US Military's Knee on the Throat of the World

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Communist propaganda thread.

 

[georgephillip]

There is NO justification, under any circumstances, for the Russian Federation to INVADE and annex the Crimean province of Ukraine. Nearly every country on the planet is against the Russian annexation of Crimea and wants the Crimea to be returned to Ukraine. This the first invasion and annexation of another countries territory in Europe since ADOLF HITLER did it in the 1940s

Ask yourself how four percent of humanity acquires one-quarter of global wealth?

US staged a coup in Ukraine – here’s why and how - NationofChange

"In the picture below, McCain is standing on the stage next to Oleh Tyahnybok, the leader of the far-right group called Svoboda, which uses a not-so-subtle logo that combines 'N' and 'Z.' Get it?"

Hint: it's not from nation building or fighting Nazis.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is NO justification, under any circumstances, for the Russian Federation to INVADE and annex the Crimean province of Ukraine. Nearly every country on the planet is against the Russian annexation of Crimea and wants the Crimea to be returned to Ukraine. This the first invasion and annexation of another countries territory in Europe since ADOLF HITLER did it in the 1940s

Ask yourself how four percent of humanity acquires one-quarter of global wealth?

US staged a coup in Ukraine – here’s why and how - NationofChange

"In the picture below, McCain is standing on the stage next to Oleh Tyahnybok, the leader of the far-right group called Svoboda, which uses a not-so-subtle logo that combines 'N' and 'Z.' Get it?"

Hint: it's not from nation building or fighting Nazis.

Ask yourself how four percent of humanity acquires one-quarter of global wealth?

Because capitalism works better than communism.

 

[U2Edge]

There is no such thing as the near-abroad. What the Russians or others refer to as the "near-abroad" are independent countries that are allowed to make their own choices about whether to join a particular economic block or Defensive Alliance. The Russians have no right, to stop any other independent country from joining an Economic Union or Defensive Alliance.

Would you apply the same logic to the Monroe Doctrine?

‘Abandoned’ Monroe Doctrine Guided U.S. Policy for 190 Years

The Monroe Doctrine is from the early 19th century. The United States moved away from it at the start of the 20th century over 100 years ago. If the United States followed the Monroe Doctrine, we would have been on Argentina's side in the Falklands War in 1982. Not to say that United States intervention in Latin America is not warranted under the right circumstances, but the Monroe Doctrine is ancient, and has not been followed in the way it was originally presented since the 19th century, although some in the 20th century may have continued to site as a basis for certain policies.

United States security was threatened by wars in Europe in World War I and World War II, and since World War II, its been a National Security priority to insure the safety and stability of Europe. Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, or any former state of the Soviet Union is not any more a sphere of influence for Russia than it is for the United States, NATO or any member state of the United Nations.

 

[georgephillip]

The only ground combat units the United States had in Europe were a lightly armed Airborne Brigade in Vincenza Italy, and a lightly armed Stryker Brigade in Southern Germany. THEN THE RUSSIANS INVADED UKRAINE and ANNEXED CRIMEA IN FEBRUARY/MARCH 2014. This forced the United States to do a complete 180 on its troop levels and redeployments. U.S. Main Battle Tanks swiftly came back to Europe

Who gets rich from that?
The same interests which organized the US meddling in Ukraine's 2014 elections:

America's Ukraine Hypocrisy

"There is an abundance of outrage in the United States about Russia’s alleged meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

"Multiple investigations are taking place, and Moscow’s conduct was a major justification for the sanctions legislation that Congress just passed.

"Some furious political figures and members of the media insist that the Putin government’s interference constitutes an act of war.

"One especially agitated House member even compared it explicitly to the Pearl Harbor and 9/11 attacks.

"Such umbrage might be more credible if the United States refrained from engaging in similar conduct.

"But the historical record shows that Washington has meddled in the political affairs of dozens of countries—including many democracies.

"An egregious example occurred in Ukraine during the Euromaidan Revolution of 2014."

 

[U2Edge]

You don't have to be apart of NATO to buy U.S. military equipment. NATO's existence has no impact on U.S. arm sales.

NATO is a cash cow for US arms dealers.

NATO Is a Goldmine for US Weapons’ Industries

"Countries of the NATO military alliance have been ordered by President Trump to increase their spending on weapons, and the reasons for his insistence they do so are becoming clearer.

"It’s got nothing to do with any defence rationale, because, after all, the Secretary General of the US-NATO military alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, has admitted that 'we don’t see any imminent threat against any NATO ally' and the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute recorded in its 2018 World Report that 'at $66.3 billion, Russia’s military spending in 2017 was 20 per cent lower than in 2016.'

"Even Radio Free Europe, the US government's anti-Russia broadcaster, records that Russia has reduced its defence spending."

" Within European NATO, the biggest spenders on US arms, thus far, are Poland, Romania, Britain and Greece, and the amounts involved are colossal.

"Poland, whose economy is booming, has signed an agreement to buy Patriot missile systems for $4.75 billion, adding to the purchase of Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles for $200 million, Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles, costing $250 million, and High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems for the same amount.

"Delivery of its 48 F-16 multi-role strike aircraft ($4.7 billion) began in 2006, and Warsaw has proved a loyal customer ever since. Who knows what exotic new piece of US hardware will be ordered as a result of Mr Trump’s encouragement?"

1. Military spending is not an accurate way to measure military capability. I've already gone over this.

2. Nominal spending of various countries in NATO is not evidence of purchases of U.S. weapons.

3. The only thing you site are some limited sales to Eastern European NATO countries like Poland. Peanuts compared to what the United States sales to countries OUTSIDE OF Europe.

Again, most NATO European military forces are equipped with European made equipment.

 

[U2Edge]

The only ground combat units the United States had in Europe were a lightly armed Airborne Brigade in Vincenza Italy, and a lightly armed Stryker Brigade in Southern Germany. THEN THE RUSSIANS INVADED UKRAINE and ANNEXED CRIMEA IN FEBRUARY/MARCH 2014. This forced the United States to do a complete 180 on its troop levels and redeployments. U.S. Main Battle Tanks swiftly came back to Europe

Who gets rich from that?
The same interests which organized the US meddling in Ukraine's 2014 elections:

America's Ukraine Hypocrisy

"There is an abundance of outrage in the United States about Russia’s alleged meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

"Multiple investigations are taking place, and Moscow’s conduct was a major justification for the sanctions legislation that Congress just passed.

"Some furious political figures and members of the media insist that the Putin government’s interference constitutes an act of war.

"One especially agitated House member even compared it explicitly to the Pearl Harbor and 9/11 attacks.

"Such umbrage might be more credible if the United States refrained from engaging in similar conduct.

"But the historical record shows that Washington has meddled in the political affairs of dozens of countries—including many democracies.

"An egregious example occurred in Ukraine during the Euromaidan Revolution of 2014."

Ukraine does not feel that the United States meddled in their country in 2014. AFTER ALL ITS THE RUSSIANS, NOT THE UNITED STATES, which INVADED AND ANNEXED UKRAINIAN TERRITORY AND WON'T RETURN IT! Most Ukrainians support the United States and support NATO as of 2020. By overwhelming numbers. Putin's actions in 2014 have turned 90% of the Ukrainian population, in unoccupied territory, against Russia.

 

[U2Edge]

There is NO justification, under any circumstances, for the Russian Federation to INVADE and annex the Crimean province of Ukraine. Nearly every country on the planet is against the Russian annexation of Crimea and wants the Crimea to be returned to Ukraine. This the first invasion and annexation of another countries territory in Europe since ADOLF HITLER did it in the 1940s

Ask yourself how four percent of humanity acquires one-quarter of global wealth?

US staged a coup in Ukraine – here’s why and how - NationofChange

"In the picture below, McCain is standing on the stage next to Oleh Tyahnybok, the leader of the far-right group called Svoboda, which uses a not-so-subtle logo that combines 'N' and 'Z.' Get it?"

Hint: it's not from nation building or fighting Nazis.

If it was a staged coup as you claim, then Ukraine as an independent Democracy could launch sanctions against the United States and bring back Putin's puppets into Ukraine. Its been six years and they have not done that. WHY? Because there was no coup, and the people of Ukraine don't want their country controlled by Russia or Putin's many puppets. They want to be free to join the European Union, NATO or any other organization they want to. Ukraine today views RUSSIA as the enemy, and is on more friendly terms with the United States today than ever before in its history.

The only ones claiming a coup or PUTIN, RUSSIANS, and those that support them and YOU.

 

[esalla]

Yea we had no right to stop those considerate nazies

This thread is about US foreign policy since 1945:

Hegemony or Survival - Wikipedia

"Chomsky's primary argument in Hegemony or Survival is that the United States government has pursued an 'Imperial Grand Strategy' in order to maintain its status as the world's foremost superpower since at least the end of the Second World War."

Apparently you do not know when Berlin fell

 

[georgephillip]

Working out pretty good in both Iraq and Syria. ISIS has been crushed in both states. Iraq is producing vast sums of oil for the global market

How's it working out for those maimed, murdered, and displaced by the heroic US interventions?

Syrian refugees top 2 million as thousands flee daily

"The number of refugees in Syria has surpassed the 2 million mark, the United Nations said Tuesday, in the ever worsening humanitarian crisis that has resulted from the two-year-old Syrian civil war.

"Almost one-third of the country's population has been uprooted, including internal displacement."

Maybe some of those "vast sums of money" from oil and arms sales should be taxed and spent on refugees?

 

[georgephillip]

he United States saved the world from World War III, Soviet Communism, and aggressive Rogue States. The United States is the #1 reason why the standard of living on the planet and life expectancy is the highest it has ever been in human history.

Where did you get the idea the standard of living and life expectancy is currently the highest in human history?

Specifically, how did life expectancy and standard of living rise in Russia after the US meddled in its 1996 presidential election?

From Russia with Revenge

 

[georgephillip]

We live in a World created by Franklin Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman, and for the past 75 years, it has largely advanced in the right direction.

Harry Truman changed course from FDR about the same time he became aware of nuclear weapons. The reality is the US took over for the British Empire at the end of WWII, and very little has changed in that regard since 1945:

Hegemony or Survival - Wikipedia

"Maintaining a hold on political power and enhancing US control of the world's primary energy sources are major steps toward the twin goals that have been declared with considerable clarity: to institutionalize a radical restructuring of domestic society that will roll back the progressive reforms of a century, and to establish an imperial grand strategy of permanent world domination.
—Noam Chomsky, 2003."

 

[georgephillip]

The nearest United States ground combat unit to Ukraine was nearly 600 miles away from Ukraine's border. Compare that

Compare that to the nearest Russian ground combat unit to the US homeland? I understand you believe the US is the "good guy" and in many domestic arenas I agree; however, in foreign policy the US is responsible for much of the instability across the Middle East today and Africa tomorrow.

Hegemony or Survival - Wikipedia

"Noting that economic decision making in the United States is highly centralized among a select socio-economic elite who control big business, he argues that this elite play a dominant role in this Imperial Grand Strategy because they consistently maintain a strong influence over successive U.S. governments.

"As a result, he argues that U.S. foreign policy has focused on gaining and maintaining unrestricted access to markets, energy supplies, and strategic resources across the world.[26]

"Chomsky goes on to categorize the specific purposes of the doctrine as:

"containing other centers of global power within the 'overall framework of order' managed by the United States; maintaining control of the world's energy supplies; barring unacceptable forms of independent nationalism; and overcoming 'crisis of democracy' within domestic enemy territory."

 

[georgephillip]

The United States rebuilt Europe, Japan, Russia, China, after World War II.

The US rebuilt the world after WWII because it was in the economic interests of rich Americans to do so. The Marshall Plan, for example, sent taxpayer dollars to Europe AFTER rich Europeans sent their fortunes to New York banks.

https://www.actvism.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/161101_Transcript_Chomsky_Marshall-Plan_ENG.pdf

"Another was the Marshall Plan, which did provide funding to purchase American exports. In the course of it Europe did develop.

"Incidentally, I think, about probably 2 billion dollars of the 13 billion dollars went for oil imports. That was part of the US effort to turn Europe into an oil dependent economy.

"The United States controlled the oil, Europe had coal, not oil, same in Japan.

"They tried to turn them into oil-dependent economies; the reason that was expressed clearly by George Kennan was that if we did that we would have what he called veto power over their policies, because we would essentially control the energy spigots."

 

[georgephillip]

The United States helps the rest of the world maintain their economies, improve their standard of living, while preventing Rogue nations from committing the same actions and crimes that the AXIS powers

Can you explain how the US has helped the economies of Iraq and Syria today? Millions of civilians in those countries have been deprived of their jobs, property, and lives in order for US elites to maintain control of global oil spigots. How does that qualify as making the world a better place?

 

[georgephillip]

You're not fooling anyone george, the United States has defeated the left wing agitators around the world and your post is nothing more than a surrender with the hopes that the lefts last gasp effort to stop us is here at home by making surrender look inviting to us instead of you.

You should consider the possibility much of what you've been told about US foreign policy since WWII is just another lie the rich tell:

Telling the Truth about Imperialism, Noam Chomsky interviewed by David Barsamian

"State Department Policy Study 23, issued in 1948, which was apparently written by George Kennan: 'The U.S. has about 50 percent of the world’s wealth but only 6.3 percent of its population. In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security.'"

 

[georgephillip]

It was t true

the soviet union occupied the north anf free elections there would be impossible

Soviet forces in the north took no steps to block elections in 1945; the only force to do so was the US Army below the 38th parallel.

People's Republic of Korea - Wikipedia

"When Soviet troops entered Pyongyang on 24 August 1945, they found a local People's Committee established there, led by veteran Christian nationalist Cho Man-sik.[7].54–57

"Unlike their American counterparts, the Soviet authorities recognized and worked with the People's Committees[8]p.105–107[9].227–228

"By some accounts, Cho Man-sik was the Soviet government's first choice to lead North Korea."

 

[U2Edge]

Working out pretty good in both Iraq and Syria. ISIS has been crushed in both states. Iraq is producing vast sums of oil for the global market

How's it working out for those maimed, murdered, and displaced by the heroic US interventions?

Syrian refugees top 2 million as thousands flee daily

"The number of refugees in Syria has surpassed the 2 million mark, the United Nations said Tuesday, in the ever worsening humanitarian crisis that has resulted from the two-year-old Syrian civil war.

"Almost one-third of the country's population has been uprooted, including internal displacement."

Maybe some of those "vast sums of money" from oil and arms sales should be taxed and spent on refugees?

The United States only intervened in Syria in a limited capacity to destroy members of ISIS. The countries that have done the MAJORITY of intervention in Syria are RUSSIA, IRAN, and Lebanese Hezbollah.

The responsibility for the conflict in Syria can be laid entirely at the feet of the Syrian Assad Regime, Russia, Iran, Lebanese Hezbollah as well as ISIS. The United States actions in Syria have been confined primarily to North Eastern Syria, north of the Euphrates River and have benefited the region greatly by helping to remove ISIS.

Currently, there has been little if any military action in Syria in almost a month. Current lines of occupation by the various groups in Syria are stable. The past month has been the most peaceful month in the conflict since it started in March 2011.

By the way, your link is from 2013, 7 years ago. I'm talking about the situation in Syria in 2020.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Georgie hates this country but still lives here? Definition of insanity.

 

[georgephillip]

When in all of history, has there not been war or the rumor of war?

For most of the last 100,000 years probably.
War became essential in the west with the rise of Greece and Rome, and war became vital to political economies with the advent of capitalism. Notice how the richest individuals in all those examples benefit most from the mass killing of innocent human beings.

Nikolai Bukharin: Imperialism and World Economy - Introduction by V.I. Lenin