The Chief of the Boat of the USS Manchester currently deployed in the South China Sea installed an illegal Starlink antenna and secret wifi network

[shockedcanadian]

Actually, Chamberlain took the sensible approach at Munich, and then foolishly wrote the Polish Colonels a blank check he couldn't cash.

Fortunately, Hitler was stupid, like most malignant narcissists, and screwed up by invading the USSR without having defeated the UK, and then doubled down by declaring war on the US when he wasn't obligated to.

Ah right, Chamberlain was sensible. I presume you.want the West to replicate this sensible approach in confronting China.

 

[JoeB131]

Ah right, Chamberlain was sensible. I presume you.want the West to replicate this sensible approach in confronting China.

Um, when it comes to Taiwan and the Islands in the South China Sea, absolutely. these are Chinese territories.

So let's review what happened at Munich. There was a territory of Czechoslovakia called the Sudetenland, which was ethnically German and didn't like being ruled by the Czechs. In fact, no one liked being ruled by the Czechs. The Germans didn't, The Slovaks didn't. The Hungarians didn't. The problem with drawing the borders in 1919 was that it wasn't based on who lived there, it was based on 'How do we screw Germany and Austria-Hungary?"

The only thing Germany got from Munich was the Sudetenland. Hungary reclaimed its territory, and Slovakia declared independence under Fr. Tizo. None of that happened at Munich, but it was more or less a fire sale. The Germans declared Bohemia a protectorate, but it was already surrounded by Germany at that point.

Embarrassed that he couldn't save Czechoslovakia from reality, old Neville wrote the Polish Colonels a blank check that he couldn't cash. He just hoped the fear of Soviet intervention would keep Hitler from doing anything stupid. Instead, Hitler outmaneuvered him and made a deal with Stalin to divide Poland. Able to get all the natural resources he needed by trading with the USSR, Hitler was able to supply his war machine and turn west.

Now, imagine this. Instead of writing the Polish Colonels a blank check, he told them to return the Danzig corridor (which was ethnically German at that point). Instead of treating Stalin as a threat, they made a deal with him. Hitler would have been stopped in his tracks with a valid fear of a two-front war.

None of this really applies to China, which isn't Nazi Germany by any stretch. They aren't even putting claims to territories like Mongolia and Outer Manchuria. They are letting Hong Kong keep their own system. They allow Tibet to have some autonomy and even appoint their own religious leaders.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Um, when it comes to Taiwan and the Islands in the South China Sea, absolutely. these are Chinese territories.

So let's review what happened at Munich. There was a territory of Czechoslovakia called the Sudetenland, which was ethnically German and didn't like being ruled by the Czechs. In fact, no one liked being ruled by the Czechs. The Germans didn't, The Slovaks didn't. The Hungarians didn't. The problem with drawing the borders in 1919 was that it wasn't based on who lived there, it was based on 'How do we screw Germany and Austria-Hungary?"

The only thing Germany got from Munich was the Sudetenland. Hungary reclaimed its territory, and Slovakia declared independence under Fr. Tizo. None of that happened at Munich, but it was more or less a fire sale. The Germans declared Bohemia a protectorate, but it was already surrounded by Germany at that point.

Embarrassed that he couldn't save Czechoslovakia from reality, old Neville wrote the Polish Colonels a blank check that he couldn't cash. He just hoped the fear of Soviet intervention would keep Hitler from doing anything stupid. Instead, Hitler outmaneuvered him and made a deal with Stalin to divide Poland. Able to get all the natural resources he needed by trading with the USSR, Hitler was able to supply his war machine and turn west.

Now, imagine this. Instead of writing the Polish Colonels a blank check, he told them to return the Danzig corridor (which was ethnically German at that point). Instead of treating Stalin as a threat, they made a deal with him. Hitler would have been stopped in his tracks with a valid fear of a two-front war.

None of this really applies to China, which isn't Nazi Germany by any stretch. They aren't even putting claims to territories like Mongolia and Outer Manchuria. They are letting Hong Kong keep their own system. They allow Tibet to have some autonomy and even appoint their own religious leaders.

You prove you are a traitor with your history lesson and support for China

 

[JoeB131]

You prove you are a traitor with your history lesson and support for China

If you are reading history to feel good, you aren't reading history, you are reading propaganda.

World War II happened because of miscalculations by nearly ALL the leaders involved. 70 million dead people later, we realize how badly they all fucked up.

China has never done anything bad to me.

Don't make enemies where they don't exist.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If you are reading history to feel good, you aren't reading history, you are reading propaganda.

World War II happened because of miscalculations by nearly ALL the leaders involved. 70 million dead people later, we realize how badly they all fucked up.

China has never done anything bad to me.

Don't make enemies where they don't exist.

Hitler could have been stopped in 36 if France and Britain hadn't been cowards, claiming they should have just given Germany everything they demanded proves you are a fool,

 

[scruffy]

I thought this was in the satire section. Court Martial and move on. China is going to win regardless.

Not if Trump is president.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Not if Trump is president.

China is going to win.

You can delay it but you have some of the least impressive in government circles. How many Democrats have been targeted by the CCP over the last decade alone? It's frightening.

China knows before most presidents do what is going to happen. It's the greatest global influence campaign perhaps of all time due to the globalized world and speed of information travel.

 

[The Duke]

This is DEI.

This is DEI at work in the military.

This is DEI wrecking the military.

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DIE: The Chief of the Boat of the USS Manchester currently deployed in the South China Sea installed an illegal Starlink antenna and secret wifi network so she could watch her favorite telenovelas. When she was caught she lied to her commanding officer and the admiral not once but three times forcing an official NCIS investigation to be conducted. The antenna and network potentially allowed the Chinese Navy to track the ship and penetrate its classified Combat Information Systems.​

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Despite putting the entire crew of the Manchester at risk AND lying to her commanding officer Command Senior Chief Petty Officer Grisel Marrero was not given any prison time nor was she separated from the Navy - instead she was demoted to Chief Petty Officer and reassigned. Marrero was recruited and promoted BECAUSE of her racial and cultural identity to meet the diversity, equity, and inclusion goals of the Navy. As a result, her command did not believe they could separate her from the Navy much less sentence her to prison.​

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Oh, she's Boriqua.

 

[LeftofLeft]

My understanding was the all the NCOs had access to that account, not just her. Sounds like some NCO's using a work-around to solve a problem. My guess is the officers had no problem using the ship's official systems to access the internet.

Navy boss installed unauthorised satellite so warship crew could check sports scores

Officers used Starlink to keep up with the news and bought signal amplifiers during a stop in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii

www.independent.co.uk

She and more than a dozen other chief petty officers used it to send messages home and keep up with the news and bought signal amplifiers during a stop in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, after they realized the wireless signal did not cover all areas of the ship, according to the investigation.

Those involved also used the Chief Petty Officer Association’s debit card to pay off the $1,000 monthly Starlink bill.

Of course, you are making a lot of assumptions about DEI here, when heck, I was in the Army in the 1980s before anyone heard of DEI, and many of our NCOs were people of color because the military is one of the few places where white privilege doesn't really apply.

She was using a rogue device. Sounds to me like she created a cybersecurity vulnerability. That is a big fuck up. It’s bad enough when one is found on a government network. This is worse.

 

[Care4all]

My understanding was the all the NCOs had access to that account, not just her. Sounds like some NCO's using a work-around to solve a problem. My guess is the officers had no problem using the ship's official systems to access the internet.

Navy boss installed unauthorised satellite so warship crew could check sports scores

Officers used Starlink to keep up with the news and bought signal amplifiers during a stop in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii

www.independent.co.uk

She and more than a dozen other chief petty officers used it to send messages home and keep up with the news and bought signal amplifiers during a stop in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, after they realized the wireless signal did not cover all areas of the ship, according to the investigation.

Those involved also used the Chief Petty Officer Association’s debit card to pay off the $1,000 monthly Starlink bill.

Of course, you are making a lot of assumptions about DEI here, when heck, I was in the Army in the 1980s before anyone heard of DEI, and many of our NCOs were people of color because the military is one of the few places where white privilege doesn't really apply.

From your accurate article and not an X post as the op....

It had nothing to do with watching a soap opera....it had to do with 8 petty officers wanting to keep up with sports, and their families.


And

She was convicted in a court martial, and demoted.

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From your link:

In March she was convicted at a court-martial where she pleaded guilty to dereliction of duty and providing false official statements to commanders, the Navy Times reported. She was demoted to a chief petty officer after trial.

A Starlink satellite-based broadband system used by Ukrainian servicemen (Getty Images)

Marrero was relieved “due to a loss of confidence in her leadership abilities,” said spokesperson Cmdr. Cindy Fields said via email.

 

[JoeB131]

Hitler could have been stopped in 36 if France and Britain hadn't been cowards, claiming they should have just given Germany everything they demanded proves you are a fool,

Well, not really.

So this is the "if only France had intervened when the Germans demilitarized the Rhineland, Hitler could have been stopped."

Except- they had no moral grounds to do so. the Rhineland was Germany's territory. They had every right to occupy it.

(Incidentally, my family came from the Rhineland before coming to America. They lived there when the French briefly occupied it after WWI.)

Same thing with Austria. Most Austrians wanted to unite with Germany at that point.

 

[22lcidw]

Actually, Chamberlain took the sensible approach at Munich, and then foolishly wrote the Polish Colonels a blank check he couldn't cash.

Fortunately, Hitler was stupid, like most malignant narcissists, and screwed up by invading the USSR without having defeated the UK, and then doubled down by declaring war on the US when he wasn't obligated to.

Stupidity perhaps. Thinking he was too powerful for the rest of the planet and needed to take all he could quickly was a gamble. Only one nation stood in his way. Germany was a basket case up to several years before they started their conquests. Incredible nation. Germany had no foundation in conquered nations as they moved fast to take over other countries and moved from there. Maybe if the war stopped or they dug in for an armistice, they would have had most of Europe, part of the Middle East and North Africa. A different world map for today.

 

[excalibur]

My understanding was the all the NCOs had access to that account, not just her. Sounds like some NCO's using a work-around to solve a problem. My guess is the officers had no problem using the ship's official systems to access the internet.

Navy boss installed unauthorised satellite so warship crew could check sports scores

Officers used Starlink to keep up with the news and bought signal amplifiers during a stop in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii

www.independent.co.uk

She and more than a dozen other chief petty officers used it to send messages home and keep up with the news and bought signal amplifiers during a stop in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, after they realized the wireless signal did not cover all areas of the ship, according to the investigation.

Those involved also used the Chief Petty Officer Association’s debit card to pay off the $1,000 monthly Starlink bill.

Of course, you are making a lot of assumptions about DEI here, when heck, I was in the Army in the 1980s before anyone heard of DEI, and many of our NCOs were people of color because the military is one of the few places where white privilege doesn't really apply.

Bullshit. She lied several times about it. And it is illegal to do so.

... an illegal Starlink antenna and secret wifi network so she could watch her favorite telenovelas. When she was caught she lied to her commanding officer and the admiral not once but three times forcing an official NCIS investigation to be conducted. The antenna and network potentially allowed the Chinese Navy to track the ship and penetrate its classified Combat Information Systems.​

 

[excalibur]

She was an information systems tech, she should have known better.

Navy investigators learned Marrero lied to her superior officer about the dish, which she nicknamed “Stinky,” when asked about it. She also disguised the network by renaming it as a printer.

Naval officers have restricted internet access while at sea, in order to maintain bandwidth for military operations and to guard against cybersecurity breaches.

Marrero worked as an information systems technician aboard the Manchester./indent]

Unauthorized satellite dish on warship lands Navy chief Grisel Marrero in hot water with demotion

A U.S. Navy official was relieved of her duties and demoted, after having an unauthorized Starlink High Performance satellite dish installed on a warship and lying about it to her commanding office…

nypost.com

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[JoeB131]

Bullshit. She lied several times about it. And it is illegal to do so.

Do you really think the officers just missed this antenna for months, and none of them knew it was going on?

Or were they using it to watch sports?

The one thing I do remember from my service is that if they can scapegoat an enlisted man, they would.

In fact, there was an incident where the Bn. Supply NCO was not returning blank training ammo to the Depot. I pointed out to him he was not following the reg. (as a company Supply NCO). I alerted the S-4 and S-3 that this was a problem. They didn't care, either. So I filed a memo to cover my ass.

Then it blew up when someone got caught with some training ammo in his car by civilian police.

Well, guess who got nailed for it? Yup, the enlisted guy.

 

[JoeB131]

She was an information systems tech, she should have known better.

See above. The Bn. Supply NCO should have known better as well. But he thought that if we turned in our training ammo unused, they'd issue us less in the future.

But the officers were happy to hang him out to dry. They didn't demote him or anything, but he lost his position and got transferred to recruiting command.

 

[excalibur]

Do you really think the officers just missed this antenna for months, and none of them knew it was going on?

Or were they using it to watch sports?

The one thing I do remember from my service is that if they can scapegoat an enlisted man, they would.

In fact, there was an incident where the Bn. Supply NCO was not returning blank training ammo to the Depot. I pointed out to him he was not following the reg. (as a company Supply NCO). I alerted the S-4 and S-3 that this was a problem. They didn't care, either. So I filed a memo to cover my ass.

Then it blew up when someone got caught with some training ammo in his car by civilian police.

Well, guess who got nailed for it? Yup, the enlisted guy.

Yes. She was a tech officer, she knew how to do it.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes. She was a tech officer, she knew how to do it.

You just sailed right over my point. The ship has a regular crew of 52 and up to 35 mission crew. of those, 11 are officers.

Are you trying to tell me that none of these officers noticed the enlisted personnel were able to suddenly get good internet connections.

Or they knew what was going on, didn't care because they were participating in the misconduct, and then hung the enlisted person out to dry when they got caught?

Sorry, man, call me a cynic, but based on my own experiences, I find the latter a lot more likely.

So they busted her down one rank and please don't rat the rest of us out.

 

[whitehall]

Not a "boat" Its a U.S. Navy ship LCS 14. The type of ship is designed to work in relatively shallow waters. A good guess is that it is a spy ship that was hacked and the Chief was a convenient patsy for the captain's incompetence. Just a guess.

 

[JoeB131]

Not a "boat" Its a U.S. Navy ship LCS 14. The type of ship is designed to work in relatively shallow waters. A good guess is that it is a spy ship that was hacked and the Chief was a convenient patsy for the captain's incompetence. Just a guess.

I've heard nothing but bad things about the LCS class ships, that they were really bad design overall, and they are planning to scrap most of them sooner than expected.