Want ONE simple law to help curb mass-shootings?

[Jarlaxle]

And if you sell your car to some clown who later drives drunk and kills someone, the victim's family should be able to sue YOU for millions in damages, right???

Pretty dumb response (as always)......Name another manufacturer...beside gun ones......who CANNOT be sued by consumers?

"No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings."

I recall that was passed because the alternative was NO vaccines being available...companies simply would not produce them for liability reasons.

 

[nat4900]

Eh, shouldn't putting the guy who ripped that little kid into 14 pieces with his Bushmaster on death row do the trick?

Well, you could prop up the lifeless body of Lanza against a wall and have every parent take a shot

 

[Vigilante]

 

[my2¢]

I never owned a gun, have never had interest in them but I did make a modest amount of dough in shares of Ruger. I suspect with the advent of 3D printers that in not too distant future one will be able to download software and build for themselves a decent weapon. For all I know we may be there now.... or I might be all wet. But until somebody sets me straight my thought is more towards a needed attitude adjustment in people themselves rather than legislation solving the issue.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Eh, shouldn't putting the guy who ripped that little kid into 14 pieces with his Bushmaster on death row do the trick?

Well, you could prop up the lifeless body of Lanza against a wall and have every parent take a shot

Fair enough.

 

[nat4900]

One last parting thought for this thread (I think we've exhausted the topic) .....

I knew darn well that my original suggestion would evoke all sorts of derision from right wingers, BUT we can't go on with these incidents of mass murders and simply shrug and (as Jeb Bush stated...paraphrased), "Well, shit happens,"

 

[2aguy]

One last parting thought for this thread (I think we've exhausted the topic) .....

I knew darn well that my original suggestion would evoke all sorts of derision from right wingers, BUT we can't go on with these incidents of mass murders and simply shrug and (as Jeb Bush stated...paraphrased), "Well, shit happens,"

You know....mass shootings get media attention because the press hates guns as much as any other anti gun extremist does...this puts the perspective on the issue...mass shootings...not a problem...

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

How many deaths from mass shootings by year... according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369
Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 100 deaths by criminals.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 12.8 million.

 

[2aguy]

There were a total of 9 deaths by mass shooters in 2014...according to Mother Jones.......9. And for that you want extreme gun control....

This is why anti gun extremists need mass shootings....because it gets media attention that they can't get from inner city minorities shooting each other.....

for a grand total of 9 deaths...they get 24/7 news coverage, they get parents on camera calling for more gun control.....one death in a mass shooting is gold to the anti gun extremists......

And the size of the problem...tiny.......tiny.....

Again...number of deaths from mass shooters each year back to 1982.....from anti gun, left wing Mother Jones...

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

And accidental deaths the anti gunners could care less about...

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369
Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

 

[Obiwan]

One last parting thought for this thread (I think we've exhausted the topic) .....

I knew darn well that my original suggestion would evoke all sorts of derision from right wingers, BUT we can't go on with these incidents of mass murders and simply shrug and (as Jeb Bush stated...paraphrased), "Well, shit happens,"

 

[2aguy]

Do you think most Americans know how few peole are killed by mass shooters......and if they did, would they be as concerned as they are in their ignorance of the truth?

 

[HUGGY]

Sandy Hook could have been prevented if the dude's mom hadn't enabled her mentally ill son. She hid the fact that her boy was extremely hateful and armed. She in fact supplied him with some of the weapons and weapons training. If she wasn't dead by the hand of her son she would have been prosecuted for her extreme negligence. There was a heaping pile of crazy in THAT household. Sandy Hook COULD have been prevented. The mom was responsible. Her son was responsible. There were probably mental health people that had a strong inkling that there was a time bomb about to go off.

The Colorado movie theater shooting could have been prevented if as it seems SEVERAL people saw the shooter as very dangerous including mental health people. This guy was no secret.

The Oregon shooter didn't live in a vacuum either. His parents knew something was very wrong with him. They kept this to themselves.

We can't expect insane people to turn themselves in but we can expect MORE from those close to them.

Aside from the fact that "the carnage" is actually very rare it is HIGHLY publicized. I wish the media would ask the public to be more vigilant in noticing when people within their lives that are armed and not playing with a full deck. I don't recall any previous police involvement in the lives of the three above examples. I keep seeing that there was NO police involvement. WHO'S fault is that? Obviously those closest to the three people listed have SOME responsibility. Obviously none of them are going to come forward and apologize that they did nothing.

Even IF more people are MORE vigilant and turn in people for questioning and/or some closer observation that have made threats or are going through very difficult times and have weapons there is no guarantee that a very few will not slip through the cracks.

If we take away the Sandy Hook incident and the Batman killer in Colorado and others where there definitely was actionable intelligence to get authorities involved there are really very few of these occurrences. Certainly not enough of them to label the number as a lot of "carnage".

You raised some great points here. I can't really fault the families of the shooters too much because they are not mental health professionals and let's face it, they aren't going to turn in their family members. That said, mental health is even harder to identify/diagnose than physical health. If someone is acting out of character, does it mean they are suddenly going to shoot up a school? Probably not, but in the rare instances they do turn this violent, it usually ends in tragedy. There are patterns at work here & those can be used to built profiles. Granted, we cannot cry wolf every time someone has a bad day, but enough red flags exist which provide important clues along the way. Vigilance is key as well as collecting data which provides clues.

Maybe it was harder to be alarmed at "just some strange behavior" in the past but NOW with the bad results we get from the few that go way over the edge and commit these heinous acts of violence being shown in graphic detail by the media maybe the public will be better informed on what to look for.

I would hope that any parent or someone close to one of these wackos would rather err on the safe side and possibly prevent one of these incidents than live with the guilt of having done nothing.

 

[2aguy]

Guys...this is the truth and reality of the Mass Shooting problem....it isnt a big problem....this is from Mother Jones....anti gun, anti NRA....and here is what they found...


I add perspective on mass shootings by adding the CDC numbers....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369
Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 100 deaths by criminals.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 12.8 million.

 

[OKTexas]

Do you want that gun manufactures to have all the personal and medical information required to make the decisions you want them to make? It's a simple yes/no question.

ABSOLUTELY !!!!!

But 2 minor caveats.....

1. That info. should be up to the dealers and sellers of guns....Who, when the job gets a bit more cumbersome, would stop buying as many guns from the manufacturers.

2. I presume that by "medical" info. you mean psychological info......Not whether someone has had hemorrhoids removed......AND when you say personal info, that would depend on who the hell is drawing up that vitae......For example, were I doing the "personal" background check, NONE of you right wingers would ever get more than a BB gun.

NO, no caveats, if you're going to give them absolute liability, they need absolute authority to see anything and everything they deem necessary to protect themselves. You gonna go for that?

 

[TemplarKormac]

One last parting thought for this thread (I think we've exhausted the topic) .....

I knew darn well that my original suggestion would evoke all sorts of derision from right wingers, BUT we can't go on with these incidents of mass murders and simply shrug and (as Jeb Bush stated...paraphrased), "Well, shit happens,"

What Bush said was tasteless. What you need to understand is that evil resides in the hearts of men and not in inanimate objects.

If I bashed your head in with a brick, that doesn't make the brick evil, it makes me evil. Same with guns.

Besides, our politicians do more harm to America with pens than any mass murderer with a gun could.

 

[Little-Acorn]

....Of course the NRA didn't pass the law.......A BRIBED congress did AFTER the NRA told them waht to do....

It's good to know that little nat4900 doesn't want laws that were passed by a BRIBED Congress.

When can we expect him to start castigating Congress for passing Obamacare after the Democrats poured pork into so many Dem legislators' districts?

(Not holding my breath...)

Little nat4900 is lying to us again. He's not interested in whether Congress was bribed. He's just trying to bash conservatives yet again, using any excuse he can gin up and pretend he cares about.

 

[Avatar4321]

Well, right wingers.....You should be proud of your contributions to this thread..

You've admitted that you have NO ideas on how to stop the carnage which is UNIQUE to this country (American "exceptional-ism", right?)

You have shown your abject stupidity when you state that if one is against the very loose practices that anyone can own a gun......then one must be "defending" the murderers.

...and you have shown that you rather protect gun manufacturers (who fund more than 50% of the NRA budget) than defending those babies in Newtown (and, according, to the illustrious Ben Carson, those 7 year old should "have rushed the gunman")

You haven't asked for solutions. You demanded people not be allowed their right to defend themselves and told us to punish people who didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Avatar4321]

Actually, we should always follow what lobbyists push (aka, BRIBE) congress to do (and in some instance, NOT to do) when searching for legislation to curb an abuse of the common welfare and good.

Regarding mass murders, we know that gun manufacturers (and their bought puppet, the NRA) fought and won the right to NOT be sued for the misuse of their deadly products.

If we wanted to make a substantial dent with mass shootings (almost impossible to eliminate without reversing the Constitution's 2nd amendment) pass a law that gun manufacturers AND gun vendors can be sued when their product is sold WITHOUT a thorough background and psychological clean bill of health.

And if you sell your car to some clown who later drives drunk and kills someone, the victim's family should be able to sue YOU for millions in damages, right???

Except cars are for driving and guns are for killing.

Which means it makes even less sense to sue a gun manufacturer for designing a product that does what it was intended to do.

Try that circular logic shit on someone else. That shit wont fly here.

Nothing circular about it. Manufacturers are liable when their products dont work the way they are supposed to while using them correctly. Like if you are driving a car and it randomly explodes or it doesn't brake because of a design flaw, the manufacturers are liable.

When a product works as it's designed to do and people, through their intentional or negligent acts use the products to cause harm a manufacturer cannot be held liable because the products are working as designed.

Guns that shoot are doing what they were designed to do. They are a tool for self defense and hunting. If someone kills another person using a tool that works correctly they aren't liable. If someone runs another over with a car, it's not the cars design that is the problem, it's the killers negligent/intentional behavior.

Likewise with firearms if the gun shoots properly they are not liable. The killer is.if the gun is designed badly and it explodes or something instead of shooting bullets then yeah there is a design flaw. But you can't sue a manufacturer for product that works as it is intended

 

[Avatar4321]

I see where they sold advertising space...


Missed where they made one dime from gun sales in your rant.

Fine........Stay stupid...I don't give a shit if you're a perpetual moron

Why should we expect you to care whether anyone else stays a perpetual moron? You dont care whether you stay one.

And until you address yourself you aren't qualified to determine who else is

 

[ClosedCaption]

Actually, we should always follow what lobbyists push (aka, BRIBE) congress to do (and in some instance, NOT to do) when searching for legislation to curb an abuse of the common welfare and good.

Regarding mass murders, we know that gun manufacturers (and their bought puppet, the NRA) fought and won the right to NOT be sued for the misuse of their deadly products.

If we wanted to make a substantial dent with mass shootings (almost impossible to eliminate without reversing the Constitution's 2nd amendment) pass a law that gun manufacturers AND gun vendors can be sued when their product is sold WITHOUT a thorough background and psychological clean bill of health.

And if you sell your car to some clown who later drives drunk and kills someone, the victim's family should be able to sue YOU for millions in damages, right???

Except cars are for driving and guns are for killing.

Which means it makes even less sense to sue a gun manufacturer for designing a product that does what it was intended to do.

Try that circular logic shit on someone else. That shit wont fly here.

Nothing circular about it. Manufacturers are liable when their products dont work the way they are supposed to while using them correctly. Like if you are driving a car and it randomly explodes or it doesn't brake because of a design flaw, the manufacturers are liable.

When a product works as it's designed to do and people, through their intentional or negligent acts use the products to cause harm a manufacturer cannot be held liable because the products are working as designed.

Guns that shoot are doing what they were designed to do. They are a tool for self defense and hunting. If someone kills another person using a tool that works correctly they aren't liable. If someone runs another over with a car, it's not the cars design that is the problem, it's the killers negligent/intentional behavior.

Likewise with firearms if the gun shoots properly they are not liable. The killer is.if the gun is designed badly and it explodes or something instead of shooting bullets then yeah there is a design flaw. But you can't sue a manufacturer for product that works as it is intended

And thats why comparing cars killing to guns killing is stupid, thanks

 

[M14 Shooter]

Even IF more people are MORE vigilant and turn in people for questioning and/or some closer observation that have made threats or are going through very difficult times and have weapons there is no guarantee that a very few will not slip through the cracks.

If we take away the Sandy Hook incident and the Batman killer in Colorado and others where there definitely was actionable intelligence to get authorities involved there are really very few of these occurrences. Certainly not enough of them to label the number as a lot of "carnage".

I actually agree and thank you for the sane contribution void of the same old name-calling. I used the label "carnage" mostly regarding the 21 children at Newtown who were torn apart by the barrage of bullets from that crazed-bastard, Lanza.

Foe which there is no sound argument as to the liability of Bushmaster.