Unsealed Trump Search Warrant - Trump had classified Documents

[mudwhistle]

the national archives inventory is exacting to the level that they knew exactly what Trump had.

If that was the case why didn't that seal it up and take it with them when they left for Washington in May?
Nope....they purposely left any sensitive files there so they could stage this ******* break-in.
Now we discover that the FBI was behind the Facebook censorship on Hunter Biden's laptop before the 2020 election.
One thing is becoming very clear....the FBI is involved in a criminal conspiracy to defraud Donald J. Trump and to hide the truth about Joe Biden and his habit of molesting his children....which seems to have turned them into a bunch of fucked up mental cases.

 

[Rigby5]

Sorry, but you are incorrect.

I disagree.
Many people think SCI is above Top Secret, but it really is just a means of handling documents in a particular facility, and can apply to all layers of classified documents, or even unclassified documents.
For example, HIPAA is an example of sensitive compartmentalized information that is not at all classified.
It is just based on need to know.

{...
Sensitive compartmented information (SCI) is a type of United States classified information concerning or derived from sensitive intelligence sources, methods, or analytical processes. All SCI must be handled within formal access control systems established by the Director of National Intelligence.[1]

SCI is not a classification; SCI clearance has sometimes been called "above Top Secret",[2] but information at any classification level may exist within an SCI control system. When "decompartmentalized", this information is treated the same as collateral information at the same classification level.

The federal government requires[3] the SCI be processed, stored, used or discussed in a sensitive compartmented information facility.
...}

 

[BWK]

Of course I know what a Nazi is, you and your fellow shit weasel democrats.

democrats are Nazis, and water is wet.

• democrats have a scapegoat based on race. Whites are the new "Juden."
  • Republicans judge people by the content of their Character
• democrats are collectivist, seeking control of the means of production by their Reich.
  • Republicans support free people trading freely with each other
• democrats are totalitarian. Well duh.
  • Republicans promote individual liberty
• democrats supplant civil rights with group privilege, gay rights, black rights, trans rights - NEVER individual rights.
  • Republicans support rights for all
• democrats eradicate the rule of law and create dictatorship based on the party
  • Capricious and arbitrary rule by dictators runs against the concepts of liberty
• democrats forcibly suppress religion
  • The state is the god of the democrats
• democrats crush freedom of speech
  • Hate speech laws, political correctness, cancel culture
• democrats create a police state and "Roger Stone" enemies for even minor process crimes in order to create terror
  • Donald Trump threatens Biden's 2024 election bid, so Biden had the Gestapo kick his door in.

You know, none of that has any relationship with the truth. It's total 100% conjecture. How do we know? You could take every one of your claims, and replace each one saying my shoes are ugly, and they will mean the same thing. You cannot produce anything from the standpoint of documentation to back up anything you say. You're a liar as always.

 

[BWK]

If that was the case why didn't that seal it up and take it with them when they left for Washington in May?
Nope....they purposely left any sensitive files there so they could stage this ******* break-in.
Now we discover that the FBI was behind the Facebook censorship on Hunter Biden's laptop before the 2020 election.
One thing is becoming very clear....the FBI is involved in a criminal conspiracy to defraud Donald J. Trump and to hide the truth about Joe Biden and his habit of molesting his children....which seems to have turned them into a bunch of fucked up mental cases.

It wasn't a break in. You're a liar.

 

[Rigby5]

The president can't declassify something without communicating the fact to someone nor can he declassify something without defining what that something actually is. The whole purpose of classification is make known what has limited access and who can access it.

Believing that president can generically declassify hundreds of documents and fail to communicate the fact is absolutely preposterous. No federal court would go along with Trump's claims.

However what is likely is the court and a jury would see his actions as self-serving at the expense of national security. If the president unclassified hundreds of documents, including the most sensitive information simply because they were at Mar A Lago then all that information would becomes available to the general public which includes enemies of the United States.

Wrong.
What you are referring to is if the president wants to have documents status changed so that they can be open to the public.
That is not relevant to what we are discussing here, which is the fact all documents presented to a president become automatically declassified to that president, and anyone he decides to use in their maintenance.
It makes no sense for any president to go through the motions of declassifying documents so that they can be read by the public, is they are trivial, obsolete, duplicate, etc.
So clearly what Trump likely was doing was sorting them.
They needed to be sorted in order to determine what to do with them.
And regardless of what status they may have had at one time, they have only the status that the former president decides they should have after no longer in office.
They are not his personal property, but are totally and completely under his complete discretion.

The only complaint anyone can really have is that he was lazy and slow to get around to sorting these documents.
If there was any legal infraction, it was that most of them should likely have been put in the National Archives, to satisfy the FOIA. But the reality is that all politicians likely sanitize anything before giving it over to NARA.

 

[Rigby5]

Have you ever seen a drug search warrant? It covers potentially thousands of different drugs.

Which is known as an illegal fishing expedition.
All drug search warrants in the US likely are totally illegal in reality.
The whole War on Drugs is not based on law.

 

[BWK]

Yes, Obama did exactly that when he gave classified intelligence to Vladimir Putin in 2012.

Egan was used as precedence in ruling that Obama did nothing wrong as CiC.



That all amounts to shit.

SCOTUS ruled in 1988.

What you or Flopper, or any other fascist whackjob says is utterly irrelevant.

But indicting Trump isn't the objective of your Reich. They are gunning for the Supreme Court.

You'll be reprogrammed soon enough.

That's not an argument. You are running from the truth;
Can a president secretly declassify information without leaving a written record or telling anyone?

That question, according to specialists in the law of government secrecy, is borderline incoherent.

If there is no directive memorializing a decision to declassify information and conveying it to the rest of the government, the action would essentially have no consequence, as departments and agencies would continue to consider that information classified and so would continue to restrict access to documents containing it.


“Hypothetical questions like ‘What if a president thinks to himself that something is declassified? Does that change its status?’ are so speculative that their practical meaning is negligible,” said Steven Aftergood, a secrecy specialist with the Federation of American Scientists.


How are you going to memorialize declassification when it isn't known? You keep posting stupid ass shit.

 

[Rigby5]

The jury trusting him is only thing that counts. The rest is just political b.s.

The reason this is ALL BS, is that the jury can never be told what the documents contained, so it can never get to trial.
This is a publicity stunt, pure and simple.

 

[BWK]

Wrong.
What you are referring to is if the president wants to have documents status changed so that they can be open to the public.
That is not relevant to what we are discussing here, which is the fact all documents presented to a president become automatically declassified to that president, and anyone he decides to use in their maintenance.
It makes no sense for any president to go through the motions of declassifying documents so that they can be read by the public, is they are trivial, obsolete, duplicate, etc.
So clearly what Trump likely was doing was sorting them.
They needed to be sorted in order to determine what to do with them.
And regardless of what status they may have had at one time, they have only the status that the former president decides they should have after no longer in office.
They are not his personal property, but are totally and completely under his complete discretion.

The only complaint anyone can really have is that he was lazy and slow to get around to sorting these documents.
If there was any legal infraction, it was that most of them should likely have been put in the National Archives, to satisfy the FOIA. But the reality is that all politicians likely sanitize anything before giving it over to NARA.

He has to, or no one will ever know it happened you retarded fool;
Can a president secretly declassify information without leaving a written record or telling anyone?

That question, according to specialists in the law of government secrecy, is borderline incoherent.

If there is no directive memorializing a decision to declassify information and conveying it to the rest of the government, the action would essentially have no consequence, as departments and agencies would continue to consider that information classified and so would continue to restrict access to documents containing it.


“Hypothetical questions like ‘What if a president thinks to himself that something is declassified? Does that change its status?’ are so speculative that their practical meaning is negligible,” said Steven Aftergood, a secrecy specialist with the Federation of American Scientists.

 

[BWK]

The reason this is ALL BS, is that the jury can never be told what the documents contained, so it can never get to trial.
This is a publicity stunt, pure and simple.

That is an insanely stupid argument. Again;
Can a president secretly declassify information without leaving a written record or telling anyone?

That question, according to specialists in the law of government secrecy, is borderline incoherent.

If there is no directive memorializing a decision to declassify information and conveying it to the rest of the government, the action would essentially have no consequence, as departments and agencies would continue to consider that information classified and so would continue to restrict access to documents containing it.


“Hypothetical questions like ‘What if a president thinks to himself that something is declassified? Does that change its status?’ are so speculative that their practical meaning is negligible,” said Steven Aftergood, a secrecy specialist with the Federation of American Scientists. You can't just up and declassify what cannot be memorialized. How would anyone in the country know? Thinking you can do that without someone's knowledge is just grotesque stupidity.

 

[Rigby5]

the national archives inventory is exacting to the level that they knew exactly what Trump had.

You have this backwards.
The National Archives has zero inventory listings until Trump gives it to them.
The National Archives has no idea what Trump may or may not have.
He could have legally destroyed the documents created for every briefing, right after the briefing.
There is no entity that can dictate what presidents have to do.
It is up to them, totally.
The National Archives are the passive recipient of whatever a president decides to give them, and they have no expectations at all.

 

[BWK]

Wrong.
What you are referring to is if the president wants to have documents status changed so that they can be open to the public.
That is not relevant to what we are discussing here, which is the fact all documents presented to a president become automatically declassified to that president, and anyone he decides to use in their maintenance.
It makes no sense for any president to go through the motions of declassifying documents so that they can be read by the public, is they are trivial, obsolete, duplicate, etc.
So clearly what Trump likely was doing was sorting them.
They needed to be sorted in order to determine what to do with them.
And regardless of what status they may have had at one time, they have only the status that the former president decides they should have after no longer in office.
They are not his personal property, but are totally and completely under his complete discretion.

The only complaint anyone can really have is that he was lazy and slow to get around to sorting these documents.
If there was any legal infraction, it was that most of them should likely have been put in the National Archives, to satisfy the FOIA. But the reality is that all politicians likely sanitize anything before giving it over to NARA.

They are not his personal property, but are totally and completely under his complete discretion. Not after he leaves office.

 

[Rigby5]

Suggest you read the Presidential Records Act of 1978. Presidential records are not private.

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of...

www.archives.gov

You need to read your own link:
{...

• Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President.
• Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records.
• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.

...}

I did not say the documents were the personal property of the president, but that what is personal, to be archived, or to be destroyed, is totally and completely up to the discretion of the president or ex-president.
These documents can include private information.
For example, there could be documents containing Mar-a-Lago safe combinations.
Things like that are not supposed to be get sent to the National Archives.

 

[BWK]

The ReidOut with Joy Reid on MSNBC | The Joy Reid Show Declassification doesn't mean shit in this discussion.

 

[MAGA Macho Man]

Update.

DOJ has 'no case' against Trump, says former FBI assistant director * WorldNetDaily * by Bob Unruh

A former assistant director for the FBI has concluded that the Department of Justice and FBI have "no case" against President Donald Trump.

www.wnd.com

 

[BWK]

You have this backwards.
The National Archives has zero inventory listings until Trump gives it to them.
The National Archives has no idea what Trump may or may not have.
He could have legally destroyed the documents created for every briefing, right after the briefing.
There is no entity that can dictate what presidents have to do.
It is up to them, totally.
The National Archives are the passive recipient of whatever a president decides to give them, and they have no expectations at all.

It isn't an "UNTIL" affair. He has until it's time for him to leave. His time is not unlimited to extend after he leaves. Case in point, he violated the Espionage Act.

 

[BWK]

Update.

DOJ has 'no case' against Trump, says former FBI assistant director * WorldNetDaily * by Bob Unruh

A former assistant director for the FBI has concluded that the Department of Justice and FBI have "no case" against President Donald Trump.

www.wnd.com

This is totally ridiculous. Trump stole these documents. They were at his home. That by itself is a federal crime.

 

[BWK]

Washington Post thinks Trump still has more documents. Stay tuned.

 

[MAGA Macho Man]

This is totally ridiculous. Trump stole these documents. They were at his home. That by itself is a federal crime.

No it's not. Also Trump didn't steal anything.

 

[BWK]

No it's not. Also Trump didn't steal anything.

That's not an argument. Try again. Try reading the statute instead of making stupid statements.