if he does do it.

Unfortunately, the 'Party before Country' mentality will not allow that. I'm a bit disappointed in the 'Anti-War Left.' They should be much more vocal in their opposition. I'm currently seeing a very weak somewhat muted response. They need to get it together. Their credibility is on the line.
 
But one can't help but notice the irony. Obama is doing the exact same things that Liberals went after Bush for. Obama is being forced to pursue policy he once as a Senator opposed, staunchly. I would wager that if he did go into Syria, some liberals here would defend that decision. I'm not sold. Liberals need to criticize Obama just as badly as Bush if he does do it.
Hard to do when your life is lived in the double standard.
 
But one can't help but notice the irony. Obama is doing the exact same things that Liberals went after Bush for. Obama is being forced to pursue policy he once as a Senator opposed, staunchly. I would wager that if he did go into Syria, some liberals here would defend that decision. I'm not sold. Liberals need to criticize Obama just as badly as Bush if he does do it.
Hard to do when your life is lived in the double standard.

Not hard for a sociopath....
 
WWIII is about to be postponed.
Not fitting their narrative, is it? The people are awake. Can't have that. Let's see in the next few days what other tragic crap these elitist asswipes can cook up to avert our eyes and make us want to do it...:eusa_whistle:


I know this is going to happen.......

We are so going to get propagandized, unless the big 0 decides to drop the whole thing.
He is still dragging his feet...the clock is ticking...
 
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You got a death wish for Assad? Good -- go rogue and join the resistance. CALL US when you decide who the "ben franklin" appointment that the "rebels" choose..

Let's avoid the 3rd-grade responses, I don't need to become a cop to improve crime fighting in my area, no more than i need to be a teacher to improve schools. Bring a more intelligent argument, please.



It has existed for almost a year, called the Syrian national council.



Syrian rebel leader asks Israel, US for help | The Times of Israel
FSA commander asks what are Syria's friends in the West waiting for? | The Majalla Magazine
Syrian rebels seek help waging civil war ? USATODAY.com

Think the rebels would kick the jihadis to the curb in exchange for our help??

Free Syrian army clashes with jihadists in wake of commander's assassination | World news | The Observer

READ UP AND LEARN.

What kind of blood-thirsty dupe are you? You want the US believe that a group of Ex-Patriot Syrian Eggheads who haven't seen Damascus in years and are living in Paris, Princeton, Belgium and London are IN CONTROL of this revolution??

· ABDULAHAD ASTEPHO, Assyrian Democratic Organisation, Belgium #
· ABDULBASET SIEDA, Kurdish independent, Sweden, President #
· Abdulelah Almalham, tribal leader, Saudi Arabia #
· Abdulhamid al Atassi, Damascus Declaration, Paris; National Peoples’ Party
· Abdulkarim Bakkar, “national figure”, Saudi Arabia
· Ahmad al Assi al Jarba, Independent, Saudi Arabia
· AHMAD RAMADAN, National Bloc, London; longstanding Hamas activist *
· Ahmad Sayed Yusef, Muslim Brotherhood, Jeddah *
· Anas al Abdah, Damascus Declaration; Movement for Justice and Development, UK *
· Bashal al Heraki, National Bloc, Amman, Jordan; Assistant to Imad al Din Rashid *
· BASMA KODMANI, National Bloc, Paris, spokesperson; leftwing technocrat; the only woman in the inner circle
· Bassam Ishak, “national figure”, Cairo
· BURHAN GHALIOUN, Independent, Paris #
· Geroge Sabra, Christian Independent #
· Hamza Alchamali, LCC, Germany
· Hozan Ibrahim, LCC, Hasaka (currently living in Berlin as political refugee), Kurdish
· Imaldeldin Al Racheed, National Bloc; Links to the Sourourist wing of the Muslim Brotherhood *
· Jabr Alshoufi, Damascus Declaration, Cairo
· KHALID AL HAJ SALEH, National Bloc, USA
· Khalil Al Haj Saleh, LCC, Paris
· Mohamad Bassam Yusef, Muslim Brotherhood, UK *
· MOHAMAD FARUQ TAYFUR, Muslim Brotherhood *
· Mohamad Walid, “national figure”
· Mohammed Yasser Almosadi, Muslim Brotherhood, Jeddah *
· MOTI’ AL-BATIN, National Bloc, Imam of Dera’a Mosque *
· Najib Ghadbian, National Bloc, USA; University of Arkansas, Member of National Initiative for Change
· Nazir Hakim, Muslim Brotherhood, France *
· Sadiq Jalal al Azm, “national figure”, Princeton University, USA
· Saied Lahdo, Assyrians Organisation, Netherlands #
· SAMIR NASHAR, Damascus Declaration, Istanbul; National Liberal Alliance (originally secular but now regarded by some as becoming “Islamist”)
· Serdar Murad, Kurdish Bloc, Iraq
· Wael Merza, Secretary General *
· Zouhair Salem, “national figure”

Not only that -- but the dominance of the Muslim Brotherhood in this council should worry anyone hoping for "openness" and "democracy" in their plans..

These academics and rich political refugees are NOT in control of ANYTHING. And they couldn't kick out the jihadis in exchange for foreign military aid if they all held their breath for a week..

We should run to aid these posers? And not any of the guys actually FIGHTING to depose Assad? Seems to me -- we should have learned our lesson about disposing "dictators" who keep the lid on extremists.. .
 
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"...I voted yes. For a variety of reasons..."

Indeed.

"...For one, I think it will show what an imbecile the Stuttering Clusterfukk is..."

I do not believe that it is worth risking (or losing) the life of one single young man nor woman in our Armed Forces, in order to make a political point, or to show somebody up; nor to expend costly military assets nor high-priced munitions for such political showboating; especially with no goals in mind nor eye towards victory.

"...And for another, killing Islamists isn't really a bad thing. They're all crazy murdering douchebags anyway..."

I agree, in large part, that Islamists (Militant, Radical Muslims leveraging their religion for political gain) deserve some of those appelations, but we would NOT BE TARGETING ISLAMISTS; rather, we would be targeting an Arab-Muslim ultra-conservative (damned-near totalitarian, autocratic) regime ON BEHALF OF THE ISLAMISTS, so, that's not actually a factor after all.

"...And for another, it will make the Stuttering Clusterfukk look like the douche he is. Not to mention make him look like the hypocrite he is. And for another thing, make him look like the limp-wristed *** he is. And for another, make the whole world laugh at him, even some of his own party (sans the cult-worshippers, of which there are plenty on this Board)..."

Again... see my 'I do not believe that it is worth risking..." counterpoint, above.

"...And for another thing...... Oh yeah, it will be interesting to see how the Knee Pad wearing DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM spins this one..."

Consider my "I do not believe that it is worth risking..." comment to have been copied and modified with respect to exploring reactions on the part of the media.

"...I think they go with, 'Well, Congress wasn't in Session, soooo...' Or they'll simply ignore it..."

Possibly. But The People will know better this time.

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And this is from someone (me) who could not bring himself to vote for either McSame nor Mittens, so he held his nose and voted for Obumble both times, as the lesser of two evils, on two separate occasions.

And this from someone (me) who thinks the Afghan War was Righteous, but badly bungled, and who thought that the Iraq War was Bullshit, and badly bungled, who is neither Hawk nor Dove but who knows that his beloved country is War-Weary when he goes out-and-about in the world and who knows that we should not be fighting two wars on two fronts (Afghanistan, Syria) but rather finish one, and rest up, before deciding to brawl again, unless we are up against the wall and have no other choice (and this case does not qualify in that fashion).

There is no pressing and compelling argument or case to be made, in either the Strategic nor the Tactical arenas, that drives us to intervene in the wake of so much popular opposition by such a vast and overwhelming number of our wise, thoughtful fellow citizens of all elements of the political spectrum... Left, Right and Center.

When the numbers skew that lopsidedly, I think to myself: that is the Great Wisdom of the Common Man manifesting itself with such an overwhelming voice that those stalking the Halls of Power are well-advised to heed and to take as seriously as electoral defeat.

I stand by my earlier remarks... I am proud of our people here... I was one of the earlier voters and had no idea it would turn out this way, but... I stand with the vast majority of our people here, in this important matter.
 
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I said something similar, earlier today...

95 to 96 percent of our board membership who took the survey, all reject the possibility of war...

Votes from the Left, Right and Center, and all damned-near unanimous, for once...

God, I'm proud of this bunch, today...
animated_flag-american.gif
...
thumbs_up.gif

I voted yes.

For a variety of reasons. For one, I think it will show what an imbecile the Stuttering Clusterfukk is. And for another, killing Islamists isn't really a bad thing. They're all crazy murdering douchebags anyway.

And for another, it will make the Stuttering Clusterfukk look like the douche he is. Not to mention make him look like the hypocrite he is. And for another thing, make him look like the limp-wristed *** he is.

And for another, make the whole world laugh at him, even some of his own party (sans the cult-worshippers, of which there are plenty on this Board)

And for another thing...... Oh yeah, it will be interesting to see how the Knee Pad wearing DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM spins this one.....

I think they go with, "Well, Congress wasn't in Session, soooo...."

Or they'll simply ignore it.

I think it's a minor strike. Dead civilians will be paraded around for the Reporters, which the Reporters will dutifully ignore and the american DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM will also ignore.

And the "Congress wasn't in Session" excuse run a few times and then they ignore it until something else comes up and they'll spend all their time and energy on that..... Maybe, Miley Cyrus Twerking or something else that the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM is interested in.

What kind of scumbag votes for a scumbag like hussein obama?

Amazing
I always love a cumbayah moment...but what is proposed is not war...so voting no on war does not mean we should not drop a dime on Assad.
 
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