US warships head for South China Sea after standoff

[Freemason]

A potential conflict was brewing last night in the South China Sea after President Obama dispatched heavily armed American destroyers to the scene of a naval standoff between the US and China at the weekend.

US warships head for South China Sea after standoff - Times Online


Warships be darn. All China has to do is call in the loans they have made to America to bring her to her knees.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

A potential conflict was brewing last night in the South China Sea after President Obama dispatched heavily armed American destroyers to the scene of a naval standoff between the US and China at the weekend.

US warships head for South China Sea after standoff - Times Online


Warships be darn. All China has to do is call in the loans they have made to America to bring her to her knees.

Doesn't work that way. Never has and never will. China can not call in the loans legally and even if they tried we would just refuse to pay. They would lose all the assets they carry on the loans and principle and we would probably manage to convince the rest of the world we had no choice.

Countries do not loan money thinking they can control other Governments, they do it to get and keep preferential trade partnerships. Why? Because the loaner knows if he pushes to hard he loses his capital and his interest. BUT pushing for preferred trade is easy to accomplish and does not threaten the country it is demanded of.

 

[Godboy]

Interesting story.

China has got nerve to complain about the US spying, when just about every piece of technology they have was stolen from the US.

 

[Freemason]

A potential conflict was brewing last night in the South China Sea after President Obama dispatched heavily armed American destroyers to the scene of a naval standoff between the US and China at the weekend.

US warships head for South China Sea after standoff - Times Online


Warships be darn. All China has to do is call in the loans they have made to America to bring her to her knees.

Doesn't work that way. Never has and never will. China can not call in the loans legally and even if they tried we would just refuse to pay. They would lose all the assets they carry on the loans and principle and we would probably manage to convince the rest of the world we had no choice.

Countries do not loan money thinking they can control other Governments, they do it to get and keep preferential trade partnerships. Why? Because the loaner knows if he pushes to hard he loses his capital and his interest. BUT pushing for preferred trade is easy to accomplish and does not threaten the country it is demanded of.

Your comments might be true Marine, however if your remarks were to happen and China did as you say they wouldn't and America said sorry the world you mentioned would suffer a great deal. China imo...would just take that with an smile.

 

[mightypeon]

Actually, since the US technology lead has decreased a lot (it is still there in aviation, but not in industrial sector things), they now prefer to be stealing from countries like Germany and Japan.

 

[Xenophon]

Did China have to loan us the money to pay for them going there?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Obama's making enemies out of the rest of the world.... They hate us now.

 

[Toome]

The Chinese are testing the new President, that's all. They tried it once with Bush and backed off. Now we have a President who goes on the record implying that the US will cave in to terrorism by bringing terrorists to the negotiations table as equals. How can the Chinese resist the temptation to see where else the new President will cave in?

 

[editec]

Did China have to loan us the money to pay for them going there?

SPOT ON!

The pernicious effects of our foolish FREE TRADE policies are coming home to roost and our enormous trade imbalances are befouling the cozy superpower nest that once was the nest-egg of our foreign policy.

The GOLDEN RULE is in effect.

Nice work, neocons.

You couldn't think past your own greed long enough to understand that you were destroying the economic foundation from whence our international power rested.

OR...

was that you purpose all along?

 

[Lycurgus]

And of course only the neocons did this!

 

[Munin]

The Chinese are testing the new President, that's all. They tried it once with Bush and backed off. Now we have a President who goes on the record implying that the US will cave in to terrorism by bringing terrorists to the negotiations table as equals. How can the Chinese resist the temptation to see where else the new President will cave in?

No, China did not back down: China took sensitive equipment out of the plane. The US was weak: it was an embaressment for the US, China obviously had the upper hand in this situation.

CNN.com - Sources: Chinese board U.S. spy plane, remove equipment - April 3, 2001

Bush was weak, Obama reacted with actions (2 state of the art, heavely armed destroyers sent to secure the US ships: this sends a clear message, unlike the message that Bush had sent).

 

[Mr. President]

Yeah the spy plane was carrying information about China so Im pretty sure China already knew the information they gathered. It was a rebel act but not a security risk.

 

[Chris]

A potential conflict was brewing last night in the South China Sea after President Obama dispatched heavily armed American destroyers to the scene of a naval standoff between the US and China at the weekend.

US warships head for South China Sea after standoff - Times Online


Warships be darn. All China has to do is call in the loans they have made to America to bring her to her knees.

All we have to do is not pay them.

 

[dilloduck]

A potential conflict was brewing last night in the South China Sea after President Obama dispatched heavily armed American destroyers to the scene of a naval standoff between the US and China at the weekend.

US warships head for South China Sea after standoff - Times Online


Warships be darn. All China has to do is call in the loans they have made to America to bring her to her knees.

All we have to do is not pay them.

that would be so not fair tho.

 

[Toome]

The Chinese are testing the new President, that's all. They tried it once with Bush and backed off. Now we have a President who goes on the record implying that the US will cave in to terrorism by bringing terrorists to the negotiations table as equals. How can the Chinese resist the temptation to see where else the new President will cave in?

No, China did not back down: China took sensitive equipment out of the plane. The US was weak: it was an embaressment for the US, China obviously had the upper hand in this situation.

CNN.com - Sources: Chinese board U.S. spy plane, remove equipment - April 3, 2001

Bush was weak, Obama reacted with actions (2 state of the art, heavely armed destroyers sent to secure the US ships: this sends a clear message, unlike the message that Bush had sent).

Clearly you need to see the bigger picture. Since that incident, the Chinese minded their p's and q's. There was never a repeat incident, no follow-up, no other attempts by the Chinese. (Please post links to any repeated incidents by the Chinese if you think I'm wrong.) This is particularly true after 9/11 when President Bush clearly demonstrated to the world that he was willing to take whatever actions necessary to protect Americans.

Obama hasn't finished the test yet. We'll see how he does. I think on the one hand this is a simple matter of the Chinese testing the waters. On the other hand, I think President Obama brought this one on himself with his naive, weak-minded, hand-holding, Kumbaya-singing, let's-all-get-along Pollyanna statements.

 

[Mr. President]

The Chinese are testing the new President, that's all. They tried it once with Bush and backed off. Now we have a President who goes on the record implying that the US will cave in to terrorism by bringing terrorists to the negotiations table as equals. How can the Chinese resist the temptation to see where else the new President will cave in?

No, China did not back down: China took sensitive equipment out of the plane. The US was weak: it was an embaressment for the US, China obviously had the upper hand in this situation.

CNN.com - Sources: Chinese board U.S. spy plane, remove equipment - April 3, 2001

Bush was weak, Obama reacted with actions (2 state of the art, heavely armed destroyers sent to secure the US ships: this sends a clear message, unlike the message that Bush had sent).

He sent 3 war ships to help "search" for the downed plane.

 

[mash107]

lol, does anyone here actually believe we're good for our loans? We'd have to raise taxes to at least 80% to pay back China's matured bonds in the next decade or two, and there's no way that'll happen. The entire federal government are subprime borrowers, because there's no way they'll make good on their debts, or atleast, give the Chinese something resembling a valuable currency.

 

[Munin]

The Chinese are testing the new President, that's all. They tried it once with Bush and backed off. Now we have a President who goes on the record implying that the US will cave in to terrorism by bringing terrorists to the negotiations table as equals. How can the Chinese resist the temptation to see where else the new President will cave in?

No, China did not back down: China took sensitive equipment out of the plane. The US was weak: it was an embaressment for the US, China obviously had the upper hand in this situation.

CNN.com - Sources: Chinese board U.S. spy plane, remove equipment - April 3, 2001

Bush was weak, Obama reacted with actions (2 state of the art, heavely armed destroyers sent to secure the US ships: this sends a clear message, unlike the message that Bush had sent).

He sent 3 war ships to help "search" for the downed plane.

The US knew where the plane was, the US didn't need to search for it. The sending of 3 ships is something irrelevant to the issue. (unless their was an aircraft carrier among them, which was not the case)

The ships that Obama is sending have an actual military mission and directly concern the issue (defending a US "spy" ship + not backing down for Chinese agression but sending a strong signal: China will not dare to attack a US warship, the only thing China can do is protest)

 

[Mr. President]

Sending three war ships to offer China help in finding their plane. Three war ships to me sends a strong message. In one instance you say when Bush did it it wasn't a show of strength. But Obama doing the same thing is?

 

[elvis]

A potential conflict was brewing last night in the South China Sea after President Obama dispatched heavily armed American destroyers to the scene of a naval standoff between the US and China at the weekend.

US warships head for South China Sea after standoff - Times Online


Warships be darn. All China has to do is call in the loans they have made to America to bring her to her knees.

Doesn't work that way. Never has and never will. China can not call in the loans legally and even if they tried we would just refuse to pay. They would lose all the assets they carry on the loans and principle and we would probably manage to convince the rest of the world we had no choice.

Countries do not loan money thinking they can control other Governments, they do it to get and keep preferential trade partnerships. Why? Because the loaner knows if he pushes to hard he loses his capital and his interest. BUT pushing for preferred trade is easy to accomplish and does not threaten the country it is demanded of.

I have been curious about this topic. When the banks in the US started to fail in 1929, the banks called in the loans they had made to Germany for war reparations. Why were they allowed to do that?