Vaccines vs Ivermectin

[Rigby5]

Wrong.
You obviously did not read the article.
The headline says India may have had 10 times as many covid deaths than reported, but the article says many of those are suicides, malnutrition, or other deaths related to the panic, not the actual virus infection.
And the accuracy failure by the government was due to population dislocation and was more like only 20% off, not a factor of 10.
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Dr. Aniket Sirohi, a municipal health official in south Delhi, told NPR he counted 702 deaths on a day in mid-April and passed those numbers up the chain of command. But the death figures the government has published for his region have been at least 20% lower than what he's seeing on the ground, he said.
...}

 

[Weatherman2020]

Could be a million reasons including vaccination or lockdown or herd immunity from the massive surge of infections.

An ecological fallacy is assuming two things are related simply because they happen at the same time.

“Conclusions: Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin.”

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines - PubMed

Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The 74 million trump Nazis should regularly be encouraged to avoid all vaccines and other measures recommended by medical and scientific professionals to control the spread of COVID-19.

Also, trump Nazis must be reminded to ignore all reports regarding spikes in the cases and deaths caused by COVID-19 in red states, and red counties in blue states.

Additionally, trump Nazis that contract COVID-19 must resist all efforts by friends and loved ones to force them to seek medical care. Use your rapid return to perfect health, in the same manner as your cheeto-in-chief, to prove he was correct about COVID-19 being harmless.

The trump Nazis must never accept any COVID-19 information that contradicts any statement by anyone loyal to the cheeto-in-chief. And by all means, get ahold of as much Ivermectin as you can, share it with friends.



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When did you egghead's become so antiscience?

 

[Rigby5]

Could be a million reasons including vaccination or lockdown or herd immunity from the massive surge of infections.

An ecological fallacy is assuming two things are related simply because they happen at the same time.

Wrong.
Its not just India, but everywhere except the US.
And India is not vaccinating, locked down, or close to herd immunity as much as the US.

 

[candycorn]

Is that why India has so few cases while Biden has the virus spiking in the US?

India has few cases? That "reality" only exists in Conservistan.

 

[colfax_m]

“Conclusions: Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin.”

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines - PubMed

Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yeah, read it. It's a metaanalysis of multiple small, poor quality trials. The total number of events is 18 to 64.

Oh, and the LARGEST trial with the most events (a third of the events in the control group) was withdrawn due to errors and plagiarism. So when you exclude that trial, the effect disappears.

Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ethical concerns

The preprint endorsing ivermectin as a coronavirus therapy has been widely cited, but independent researchers find glaring discrepancies in the data

www.theguardian.com

 

[Weatherman2020]

The 74 million trump Nazis should regularly be encouraged to avoid all vaccines and other measures recommended by medical and scientific professionals to control the spread of COVID-19.

Also, trump Nazis must be reminded to ignore all reports regarding spikes in the cases and deaths caused by COVID-19 in red states, and red counties in blue states.

Additionally, trump Nazis that contract COVID-19 must resist all efforts by friends and loved ones to force them to seek medical care. Use your rapid return to perfect health, in the same manner as your cheeto-in-chief, to prove he was correct about COVID-19 being harmless.

The trump Nazis must never accept any COVID-19 information that contradicts any statement by anyone loyal to the cheeto-in-chief. And by all means, get ahold of as much Ivermectin as you can, share it with friends.



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Role of ivermectin in the prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers in India: A matched case-control study​

“Conclusion: Two-dose ivermectin prophylaxis at a dose of 300 μg/kg with a gap of 72 hours was associated with a 73% reduction of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers for the following month.

Role of ivermectin in the prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers in India: A matched case-control study - PubMed

Two-dose ivermectin prophylaxis at a dose of 300 μg/kg with a gap of 72 hours was associated with a 73% reduction of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers for the following month. Chemoprophylaxis has relevance in the containment of pandemic.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Weatherman2020]

When did you egghead's become so antiscience?

They think humans can change sex on a whim.

 

[TNHarley]

It’s probably based on some misconception you have. Feel free to explain it or just keep moving along. Either way, clinical trials have always mattered.

ok

 

[Burgermeister]

When did you egghead's become so antiscience?

I think it became really obvious with the global warming thing, but Marxists/liberals have always proclaimed allegiance to science but really only align with actual science that suits them and happily promote things as science when they aren't if it suits them. Related to the ends justifies the means underpinnings of liberalism.

 

[Rigby5]

India has few cases? That "reality" only exists in Conservistan.

India has had 443,960 deaths for a population of 7.8 billion.
The US has had 660,000 deaths for a population of only 330 million.

That is over 20 times the population, but 2/3rds the deaths.

 

[marvin martian]

You fools realize that Ivermectin has been in use for other RNA virus for decades. That Pfizer is developing a "new" every day COVID pill that is just the protease inhibitor similar to what's in Ivermectin. The difference being that they can patent that pill and charge 10X what Ivermectin costs. Im sure you'll be on the bandwagon for that pill though right??? I mean as long as some politician you don't like doesn't advocate for it that is.

Those countries deployed Ivermectin because it's safe, cheap, readily available and has known antiviral qualities.

You would think that people who believe COVID is the end of world would welcome any therapeutic that was safe, cheap, readily available and has shown an ability to help people get over COVID as well as act as a prophylactic. Ivermectin, Vit D, C and Zinc are all low hanging fruit that have shown to help your body fight COVID, but we must denigrate them because they aren't narrative someone is pushing .

But look at the dumb Wehrmacht goons like DrLove and Lesh goose-stepping around shouting "hOrsE dEworMeR!"

 

[colfax_m]

Wrong.
Its not just India, but everywhere except the US.
And India is not vaccinating, locked down, or close to herd immunity as much as the US.

How do you know it's not close to herd immunity?

I thought you said this is exactly how you get over COVID. You let it rip through a population quickly. That's exactly what happened in India.

It's also what gave us delta.

 

[Couchpotato]

India has had 443,960 deaths for a population of 7.8 billion.
The US has had 660,000 deaths for a population of only 330 million.

That is over 20 times the population, but 2/3rds the deaths.

I could be wrong but there's basically no way India's population is 7.8 billion.

 

[theHawk]

Slovakia just approved Ivermectin to treat the ChiCom Flu, and here’s why:

It works.

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India is using ivermectin as well, and it’s working.

 

[Couchpotato]

How do you know it's not close to herd immunity?

I thought you said this is exactly how you get over COVID. You let it rip through a population quickly. That's exactly what happened in India.

It's also what gave us delta.

Delta was going to happen with or without the vaccine. Injecting a narrowly focused vaccine into an active pandemic where variants already exist is what drives the rise of variants that are more highly infectious and can defeat the vaccine.

 

[marvin martian]

India is using ivermectin as well, and it’s working.

Yet we still have to listen to the goose-stepping Ivermectin truthers like Lesh and DrLove screeching about "hOrsE dEworMeR!" LOL

 

[colfax_m]

Delta was going to happen with or without the vaccine. Injecting a narrowly focused vaccine into an active pandemic where variants already exist is what drives the rise of variants that are more highly infectious and can defeat the vaccine.

Delta did not happen with the vaccine. It definitely happened without it.

 

[Lesh]

Yet we still have to listen to the goose-stepping Ivermectin truthers like Lesh and DrLove screeching about "hOrsE dEworMeR!" LOL

Awwww. You have the sadz?

 

[Rigby5]

How do you know it's not close to herd immunity?

I thought you said this is exactly how you get over COVID. You let it rip through a population quickly. That's exactly what happened in India.

It's also what gave us delta.

We know India is no where herd immunity because they only have 33 million cases, out of a population of 7.8 billion.
You need over 70% for herd immunity.

And NO, I NEVER said to "let it rip through a population".
That would ensure the vulnerable would get infected and die.
The only difference would be they would die sooner than with "flattening the curve".
What I am pushing is variolation, where you deliberately infect healthy volunteers, so you can reduce the deaths by a factor of 400.
When you deliberately infect, you know exactly who and when to quarantine the smallest number of people possible, for the shortest time.