UNIONS

[indago]

"Union decline has left the working class politically and economically vulnerable, and it’s this vulnerability Mr. Trump has been able to exploit. (For obvious reasons, working-class African-Americans and Latinos are antipathetic.) If unions had anything like their former influence, how many workers would buy the empty economic promises Mr. Trump is making — a man whose recently announced economic advisory team is made up largely of fellow billionaires, and who has said that hourly wages are too high?

There’s a lesson here for the future. American unions have a checkered history and are far from perfect. But as an institution, unions are an essential bulwark for democracy. We’ve allowed them to wither at our peril."

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Wages ARE too high in America if we are to continue with globalization. Our advanced economic system has to be regressed to meet with the developing countries if we are to compete with them.

 

[Silent Warrior]

Sorry, but unions are part of the problem from an international economic competition standpoint, not part of the solution. The idea of unionism, like communism, sounds good, but in actuality works poorly in the real world. Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

 

[Disir]

Ain't no "we" here. None. Jack Lew was a union buster. There is no "collective" blame. This is why the Democrats deserve Trump.

 

[Mr Natural]

Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

And by economically noncompetitive you mean American workers make too much.

"Prosperity Through Lower Wages!"

 

[Disir]

Sorry, but unions are part of the problem from an international economic competition standpoint, not part of the solution. The idea of unionism, like communism, sounds good, but in actuality works poorly in the real world. Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

How much is good for you? $2.75 an hour?

 

[WheelieAddict]

Sorry, but unions are part of the problem from an international economic competition standpoint, not part of the solution. The idea of unionism, like communism, sounds good, but in actuality works poorly in the real world. Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

Time to eliminate those damn correction officer, police, and fire dept, unions right? Damn commies sucking at the public tit, blowing up our taxes.

 

[there4eyeM]

Perhaps what needs to happen is that foreign workers earn more (by unionizing?) instead of U.S. workers earning less.

 

[Al Azar]

If we want to establish an economically fair level for wages, why not scrap the legislated minimum wage and let employers and the employees' unions decide what compensation should be? Leave it up to the market on a level playing field.

 

[indago]

If we want to establish an economically fair level for wages, why not scrap the legislated minimum wage and let employers and the employees' unions decide what compensation should be? Leave it up to the market on a level playing field.

With globalization, international wage rates would have to be considered.

 

[Al Azar]

If we want to establish an economically fair level for wages, why not scrap the legislated minimum wage and let employers and the employees' unions decide what compensation should be? Leave it up to the market on a level playing field.

With globalization, international wage rates would have to be considered.

Everything would have to be considered, which would be an improvement over only considering shareholder dividends, management bonuses and optimum employee turnover rate/compensation ratio.

If compensation is going to drift towards some sort of balance globally, so will corporate profit margins. That's the beauty of everyone negotiating on an equal footing.

 

[Disir]

Do let us know when the elite squad has figured all of this out. Mayhap it won't take as long as it took the IMF.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

And by economically noncompetitive you mean American workers make too much.

"Prosperity Through Lower Wages!"

Or the democrat way prosperity through no jobs~ just collect welfare.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Sorry, but unions are part of the problem from an international economic competition standpoint, not part of the solution. The idea of unionism, like communism, sounds good, but in actuality works poorly in the real world. Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

How much is good for you? $2.75 an hour?

So are you going to work for $2.75 an hour?

What would be the difference if the federal minimum wage would be eliminated?

You think that would trump city and states minimum wage laws?

 

[Al Azar]

Consumer spending accounts for 70% of our domestic product. Keeping worker compensation down keeps domestic demand down, suppressing capital investment. That's why US corporations are sitting on hundreds of billions in cash. They don't need a corporate tax cut to spur investment, they need actual consumer demand for their products and services to justify new investment, and that demand can come only from consumers being able to afford the products and services they produce.

 

[Disir]

Sorry, but unions are part of the problem from an international economic competition standpoint, not part of the solution. The idea of unionism, like communism, sounds good, but in actuality works poorly in the real world. Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

How much is good for you? $2.75 an hour?

So are you going to work for $2.75 an hour?

What would be the difference if the federal minimum wage would be eliminated?

You think that would trump city and states minimum wage laws?

What's good for you, bear? There is theory and then there is application.

 

[Al Azar]

What would be the difference if the federal minimum wage would be eliminated?

You think that would trump city and states minimum wage laws?

I don't think there should be a legislated minimum wage, period. Compensation is a term in the employment contract between owner and worker that needs to be negotiated like every other aspect of employment at a company.

Once we take the government out of providing artificial wage support, workers will realize that they can get a fair deal only by organizing and negotiating with the company from a position of strength through their union. The workers' unions and businesses will determine the value of their labor, each tailored to the geographic location and the needs of owners and workers at each individual enterprise.

Sometimes One Size Fits All is the fairest way to accomplish a goal. Sometimes it gets in the way. IMO, a legislated minimum wage interferes with the organization of labor and disrupts the natural balance of the workplace.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Consumer spending accounts for 70% of our domestic product. Keeping worker compensation down keeps domestic demand down, suppressing capital investment. That's why US corporations are sitting on hundreds of billions in cash. They don't need a corporate tax cut to spur investment, they need actual consumer demand for their products and services to justify new investment, and that demand can come only from consumers being able to afford the products and services they produce.

There lies the problem with 7 plus years of a progressive president, who hates business, who implemented obama care , who wants to raise mw

It slowed down the recovery..

Who would want to invest during a president like this?

Any smart business man would weather the storm sit on his cash and wait it out.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Sorry, but unions are part of the problem from an international economic competition standpoint, not part of the solution. The idea of unionism, like communism, sounds good, but in actuality works poorly in the real world. Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

How much is good for you? $2.75 an hour?

So are you going to work for $2.75 an hour?

What would be the difference if the federal minimum wage would be eliminated?

You think that would trump city and states minimum wage laws?

What's good for you, bear? There is theory and then there is application.

Theroy and application is this, my states MW is 7.25? Same as the national, we have been pulling in oversea jobs left and right. No non skill job pays $7.25 more like $3 bucks to $10 bucks more.

Would we bringing in jobs to this red neck state if it was union only jobs?

Nope.

 

[Al Azar]

Consumer spending accounts for 70% of our domestic product. Keeping worker compensation down keeps domestic demand down, suppressing capital investment. That's why US corporations are sitting on hundreds of billions in cash. They don't need a corporate tax cut to spur investment, they need actual consumer demand for their products and services to justify new investment, and that demand can come only from consumers being able to afford the products and services they produce.

There lies the problem with 7 plus years of a progressive president, who hates business, who implemented obama care , who wants to raise mw

It slowed down the recovery..

Who would want to invest during a president like this?

Any smart business man would weather the storm sit on his cash and wait it out.

You'll be waiting as long as wages are depressed. No increase in domestic demand - no increased investment.

Blame Obama for making it hard for workers to organize and get this economy humming again if you like. You probably blame him for everything else he had no hand in anyway.

 

[Al Azar]

Sorry, but unions are part of the problem from an international economic competition standpoint, not part of the solution. The idea of unionism, like communism, sounds good, but in actuality works poorly in the real world. Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

How much is good for you? $2.75 an hour?

So are you going to work for $2.75 an hour?

What would be the difference if the federal minimum wage would be eliminated?

You think that would trump city and states minimum wage laws?

What's good for you, bear? There is theory and then there is application.

Theroy and application is this, my states MW is 7.25? Same as the national, we have been pulling in oversea jobs left and right. No non skill job pays $7.25 more like $3 bucks to $10 bucks more.

Would we bringing in jobs to this red neck state if it was union only jobs?

Nope.

How do you know this? What if the effective minimum wage based on negotiation were $6.75/hr. Would you still be fighting the real labor market setting wage levels?