Understanding the wealth of the poor

[NYcarbineer]

Yeah I'd say the poor aren't doing badly in this country.

Most of em don't pay any Fed income taxes yet they enyoy the largess of those of us that do.

They also have no need to change their life style. I mean why should they?? A free ride is much better than having to pay for anything.

Do you support ending all programs that aid the poor/low income Americans?

Will they then magically find prosperity somewhere? Or will they be more like the poor in the third world, in places like Africa, like the poor in India, or various other places where the government and those who are better off do little or nothing on behalf of the poor?

How does this program of neglect work exactly to make things better?

During the Depression there were no welfare programs as there are today. Did we become like Africa or India?

Americans are the most generous people in the world. We give more to charity than any other people. Partly because many of our rich were once poor themselves. End governmental programs. Stop paying people to be poor. Stop SSI for alcoholics and drug addicts. They grow to consider alcoholism and drug addiction as their means of making a living.

There you have it people. More confirmation. Conservatives would prefer us to return to the conditions of the Depression as it relates to poverty...

...we'll assume this idiot means pre-FDR actions conditions.

 

[rightwinger]

Thanks for the thread

Now I understand why so many people are lining up to be poor

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The figure of $6 trillion seems ridiculously high compared to the size of US GDP, indeed higher than total public sector expenditures.

And we have a winner. Well done.

Rather than appreciate that we enjoy a standard of life in America that even the poor enjoy, you folks would rather live like a third world country. The elites in their guarded communities with their servants and the peasants living in complete squalor with no electricity, running water, sanitation, food, housing or health care.

You have no problem giving corporations trillion dollar welfare, but some poor old woman, after working all her life, she can choose between having heat, food or medication.

ANOTHER WINNER!!!!!

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[Mr. Shaman]

Rather than appreciate that we enjoy a standard of life in America that even the poor enjoy, you folks would rather live like a third world country. The elites in their guarded communities with their servants and the peasants living in complete squalor with no electricity, running water, sanitation, food, housing or health care.

You have no problem giving corporations trillion dollar welfare, but some poor old woman, after working all her life, she can choose between having heat, food or medication.

No, idiot. We'd rather live like Americans, where many many people have great opportunities to become wealthy.....

....Like in.....

...TEXAS...

....right?

Anita Perry:
STILL Whining!!

 

[8537]

Life was much better for black people in the 50s than today.

^That right there is all we need to know. You should make that the Republican rallying cry to recruit blacks: Vote for us and we'll make it like 1950 all over again!

Of course no one could restore the integrity of the black community. They don't want it. They would rather have an illegitimacy rate of 80%, black men spending their most productive years committing crimes or being in prison. Black people would rather have their young murdering grandma for her social security check to use for crack. They don't mind children calling their mothers ho's. Most times that's what they are anyway. They have had a couple of generations to perfect victimhood. They got civil rights, but really lost their integrity as a people, individually and collectively. I remember 1950 and 1960. I remember black people as suffering but capable of honor. That's gone. It's true, blacks did not have it better in 1950. They were simply better people. Now their communities and families are destroyed. There is no safe haven even in their own homes. They lost that and life is much worse for black people today than it was in the 50s.

Was it a good trade off?

I remember the days of the civil rights movement. I remember them quite well. The anticipation was that blacks would have their rights as human beings restored to them and USE that for their benefit. No one expected the rallying cry of civil rights used to justify illegitimate births, robbery, murder and drug addiction.

Seriously, you should make this your rallying cry for the 2012 election! Blacks didn't use civil rights to their benefit! What a great campaign slogan. Shout it loud and proud to both black candidates in the presidential election.

But oh no - of COURSE there are no racists among the right. No sir-ree bob!

 

[rightwinger]

Still looking for any source justifying that bogus $6 trillion a year nonsense

 

[NYcarbineer]

If neglecting the poor works so well to make their lives better, according to conservatives, then why those same conservatives feel the need to build an electrice fence on our southern border to keep the Mexicans out?

Why are there so many poor people in Mexico? They neglect their poor. Why didn't it make them prosperous? They should be happy down there; they don't suffer the burden of a benevolent government giving them a helping hand.

Mexico should be a poverty paradise!!!!

 

[editec]

Link for Cut and Paste: How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America

Federal state and local spending on the poor totals $6 trillion a year, every year, year in and year out; apparently forever.

I'd like to see your math, please.

This means that every year the government spends, on the poor, 6 times what the the top 400 Americans have been able to accumulate over many generations.

So every cent spend by every government in the USA is spent ON THE POOR!?

You are a seriously confused individual.

Readers of the Heritage foundation's propaganda tend to be rather easily confused, I note.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Life was much better for black people in the 50s than today. Granted they had some severe limitations, racisim was rampant, cruel and harsh.

Black families had a mother and a father. Black on black crime was close to being non existent. Black girls did not have babies from multiple fathers without a clue as to which guy fathered which child. Black neighborhoods were safe. The strong family unit kept gangs from growing out of control. Gangs, drugs, prison and crime were not lifestyle choices.

Blacks got civil rights, good. After that, what they did with those civil rights, is worse than anything the KKK would have done.

Are ALL White-trash as.....

....History-challenged....

....as you??

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[Care4all]

Most of the poor today doesnt understand what its like to be truly poor. I grew up poor. I know what its like. My parents had 6 kids ( before birth control pills or abortion for your left wingers) and we lived in a 2 bedroom house that my grandmother gave to my mom. We had no hot water and had to boil our water to take a bath or wash dishes. We had no working toilet and my mom had to plunge and pour bleach water down the toilet to flush it. In the winter our house was cold and in the summer it was hot . No AC there. We got our first TV in the late 70s only because a friend gave us one. We had one used very old car that was always broke down to transport us 6 kids anywhere. We walked to church every sunday and walked to school until they decided to bus us. I laugh at most of the poor these days and that complain how much they dont have. They have cars and better housing that I ever would dream of. The house I am living in now , when I was younger I would have considered it to be a rich persons house even though we are very middle class..

It is ALL RELATIVE....the generation of poor before you, thought that you had no idea what it is really like to be poor.....

and this generation of poor will think the next generation of poor have no idea what it was like to be poor.....

that's just how it lays out....

As the society on the whole is improved and changes, so does the standard of what is considered poor....

 

[rightwinger]

Got to laugh at this one...Here is the Conservative view of the "wealth" of the poor

97 percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

78 percent have a VCR or DVD player.

62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

89 percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

Color TV? VCR? Microwave?
I can pick those up laying at the curb

What next conservatives? You going to complain that they have running water?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Life was much better for black people in the 50s than today.

^That right there is all we need to know. You should make that the Republican rallying cry to recruit blacks: Vote for us and we'll make it like 1950 all over again!

Ah, yes.....the good ol' days....as-long-as you were White....

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[Ernie S.]

Yeah I'd say the poor aren't doing badly in this country.

Most of em don't pay any Fed income taxes yet they enyoy the largess of those of us that do.

They also have no need to change their life style. I mean why should they?? A free ride is much better than having to pay for anything.

Do you support ending all programs that aid the poor/low income Americans?

Will they then magically find prosperity somewhere? Or will they be more like the poor in the third world, in places like Africa, like the poor in India, or various other places where the government and those who are better off do little or nothing on behalf of the poor?

How does this program of neglect work exactly to make things better?

I would reset the bar. I have no problem helping out those who really need it, but I'll be damned if I'll buy you a 50" plasma when you are capable of feeding your kids by doing without a few luxuries.

 

[The Rabbi]

Life was much better for black people in the 50s than today.

^That right there is all we need to know. You should make that the Republican rallying cry to recruit blacks: Vote for us and we'll make it like 1950 all over again!

You are completely ignorant. Tipsy is right: the stats for family life for blacks in the 1950s was much better. They were also making greater economic gains than they have in the last 30 years.
But you are a leftist racist who wants to keep them ******* down in the ghetto voting D.

 

[Care4all]

Link for Cut and Paste: How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America


Federal state and local spending on the poor totals $6 trillion a year, every year, year in and year out; apparently forever. This means that every year the government spends, on the poor, 6 times what the the top 400 Americans have been able to accumulate over many generations. Or, not to confuse liberals, this means the poor have, in effect, a net wealth of $100 trillion in order that the government can generate $6 trillion yearly from it in welfare payments of various sorts for the poor. $100 trillion is far more than $1.5 trillion( the net worth of the top 400 Americans).


And lets not forget that America's poor are rich in other ways beyond what liberal welfare provides:

The following are facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau, taken from a variety of government reports:

46 percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

Only six percent of poor households are overcrowded; two thirds have more than two rooms per person.

The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)


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where the heck does the $6 trillion spent on welfare/the poor come from? that is utter bull crap.

The entire united states economy for the year this article was writen, in 2007 was 13 trillion TOTAL and YOU are claiming 6 trillion of that is WELFARE spending by the gvts? hahahahahahahahaha! Sorry kiddo, I don't buy that for one nano second!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yeah I'd say the poor aren't doing badly in this country.

Most of em don't pay any Fed income taxes yet they enyoy the largess of those of us that do.

They also have no need to change their life style. I mean why should they?? A free ride is much better than having to pay for anything.

Do you support ending all programs that aid the poor/low income Americans?

Will they then magically find prosperity somewhere? Or will they be more like the poor in the third world, in places like Africa, like the poor in India, or various other places where the government and those who are better off do little or nothing on behalf of the poor?

How does this program of neglect work exactly to make things better?

I would reset the bar. I have no problem helping out those who really need it, but I'll be damned if I'll buy you a 50" plasma when you are capable of feeding your kids by doing without a few luxuries.

Yeah, 'cause.....everybody knows how desperate poor-Blacks (especially the ones on welfare) are, for 50" plasmas, right??

 

[Claudette]

Yeah I'd say the poor aren't doing badly in this country.

Most of em don't pay any Fed income taxes yet they enyoy the largess of those of us that do.

They also have no need to change their life style. I mean why should they?? A free ride is much better than having to pay for anything.

Do you support ending all programs that aid the poor/low income Americans?

Will they then magically find prosperity somewhere? Or will they be more like the poor in the third world, in places like Africa, like the poor in India, or various other places where the government and those who are better off do little or nothing on behalf of the poor?

How does this program of neglect work exactly to make things better?

Yes I do support ending all programs. The more you give folks the more they want. If it were just a case of a helping hand that would be one thing. Unfortuntely once they sign on for the freebies they dont' want to stop. Why should they??

Before the 30's there was no welfare. People had it hard but they survived. My parents grew up during the depression and they survived. Nobody depended on the Govt to take care of em. They took care of themselves. In fact my parents would have laughed to think that the Govt was going to provide for them.

Today we have generations that depend on the Govt for their livlihood. They could care less where the money comes from as long as it comes. They have no incentive to live any other way.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Life was much better for black people in the 50s than today.

^That right there is all we need to know. You should make that the Republican rallying cry to recruit blacks: Vote for us and we'll make it like 1950 all over again!

Of course no one could restore the integrity of the black community. They don't want it. They would rather have an illegitimacy rate of 80%, black men spending their most productive years committing crimes or being in prison. Black people would rather have their young murdering grandma for her social security check to use for crack. They don't mind children calling their mothers ho's. Most times that's what they are anyway. They have had a couple of generations to perfect victimhood. They got civil rights, but really lost their integrity as a people, individually and collectively. I remember 1950 and 1960. I remember black people as suffering but capable of honor. That's gone. It's true, blacks did not have it better in 1950. They were simply better people. Now their communities and families are destroyed. There is no safe haven even in their own homes. They lost that and life is much worse for black people today than it was in the 50s.

Was it a good trade off?

I remember the days of the civil rights movement. I remember them quite well. The anticipation was that blacks would have their rights as human beings restored to them and USE that for their benefit. No one expected the rallying cry of civil rights used to justify illegitimate births, robbery, murder and drug addiction.

You forgot to say.....

"God Bless America."​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yeah I'd say the poor aren't doing badly in this country.

Most of em don't pay any Fed income taxes yet they enyoy the largess of those of us that do.

They also have no need to change their life style. I mean why should they?? A free ride is much better than having to pay for anything.

You seem awfully well-versed on being poor & lazy.

(Bragging is still bad-form, though.)​

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yeah I'd say the poor aren't doing badly in this country.

Most of em don't pay any Fed income taxes yet they enyoy the largess of those of us that do.

They also have no need to change their life style. I mean why should they?? A free ride is much better than having to pay for anything.

Do you support ending all programs that aid the poor/low income Americans?

Will they then magically find prosperity somewhere? Or will they be more like the poor in the third world, in places like Africa, like the poor in India, or various other places where the government and those who are better off do little or nothing on behalf of the poor?

How does this program of neglect work exactly to make things better?

Yes I do support ending all programs. The more you give folks the more they want. If it were just a case of a helping hand that would be one thing. Unfortuntely once they sign on for the freebies they dont' want to stop. Why should they??

Before the 30's there was no welfare. People had it hard but they survived. My parents grew up during the depression and they survived. Nobody depended on the Govt to take care of em. They took care of themselves. In fact my parents would have laughed to think that the Govt was going to provide for them.

Today we have generations that depend on the Govt for their livlihood. They could care less where the money comes from as long as it comes. They have no incentive to live any other way.

Ok, so in your world, no children get healthcare if their parents are too poor to pay for it because there will be no more Medicaid.

How will that make America a better place?