VMT tax hidden in infrastructure bill

IOW, you like where you live, other people like where they live. You choose to live in the city, they choose to live in the suburbs. You interact with your neighbors, they interact with theirs. You mock them, they mock you. That's how it goes. Isn't freedom awesome?

There is nothing superior about living in a city, which is why people who want something different find it elsewhere. And here's a shocker for you, other people choose to live in the country where they can step out on their back porch and hear nothing but crickets and frogs, where they don't worry about Nosy Nellie, the HOA president, yammering about what the color of their fence or that they have a gun to keep predators away.

Again, isn't freedom awesome? No one has to listen to you telling them how they should live and no one has to care what you think about their choices.
Like I said, suburban sprawl is dehumanizing and isolating.

I like living in the country too. I've done that. Being close to nature has great benefits. There's no nature in suburban sprawl.
 
That goes along with what I've been saying for a long time. The fastest way to true income tax reform is two fold:

1. Eliminate payroll tax withholding. Everyone writes a check to Uncle Sam when taxes are due.
2. Taxes are due the day before the election.

Make taxes visible and people react. Make them invisible and people think they're not paying them.

Sure. When the transportation industry got hit hard with green costs, they simply passed it on to us, the consumers. Before the mandate for lower sulfur diesel fuel, diesel fuel was about a buck less per gallon than gasoline. After it passed, it was around a buck more per gallon than gasoline. We passed those costs to our customers, and they passed it on to us consumers. But I bet if you ask 100 people, perhaps one will know anything about it.
 
The part I can't figure out is why they never have anything to say when the gov't. wastes half of what they confiscate on bs like transgender studies in Pakistan.

Or 50 million to the Kennedy Center, or 30 million to the arts, or 10 million to preserve native American language, or................
 
Like I said, suburban sprawl is dehumanizing and isolating.

I like living in the country too. I've done that. Being close to nature has great benefits. There's no nature in suburban sprawl.
Some people like being away from the obvious problems of the city, but not being so far out as to be dependent on themselves. IOW, they like not hearing the sounds of gunshots and sirens every day and wading through throngs of people just to get to a store, then worrying about someone sticking a knife in their back as they walk home, but also don't want to face a rabid racoon when they walk out the back door. IOW, they like it and don't care that you don't.
 
Both Democrats and Republicans agree, Americans need to pay more for being on the road. It is not good enough that taxes on gas have skyrocketed. It is not even good enough that the cost of vehicles have skyrocketed.

No, both parties are out to bleed you even more by taxing how many miles you drive.

When both parties come together to agree on something, be very afraid, and this is no exception.

Americans don't have representatives, they have task masters.

This thread's bullshit smells as bad as your previous identical thread.
 
I'm a progressive and this is NOT a progressive tax, however, I like it since, as a suburbanite I don't drive nearly what a rural person would drive and they should pay for that use. If they want to live far from everyone they should pay more for their road, electricity, etc.

Wow, and what do you feel would be the impact on everything you buy. Progressive or not, you're dumb as a rock.
 
Some people like being away from the obvious problems of the city, but not being so far out as to be dependent on themselves. IOW, they like not hearing the sounds of gunshots and sirens every day and wading through throngs of people just to get to a store, then worrying about someone sticking a knife in their back as they walk home, but also don't want to face a rabid racoon when they walk out the back door. IOW, they like it and don't care that you don't.
LOL, you guys have ridiculous impressions of what it's like to live in the city.
 
Joe Dufus lied to these stupid uneducated Moon Bats when he told their sorry asses that he wasn't going to raise taxes on anybody making less than $450K a year. Those dumbshits believed him.
 
Both Democrats and Republicans agree, Americans need to pay more for being on the road. It is not good enough that taxes on gas have skyrocketed. It is not even good enough that the cost of vehicles have skyrocketed.

No, both parties are out to bleed you even more by taxing how many miles you drive.

When both parties come together to agree on something, be very afraid, and this is no exception.

Americans don't have representatives, they have task masters.

Meanwhile back in reality....

The tax on gasoline has not "skyrocketed" since like 1995 or so:

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The price of cars has though.
 
LOL, you guys have ridiculous impressions of what it's like to live in the city.
Just like you have ridiculous impressions of what it's like to live in the suburbs. Face it, people like different things and don't care if you like it or not. That's the point.
 
There are enormous taxes on anything to do with driving. A lot of the resources collected do not go to the roads. It goes into general funds of the governing agencies. Corruption runs amok on anything with tolls like bridges and roads. Port authorities can have a hundred vice presidents with pure patronage and they get into the business of building their versions of utopia while the guy who crosses the bridge pays exorbitant fees. Untold billions of dollars have been spent to ignite growth in poor areas and cities. With very little success or none. The Delaware River Port Authority as one example, built the Commodore Barry Bridge and was involved with the construction of a Major League Soccer Stadium in Chester, Pa. An article a couple years ago reported that these things and many others has done nothing for the city to become a growth magnate. We keep blowing money down the drain. Center City Orlando does the same thing with a neighborhood called Paramore. Billions and billions of dollars on stadiums and monopoly and city service buildings with the residents not caring a bit.
Read the fucking article... This was about research in to pilot projects...

I am surprised that the righties are getting there knickers in a twist... This is basically pay as you go, more you use the more you pay... If you don't use the road, you don't pay... This is exactly what conservatives are about.,..

Or is this just about mud slinging at Biden...
 
Why do libs always romanticize about socialist europe, public transit, trains, and herding people?
Paying for road usage by the mile is as conservative as it gets...

Toll roads are all over Europe...

Biden is being quite smart here... He is getting the tech developed so the Conservatives have no excuse...
 
As the article points out, people with electric cars will now have to pay "their fair share" and it may discourage electric car purchases in the future.

All in all I think it's a good thing. They slip these taxes into everything we buy and we don't even realize we're paying for them. If you get a mileage tax every quarter, half, or even when you pay your taxes for the year, it's money coming right out of your pocket. Nothing is hidden. Write the check to the US federal government.
On one condition... The real cost of the energy is included...
Oil: Pollution, Carbon, Securing access, wars... These are costs...
Nuclear: Waste
Solar: Recycling

So if someone wants to pay there fair share then lets do it right..
 
On last night's TV news I saw a sound bite of President Biden asserting his infrastructure plan would not increase the tax on anyone earning less than $400k / year.
Biden isn't introducing a tax... State or Local can access a grant if they want to...
 
Just like you have ridiculous impressions of what it's like to live in the suburbs. Face it, people like different things and don't care if you like it or not. That's the point.
I disagree. Their communities aren't walkable. Commercial space consists of strip malls and shopping centers, kept well outside of walkability. Car travel is essential.
 
So if someone wants to pay there fair share then lets do it right..

All those costs are intrinsic in the prices we pay for fuel so everybody does pay them. However, if you have an electric car, you don't pay road taxes because road taxes are collected though gasoline. It's time they pay their fair share. After all, we taxpayers already subsidized their toy car so it could be affordable for them to buy from the start.
 
I am surprised that the righties are getting there knickers in a twist... This is basically pay as you go, more you use the more you pay... If you don't use the road, you don't pay.

Sure you pay, just not directly. You get your packages delivered. You have to go to various stores. Even public transportation pays road taxes.
 
Sure. When the transportation industry got hit hard with green costs, they simply passed it on to us, the consumers. Before the mandate for lower sulfur diesel fuel, diesel fuel was about a buck less per gallon than gasoline. After it passed, it was around a buck more per gallon than gasoline. We passed those costs to our customers, and they passed it on to us consumers. But I bet if you ask 100 people, perhaps one will know anything about it.
So are you suggesting that we should allow companies to produce high sulphur Diesel....

Do you know the cost high sulpher diesel cost Americans?


Are you from the personal responsibility party?
 

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