Universal background checks... really?

[candycorn]

How in the hell is the government going enforce background checks on private sells?
What if you want to barrow a friends firearm? ACCORDING TO MY SOURCES, YOU NEED A BACKGROUND CHECK FOR THAT.

Your argument reminds me of this time when they lowered the speed limit on a road back when I lived in Houston. The cars on the road miraculously went slower because it was the law? Did some people still speed? Yes. Did most? No.

If you pass a law stating that you have to go over to the courthouse or county tax assessor’s office or justice of the peace’s office or the local firearms dealer who is certified to perform the transaction….people will do it. Will some still sell their weapon no questions asked to any one with enough money regardless of their criminal intent…sure.

It is strange that every gun nut on this message board tells us how law abiding gun owners are….yet if you suggest there may be enhanced background checks coming up….the law abiding gun owners will turn into a lawless mob. Which confirms the worst suspicions some have about gun nuts.

Take my word on it I will be a f****** criminal I will create guns and sell them to anybody that wants them

I have no doubt. So much for you ever being a law enforcement officer....it was clearly a lie from the get go

LOL So much for your opinion liar. Cops can be the biggest crocks out their. As a matter of fact I busted one for taking crack from kids and not charging them and resale it. When your government makes honest people criminals nothing really matters after that.

You’re an example...if you were a cop...which you clearly not

 

[candycorn]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

Lol
So, Blame these guys not the firearms...

If they couldn’t easily access firearms, most of their victims would still be alive.

Aren't you just precious. IF people OBEYED the law we wouldn't NEED more laws. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better.

Pure shit.

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

In one sense you’re right. Those 26 families would feel better about right now

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Why should you know the "lineage" of the gun? How will that save lives?

So you're saying we shouldn't try to apprehend violent criminals?

No dumb ass. He's making a case for not turning "criminals" onto the streets. Focus. That is right, you can't. That "criminal" bullshit only got you so far. The money you want to blow to keep people under control would be better spent rehabilitating those we can help and keeping those who pose a danger in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

How in the hell is the government going enforce background checks on private sells?
What if you want to barrow a friends firearm? ACCORDING TO MY SOURCES, YOU NEED A BACKGROUND CHECK FOR THAT.

Your argument reminds me of this time when they lowered the speed limit on a road back when I lived in Houston. The cars on the road miraculously went slower because it was the law? Did some people still speed? Yes. Did most? No.

If you pass a law stating that you have to go over to the courthouse or county tax assessor’s office or justice of the peace’s office or the local firearms dealer who is certified to perform the transaction….people will do it. Will some still sell their weapon no questions asked to any one with enough money regardless of their criminal intent…sure.

It is strange that every gun nut on this message board tells us how law abiding gun owners are….yet if you suggest there may be enhanced background checks coming up….the law abiding gun owners will turn into a lawless mob. Which confirms the worst suspicions some have about gun nuts.

Take my word on it I will be a f****** criminal I will create guns and sell them to anybody that wants them

I have no doubt. So much for you ever being a law enforcement officer....it was clearly a lie from the get go

LOL So much for your opinion liar. Cops can be the biggest crocks out their. As a matter of fact I busted one for taking crack from kids and not charging them and resale it. When your government makes honest people criminals nothing really matters after that.

You’re an example...if you were a cop...which you clearly not

That's what I li

And mandating UBCs on all sales is no big deal. Sell a gun without one and you have broken the law and will be liable just as you would for breaking any other law.

Except, of course the state cannot prove you did so.

Exactly one hundred percent correct

OK dumb this down for me. If I sell a gun to X and the cops take it from him, even if it isn't used in a crime, how does the government NOT trace the gun's lineage? A Universal Background Check cannot be enforced unless there is a built in National Gun Registration.

We need to be clear what we're selling to our fellow gun owners. From this point, forward I'm not registering any firearms, am not signing any papers to buy one, and I'm damn sure not going to forfeit my Fourth Amendment Rights to exercise a constitutional right. This B.S. has gone far enough.

We could and should stop mass shootings. We can do it without a tax increase, a new bureaucracy or gun control. I don't know why we didn't stop this crap by putting the bill on the table. It would shut the dems down. Every time they say gun control, we put that bill on the table and they are on the defensive. We didn't and now we're looking at Universal Background Checks and Red Flag Laws.

We don't give Dems a damn thing because it is not enough.

Every time the right has given the Democrats something, their smart ass reply is, "it's a start." I'm glad that beta boy Beto let the cat out of the bag. And if Trump caves, we need to find a third party candidate with a real message ASAP.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They already CAN trace serial numbers...but it is cumbersome and onerous. We SHOULD have a national registry. Why the hell not?
If a criminal drops a gun in a robbery LE SHOULD be able to tell the lineage of that gun

You cannot demonstrate the necessity for or efficacy of the state having on record the owner of each of the >360 million guns in the US

I did...in the part of the quote you cut off..

No.... you didn't -demonstrate- anything.
But then, you know you can't, so...

 

[Lesh]

Every time the right has given the Democrats something, their smart ass reply is, "it's a start."

You mean like the assault weapons ban that was allowed to lapse after 10 years?

Oh...

 

[Lesh]

They already CAN trace serial numbers...but it is cumbersome and onerous. We SHOULD have a national registry. Why the hell not?
If a criminal drops a gun in a robbery LE SHOULD be able to tell the lineage of that gun

You cannot demonstrate the necessity for or efficacy of the state having on record the owner of each of the >360 million guns in the US

I did...in the part of the quote you cut off..

No.... you didn't -demonstrate- anything.
But then, you know you can't, so...

I did...and don't crop my posts in your quotes again or you will be reported

 

[M14 Shooter]

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

Do you people -ever- think before you post?
Why don't we just make it illegal to kill your mother, steal her guns, take them into a school and murder 20 kids?

 

[Lesh]

No dumb ass. He's making a case for not turning "criminals" onto the streets. Focus. That is right, you can't.

Being able to tell who purchased a gun used in a crime is essential police work you stupid ****

 

[M14 Shooter]

Every time the right has given the Democrats something, their smart ass reply is, "it's a start."

You mean like the assault weapons ban that was allowed to lapse after 10 years?

You mean the "ban" that did nothing to reduce access to 'assault weapons'?

 

[M14 Shooter]

They already CAN trace serial numbers...but it is cumbersome and onerous. We SHOULD have a national registry. Why the hell not?
If a criminal drops a gun in a robbery LE SHOULD be able to tell the lineage of that gun

You cannot demonstrate the necessity for or efficacy of the state having on record the owner of each of the >360 million guns in the US

I did...in the part of the quote you cut off..

No.... you didn't -demonstrate- anything.
But then, you know you can't, so...

I did...

Your unsupportable opinions and fantasy scenarios are not demonstrations of fact, so... no, you did not demonstrate anything.
But then, you know you can't, so...

 

[M14 Shooter]

No dumb ass. He's making a case for not turning "criminals" onto the streets. Focus. That is right, you can't.

Being able to tell who purchased a gun used in a crime is essential police work you stupid ****

How many crimes have gone unsolved because the state could not determine who last legally bought the gun used in said crime?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

No dumb ass. He's making a case for not turning "criminals" onto the streets. Focus. That is right, you can't.

Being able to tell who purchased a gun used in a crime is essential police work you stupid ****

LMFAO. You are the most uneducated idiot on this board despite Daryl Hunt's silly post.

It don't make a shit who owns a firearm. Bullets fired from a barrel are like fingerprints. Bullet matches barrel and find the motive for the shooting, put fingerprints and bullet to the alleged weapon and case closed. You are the stupid ****.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Every time the right has given the Democrats something, their smart ass reply is, "it's a start."

You mean like the assault weapons ban that was allowed to lapse after 10 years?

Oh...

It lapsed because enough congresscritters could not be swayed by all the evidence provided that the so - called "Assault Weapons Ban" had any appreciable effect on gun violence. Hell, you even had a Republican president that said he'd sign the damn bill if it made it to his desk.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How in the hell is the government going enforce background checks on private sells?
What if you want to barrow a friends firearm? ACCORDING TO MY SOURCES, YOU NEED A BACKGROUND CHECK FOR THAT.

Your argument reminds me of this time when they lowered the speed limit on a road back when I lived in Houston. The cars on the road miraculously went slower because it was the law? Did some people still speed? Yes. Did most? No.

If you pass a law stating that you have to go over to the courthouse or county tax assessor’s office or justice of the peace’s office or the local firearms dealer who is certified to perform the transaction….people will do it. Will some still sell their weapon no questions asked to any one with enough money regardless of their criminal intent…sure.

It is strange that every gun nut on this message board tells us how law abiding gun owners are….yet if you suggest there may be enhanced background checks coming up….the law abiding gun owners will turn into a lawless mob. Which confirms the worst suspicions some have about gun nuts.

Take my word on it I will be a f****** criminal I will create guns and sell them to anybody that wants them

I have no doubt. So much for you ever being a law enforcement officer....it was clearly a lie from the get go

LOL So much for your opinion liar. Cops can be the biggest crocks out their. As a matter of fact I busted one for taking crack from kids and not charging them and resale it. When your government makes honest people criminals nothing really matters after that.

You’re an example...if you were a cop...which you clearly not

Go **** yourself.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No dumb ass. He's making a case for not turning "criminals" onto the streets. Focus. That is right, you can't.

Being able to tell who purchased a gun used in a crime is essential police work you stupid ****

That has absolutely nothing to do with this background check you're trying to push. What if those guns were never used in the commission of a crime?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Every time the right has given the Democrats something, their smart ass reply is, "it's a start."

You mean like the assault weapons ban that was allowed to lapse after 10 years?

Oh...

Guess what? the AR wasn't in common use then but it sure is not

 

[Rustic]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

Lol
So, Blame these guys not the firearms...

If they couldn’t easily access firearms, most of their victims would still be alive.

Aren't you just precious. IF people OBEYED the law we wouldn't NEED more laws. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better.

Pure shit.

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

In one sense you’re right. Those 26 families would feel better about right now

So your answer is to confiscate firearms from law-abiding people... lol

 

[candycorn]

Your argument reminds me of this time when they lowered the speed limit on a road back when I lived in Houston. The cars on the road miraculously went slower because it was the law? Did some people still speed? Yes. Did most? No.

If you pass a law stating that you have to go over to the courthouse or county tax assessor’s office or justice of the peace’s office or the local firearms dealer who is certified to perform the transaction….people will do it. Will some still sell their weapon no questions asked to any one with enough money regardless of their criminal intent…sure.

It is strange that every gun nut on this message board tells us how law abiding gun owners are….yet if you suggest there may be enhanced background checks coming up….the law abiding gun owners will turn into a lawless mob. Which confirms the worst suspicions some have about gun nuts.

Take my word on it I will be a f****** criminal I will create guns and sell them to anybody that wants them

I have no doubt. So much for you ever being a law enforcement officer....it was clearly a lie from the get go

LOL So much for your opinion liar. Cops can be the biggest crocks out their. As a matter of fact I busted one for taking crack from kids and not charging them and resale it. When your government makes honest people criminals nothing really matters after that.

You’re an example...if you were a cop...which you clearly not

That's what I li

And mandating UBCs on all sales is no big deal. Sell a gun without one and you have broken the law and will be liable just as you would for breaking any other law.

Except, of course the state cannot prove you did so.

Exactly one hundred percent correct

OK dumb this down for me. If I sell a gun to X and the cops take it from him, even if it isn't used in a crime, how does the government NOT trace the gun's lineage? A Universal Background Check cannot be enforced unless there is a built in National Gun Registration.

We need to be clear what we're selling to our fellow gun owners. From this point, forward I'm not registering any firearms, am not signing any papers to buy one, and I'm damn sure not going to forfeit my Fourth Amendment Rights to exercise a constitutional right. This B.S. has gone far enough.

We could and should stop mass shootings. We can do it without a tax increase, a new bureaucracy or gun control. I don't know why we didn't stop this crap by putting the bill on the table. It would shut the dems down. Every time they say gun control, we put that bill on the table and they are on the defensive. We didn't and now we're looking at Universal Background Checks and Red Flag Laws.

We don't give Dems a damn thing because it is not enough.

Every time the right has given the Democrats something, their smart ass reply is, "it's a start." I'm glad that beta boy Beto let the cat out of the bag. And if Trump caves, we need to find a third party candidate with a real message ASAP.

Yeah Beto pretty much ended his campaign with that move.

Its pretty stupid to think that, in this country where the nearest law enforcement authority might be hours away, that someone would want to remove weaponry from a rural person. In my view…its almost irresponsible not to have a means of aggressive deterrence at your disposal.

 

[candycorn]

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

Do you people -ever- think before you post?

Irony in and of itself.