US Navy investigates potential LCS class-wide design flaw

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

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[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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*Note that according to the Department of Defense, Public Trust is a type of position, not clearance level, though GSA refers to it as clearance level. GSA does not issue DoD clearances because it does not create classified information.

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• It will take approximately 8-15 months to complete the top secret (TS) portion, which includes an in-person interview with an investigator.
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7. When a clearance has been approved, the assigned adjudicator from the Security Office will inform you directly and provide you further instructions.
Questions?

So you ever have one do this before?

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

Clearance Levels
There are three national security clearance levels: Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret. Work deemed Critical Sensitive requires a Top Secret clearance. Special Sensitive work requires access to Sensitive Compartmented Information and therefore a Top Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI) clearance. When TTS employees need a clearance, it is typically a TS/SCI.

*Note that according to the Department of Defense, Public Trust is a type of position, not clearance level, though GSA refers to it as clearance level. GSA does not issue DoD clearances because it does not create classified information.

Your clearance status
Find out your clearance status in HRLinks

1. Click on the Navigator icon in the top right hand corner
2. Click on “Self Service”
3. Click on “Personal Information”
4. Click on “Employee Security Clearance”

You can also email [email protected] to check your status.

Your clearance obligations
If you hold a clearance, there are a number of standards of conduct you are expected to follow regarding:

1. your personal conduct, such as following the need-to-know principle.
2. self-reporting certain personal activities, like foreign travel.
3. reporting concerns about co-workers. The Center for Development of Security Excellence’s guide details these obligations on page 15.

Clearance upgrade requests
If you are a TTS employee and need to request TS/SCI clearance:

1. Have your Supervisor fill out out the Security Clearance Upgrade Request form

• The Security Clearance Upgrade Request form is intended for TTS Supervisors to fill out when requesting an upgraded security clearance for one of their team members. The information gathered will help TTS PeopleOps determine the best way to support and proceed with the Security Clearance upgrade process.

2. Work with your supervisor to complete required documentation

• GSA Position Risk Determination Survey
  • On Question #7, refer to pages 4-10 of the Federal Cybersecurity Coding Structure
    • Choose up to 3 codes which describe the type of cybersecurity work assigned to the position, and list them in descending order by majority of work time.
• Supervisor must write up a Justification explaining why this clearance is necessary
  • Sample Justification
• If you have been employed at GSA for over one year complete the following documents:
  • GSA Credit Report
  • Declaration of Federal Employment (OF 306)

3. Email all documents from Step 2 to the People Ops Team.
The People Ops Team will contact GSA HR Classification and work with HR and the Supervisor to create an updated PD. Once the PD is created, People Ops will submit the package to GSA Security and submit a PAR if applicable.

• Please note that you can not be placed on this new PD until your security clearance is processed by OPM. You may request a waiver justification to be placed on this PD before the clearance goes through ONLY if your PD is classified as critical sensitive (versus special sensitive)
• Waiver justifications must be written by the supervisor and approved by the FAS Commissioner (Alan Thomas)

4. HR will review all items and submit to Security
5. You will receive an email asking you to update your eQIP

• You’ll have 7 days to complete.

6. Once the eQIP is complete, security will review and send to OPM

• Security will complete this within 1-3 days
• It will take approximately 8-15 months to complete the top secret (TS) portion, which includes an in-person interview with an investigator.
  • This delay is due to the backlogs at OPM. The SCI portion is controlled by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and can only be requested after the TS is complete. You should plan an additional 4-6 weeks for that process.

7. When a clearance has been approved, the assigned adjudicator from the Security Office will inform you directly and provide you further instructions.
Questions?

So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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Questions?

So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

 

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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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There are three national security clearance levels: Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret. Work deemed Critical Sensitive requires a Top Secret clearance. Special Sensitive work requires access to Sensitive Compartmented Information and therefore a Top Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI) clearance. When TTS employees need a clearance, it is typically a TS/SCI.

*Note that according to the Department of Defense, Public Trust is a type of position, not clearance level, though GSA refers to it as clearance level. GSA does not issue DoD clearances because it does not create classified information.

Your clearance status
Find out your clearance status in HRLinks

1. Click on the Navigator icon in the top right hand corner
2. Click on “Self Service”
3. Click on “Personal Information”
4. Click on “Employee Security Clearance”

You can also email [email protected] to check your status.

Your clearance obligations
If you hold a clearance, there are a number of standards of conduct you are expected to follow regarding:

1. your personal conduct, such as following the need-to-know principle.
2. self-reporting certain personal activities, like foreign travel.
3. reporting concerns about co-workers. The Center for Development of Security Excellence’s guide details these obligations on page 15.

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Questions?

So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.