Walter Cronkite's Ridiculous Spin on the 1968 Tet Offensive in South Vietnam

[Soupnazi630]

North Vietnam did not impose anything nearly 80% of the Vietnamese wanted.

80# wanted no such thing.

It was imposed through conquuest that is fact

You do not give others what they want byu invading torturing and murdering them in mass

 

[Soupnazi630]

Thank's that is the info i have posted several times about Vietnam and just couldn't be bothered educating the ignorant again.

And as i pointed out it is irrelevant.

It does not justify military conquest which minh and giap commited to

 

[Deadstick]

80# wanted no such thing.

It was imposed through conquuest that is fact

You do not give others what they want byu invading torturing and murdering them in mass

So you ignored the Geneva deal for elections just like the Southern puppets and the US did and refused to take part, that,s why Ho had no choice but war to liberate Vietnam and that is what happend.

 

[Hector12]

80# wanted no such thing.

It was imposed through conquuest that is fact

You do not give others what they want byu invading torturing and murdering them in mass

I have posted this before in this thread. Read it this time.

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This page from President Eisenhower's Memoires, Mandate for Change, page 372, shows that he believed Ho Chi Minh would have won any free election in Vietnam in 1954. This is certainly why the U.S. did not permit such an election, though the Geneva Convention of 1954 required it.

I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, possibly 80 per cent of the populations would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader rather than Chief of State Bao Dai. Indeed, the lack of readership and drive on the part of Bao Dai was a factor in the feeling prevalent among Vietnamese that they had nothing to fight for. As one Frenchman said to me, 'What Vietnam needs is another Syngman Rhee, regardless of all the difficulties the presence of such a personality would entail.'

In the earlier stages of the conflict, the fighting was mostly conducted where rough terrain made it impossible to seek out the enemy and bring him to a pitched battle. Later, even when the battle lines became so located that the grouses mobiles could be effective, there still existed within the Red River Delta a condition in which the French could control even the main roads for only about two or three hours a day. The rest of the time all lines of communication were in the hands of the Vietminh. This meant that the mass of the population supported the enemy. With such a feeling prevalent, it was inevitable that the French should find it impossible to retain the loyalty of their Vietnamese troops." (emphasis added - GF)

Selection from Eisenhower's Memoires

 

[Hector12]

Thank's that is the info i have posted several times about Vietnam and just couldn't be bothered educating the ignorant again.

It is tiresome to keep trying to push facts into closed and narrow minds, but someone has to do it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I have posted this before in this thread. Read it this time.

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This page from President Eisenhower's Memoires, Mandate for Change, page 372, shows that he believed Ho Chi Minh would have won any free election in Vietnam in 1954. This is certainly why the U.S. did not permit such an election, though the Geneva Convention of 1954 required it.

Selection from Eisenhower's Memoires

yes you have posted it before'

You willfully ignore fact

It was not a definitive conclusive fact it was a BELIEF as it clearly states

 

[Soupnazi630]

It is tiresome to keep trying to push facts into closed and narrow minds, but someone has to do it.

That is because you have not pushed any facts you have pushed ignorant beliefs

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

North Vietnam was safe from invasion because out intel could not estimate carefully enough if Mao's cultural revolution had weakened China so much that it could not help North Vietnam if it has been invaded by the US/SVN troops.

The point here is that as long as country has a sanctuary (as the English colonists had in the interior versus Great Britain) it can wage war as long as the people will support it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

So you ignored the Geneva deal for elections just like the Southern puppets and the US did and refused to take part, that,s why Ho had no choice but war to liberate Vietnam and that is what happend.

Minh ignired it

The US had no part to take moron

The us was not meant to hold elections the Vietnamese were to hold it on their own.

 

[Robert W]

According to Eisenhower, Ho Chi Minh would have won a fair election by a blowout.

IT is sad to learn we still have huge fans of Ho Chi Minh.

 

[Hector12]

IT is sad to learn we still have huge fans of Ho Chi Minh.

What is sad is that there are still Americans who think the War in Vietnam was justified.

 

[Deadstick]

Minh ignired it

The US had no part to take moron

The us was not meant to hold elections the Vietnamese were to hold it on their own.

Ho ignored nothing moron, the Southern puppets and their US handlers did because the knew they would lose.

 

[Robert W]

What is sad is that there are still Americans who think the War in Vietnam was justified.

You think Ho Chi Minh was justified.

 

[Deadstick]

What is sad is that there are still Americans who think the War in Vietnam was justified.

I know, it's quite incredible, it comes down to arrogance that the US can never be wrong about anything, it takes a bigger man to admit they got it wrong, sad to say they still have the same arrogance with all the illegal wars they have been involved in since Vietnam and all the horror inflicted on the World to this day.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You think Ho Chi Minh was justified.

I don't think he was at all, but the NV leadership just waxed us.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I know, it's quite incredible, it comes down to arrogance that the US can never be wrong about anything, it takes a bigger man to admit they got it wrong, sad to say they still have the same arrogance with all the illegal wars they have been involved in since Vietnam and all the horror inflicted on the World to this day.

You are describing Putin's tremendous flaws in character.

 

[Robert W]

but the NV leadership just waxed us.

Actually we left Vietnam 2 years prior to them waxing the South Vietnamese.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Actually we left Vietnam 2 years prior to them waxing the South Vietnamese.

Sure, we beat them tactically, but we faltered operationally and failed in propaganda.

They waxed us.

 

[Robert W]

Sure, we beat them tactically, but we faltered operationally and failed in propaganda.

They waxed us.

We were gone I told you. For 2 years we were home. When did North Vietnam wax us at our country?

 

[Hector12]

We were gone I told you. For 2 years we were home. When did North Vietnam wax us at our country?

An even better question is: When did North Vietnam threaten us in any way?