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Understanding The Book of Revelation from a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint perspective

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In the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John is shown a vision of a book that is sealed on its backside with seven seals. Nobody but the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, was able to open the book and loose the seven seals. Chapter six tells of what is contained in the book as each seal is opened. In these latter-days the Prophet Joseph Smith received revelation telling us what the book and its seven seals represent:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From the above verses, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the temporal existence of the earth will last 7000 years. This means that from the fall of Adam and Eve until the end of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, will be 7000 years. We believe that this patterns the temporal existence of the earth similar to the seven periods of creation. We believe that each of the seven seals on the backside of the book represent each of the consecutive 1000 year periods of the earth's temporal existence. The seventh seal represents the seventh thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence or the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. It is like a sabbath of the earth's temporal existence. Thus the opening of the book in Revelation 6-7 gives us a summation of the earth during its first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth thousand year periods. The following chapters of the Book of Revelation, excepting chapter 12, tells us of the events of the seventh thousand year period of this earth's temporal existence and of the earth being changed to a celestial sphere

To Joseph Smith, it was also revealed that the events of chapter 7 were to occur in the sixth seal or the sixth thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:9-11
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.

11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.

It is my personal belief that we are currently living in the last days of the sixth seal or six thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence. The Lord Jesus is to come again on the earth after the opening of the seventh seal. It is my personal belief that the sixth seal will end around 2033 or 2034. More on this in a subsequent post.

Stone granaries in Jordan are 14,000 years old and monuments in Saudi Arabia are 8,000 years old. Cave paintings in France are 30,000 years old.

It all depends on who one talks to and exactly what they are basing their dates upon. And it is MOST likely that a world wide flood would have corrupted the evidence and thrown any dating measurements out of wack. But then who what to believe a WORLD WIDE FLOOD happened?

Oldest known granaries found near Dead Sea​

By THOMAS H. MAUGH II
JUNE 27, 2009 12 AM PT
More than 1,000 years before humans began domesticating grains for food, they were building sophisticated storage buildings to hold the wild grains they were cultivating, researchers reported Monday.
Collecting large quantities of grains and other foods is a prerequisite to establishing sizable communities, but such collection requires a system to store the perishables so they can be kept for months at least. The new find reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences represents the oldest known storage system or granary to date -- about 11,300 years old.
The earliest known domestication of cereal grains was thought to have occurred about 10,500 years ago.
Four granaries were discovered in the settlement of Dhra’ near the Dead Sea in what is now Jordan by archaeologists Ian Kuijt of the University of Notre Dame and Bill Finlayson of the Council for British Research in the Levant in Amman, Jordan. The granaries were among 10 buildings found at the village, which was occupied for about 100 years. The other buildings appear to have been used as dwellings and food processing sites.

The oval buildings, about 9 feet in diameter and 9 feet high, had mud floors and walls of stone and mud bricks.
The best preserved granary shows unusually sophisticated engineering. Notched stones set upright in the floor of the building, about 1 to 1 1/2 feet high, presumably supported wooden beams, which spanned the structure. These beams were then covered with plants and mud to create a raised floor that enabled air to circulate through the stored grains, keeping them dry. The raised floor also protected the food from rodents.
Dating indicates that the original granary was used for about 50 years, then a second granary was built on its remains and also used for half a century. Traces of wild barley were found in the building.
The granaries were presumably shared by the entire village. The communal sharing did not persist, however. Excavations at later sites in the region show that storage shifted to individual dwellings.

“The most important implication of our findings,” the scientists wrote, “is that fundamental social changes occurred before plant domestication, including the establishment of fairly permanent settlements with communal labor and storage, based on cultivated wild plants.”
 

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In the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John is shown a vision of a book that is sealed on its backside with seven seals. Nobody but the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, was able to open the book and loose the seven seals. Chapter six tells of what is contained in the book as each seal is opened. In these latter-days the Prophet Joseph Smith received revelation telling us what the book and its seven seals represent:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From the above verses, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the temporal existence of the earth will last 7000 years. This means that from the fall of Adam and Eve until the end of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, will be 7000 years. We believe that this patterns the temporal existence of the earth similar to the seven periods of creation. We believe that each of the seven seals on the backside of the book represent each of the consecutive 1000 year periods of the earth's temporal existence. The seventh seal represents the seventh thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence or the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. It is like a sabbath of the earth's temporal existence. Thus the opening of the book in Revelation 6-7 gives us a summation of the earth during its first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth thousand year periods. The following chapters of the Book of Revelation, excepting chapter 12, tells us of the events of the seventh thousand year period of this earth's temporal existence and of the earth being changed to a celestial sphere

To Joseph Smith, it was also revealed that the events of chapter 7 were to occur in the sixth seal or the sixth thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:9-11
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.

11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.

It is my personal belief that we are currently living in the last days of the sixth seal or six thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence. The Lord Jesus is to come again on the earth after the opening of the seventh seal. It is my personal belief that the sixth seal will end around 2033 or 2034. More on this in a subsequent post.

Stone granaries in Jordan are 14,000 years old and monuments in Saudi Arabia are 8,000 years old. Cave paintings in France are 30,000 years old.

It all depends on who one talks to and exactly what they are basing their dates upon. And it is MOST likely that a world wide flood would have corrupted the evidence and thrown any dating measurements out of wack. But then who what to believe a WORLD WIDE FLOOD happened?

Oldest known granaries found near Dead Sea​

By THOMAS H. MAUGH II
JUNE 27, 2009 12 AM PT
More than 1,000 years before humans began domesticating grains for food, they were building sophisticated storage buildings to hold the wild grains they were cultivating, researchers reported Monday.
Collecting large quantities of grains and other foods is a prerequisite to establishing sizable communities, but such collection requires a system to store the perishables so they can be kept for months at least. The new find reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences represents the oldest known storage system or granary to date -- about 11,300 years old.
The earliest known domestication of cereal grains was thought to have occurred about 10,500 years ago.
Four granaries were discovered in the settlement of Dhra’ near the Dead Sea in what is now Jordan by archaeologists Ian Kuijt of the University of Notre Dame and Bill Finlayson of the Council for British Research in the Levant in Amman, Jordan. The granaries were among 10 buildings found at the village, which was occupied for about 100 years. The other buildings appear to have been used as dwellings and food processing sites.

The oval buildings, about 9 feet in diameter and 9 feet high, had mud floors and walls of stone and mud bricks.
The best preserved granary shows unusually sophisticated engineering. Notched stones set upright in the floor of the building, about 1 to 1 1/2 feet high, presumably supported wooden beams, which spanned the structure. These beams were then covered with plants and mud to create a raised floor that enabled air to circulate through the stored grains, keeping them dry. The raised floor also protected the food from rodents.
Dating indicates that the original granary was used for about 50 years, then a second granary was built on its remains and also used for half a century. Traces of wild barley were found in the building.
The granaries were presumably shared by the entire village. The communal sharing did not persist, however. Excavations at later sites in the region show that storage shifted to individual dwellings.

“The most important implication of our findings,” the scientists wrote, “is that fundamental social changes occurred before plant domestication, including the establishment of fairly permanent settlements with communal labor and storage, based on cultivated wild plants.”

There was no world wide flood. The Hebrews borrowed that story from Babylon when they were in exile.
 
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The Apostle Peter taught the following:

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe this teaching of Peter. When you take a look at the story of the seven days of creation, you will notice that it is not until the fourth day of creation that the sun and moon are created and placed in relation to the earth.

Genesis 1:14-19
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

This would mean that at the very least, the first 3 or 4 days of creation were not a day as we know it. It is likely one day unto the Lord or a 1000 year period. Latter-day revelation has revealed this to be true. In fact all seven days of the creation were each a day unto the Lord and 1000 years each according to our days. Adam was not given his time of reckoning until after the days of creation.

Abraham 3:4
4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.

Abraham 5:13​

13 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning.

This verse tells us that not only were the seven days of creation according to the Lord's time, but it also tells us that when Adam died at 930 years of age according to our time, he actually died the very day that he partook of the forbidden fruit according to the Lord's time. So not only was the creation after the Lord's time but the temporal existence of this earth is also seven days according to the Lord's time or 7000 years according to our current reckoning.
 
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In the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John is shown a vision of a book that is sealed on its backside with seven seals. Nobody but the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, was able to open the book and loose the seven seals. Chapter six tells of what is contained in the book as each seal is opened. In these latter-days the Prophet Joseph Smith received revelation telling us what the book and its seven seals represent:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From the above verses, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the temporal existence of the earth will last 7000 years. This means that from the fall of Adam and Eve until the end of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, will be 7000 years. We believe that this patterns the temporal existence of the earth similar to the seven periods of creation. We believe that each of the seven seals on the backside of the book represent each of the consecutive 1000 year periods of the earth's temporal existence. The seventh seal represents the seventh thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence or the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. It is like a sabbath of the earth's temporal existence. Thus the opening of the book in Revelation 6-7 gives us a summation of the earth during its first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth thousand year periods. The following chapters of the Book of Revelation, excepting chapter 12, tells us of the events of the seventh thousand year period of this earth's temporal existence and of the earth being changed to a celestial sphere

To Joseph Smith, it was also revealed that the events of chapter 7 were to occur in the sixth seal or the sixth thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:9-11
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.

11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.

It is my personal belief that we are currently living in the last days of the sixth seal or six thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence. The Lord Jesus is to come again on the earth after the opening of the seventh seal. It is my personal belief that the sixth seal will end around 2033 or 2034. More on this in a subsequent post.

Stone granaries in Jordan are 14,000 years old and monuments in Saudi Arabia are 8,000 years old. Cave paintings in France are 30,000 years old.

It all depends on who one talks to and exactly what they are basing their dates upon. And it is MOST likely that a world wide flood would have corrupted the evidence and thrown any dating measurements out of wack. But then who what to believe a WORLD WIDE FLOOD happened?

Oldest known granaries found near Dead Sea​

By THOMAS H. MAUGH II
JUNE 27, 2009 12 AM PT
More than 1,000 years before humans began domesticating grains for food, they were building sophisticated storage buildings to hold the wild grains they were cultivating, researchers reported Monday.
Collecting large quantities of grains and other foods is a prerequisite to establishing sizable communities, but such collection requires a system to store the perishables so they can be kept for months at least. The new find reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences represents the oldest known storage system or granary to date -- about 11,300 years old.
The earliest known domestication of cereal grains was thought to have occurred about 10,500 years ago.
Four granaries were discovered in the settlement of Dhra’ near the Dead Sea in what is now Jordan by archaeologists Ian Kuijt of the University of Notre Dame and Bill Finlayson of the Council for British Research in the Levant in Amman, Jordan. The granaries were among 10 buildings found at the village, which was occupied for about 100 years. The other buildings appear to have been used as dwellings and food processing sites.

The oval buildings, about 9 feet in diameter and 9 feet high, had mud floors and walls of stone and mud bricks.
The best preserved granary shows unusually sophisticated engineering. Notched stones set upright in the floor of the building, about 1 to 1 1/2 feet high, presumably supported wooden beams, which spanned the structure. These beams were then covered with plants and mud to create a raised floor that enabled air to circulate through the stored grains, keeping them dry. The raised floor also protected the food from rodents.
Dating indicates that the original granary was used for about 50 years, then a second granary was built on its remains and also used for half a century. Traces of wild barley were found in the building.
The granaries were presumably shared by the entire village. The communal sharing did not persist, however. Excavations at later sites in the region show that storage shifted to individual dwellings.

“The most important implication of our findings,” the scientists wrote, “is that fundamental social changes occurred before plant domestication, including the establishment of fairly permanent settlements with communal labor and storage, based on cultivated wild plants.”

There was no world wide flood. The Hebrews borrowed that story from Babylon when they were in exile.
Yes, there was a World Wide Flood. The entire planet has gone through so much that it aged drastically as a result (which confuses research that fails to incorporate this historic event). And the Babylonian Epic was simply a written story formulated from an even earlier oral tradition. GOD gave to Moses the truth, weeding out all the nonsense and leaving the historical meat of the story. Moses was raised as the son of an Egyptian princess and therefore had been exposed to all the various traditions that existed in the royal libraries.
 

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5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
So is there a Book of Enoch that was lost in the original language, but a translation was preserved for posterity?
 

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In the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John is shown a vision of a book that is sealed on its backside with seven seals. Nobody but the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, was able to open the book and loose the seven seals. Chapter six tells of what is contained in the book as each seal is opened. In these latter-days the Prophet Joseph Smith received revelation telling us what the book and its seven seals represent:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From the above verses, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the temporal existence of the earth will last 7000 years. This means that from the fall of Adam and Eve until the end of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, will be 7000 years. We believe that this patterns the temporal existence of the earth similar to the seven periods of creation. We believe that each of the seven seals on the backside of the book represent each of the consecutive 1000 year periods of the earth's temporal existence. The seventh seal represents the seventh thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence or the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. It is like a sabbath of the earth's temporal existence. Thus the opening of the book in Revelation 6-7 gives us a summation of the earth during its first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth thousand year periods. The following chapters of the Book of Revelation, excepting chapter 12, tells us of the events of the seventh thousand year period of this earth's temporal existence and of the earth being changed to a celestial sphere

To Joseph Smith, it was also revealed that the events of chapter 7 were to occur in the sixth seal or the sixth thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:9-11
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.

11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.

It is my personal belief that we are currently living in the last days of the sixth seal or six thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence. The Lord Jesus is to come again on the earth after the opening of the seventh seal. It is my personal belief that the sixth seal will end around 2033 or 2034. More on this in a subsequent post.

Stone granaries in Jordan are 14,000 years old and monuments in Saudi Arabia are 8,000 years old. Cave paintings in France are 30,000 years old.

It all depends on who one talks to and exactly what they are basing their dates upon. And it is MOST likely that a world wide flood would have corrupted the evidence and thrown any dating measurements out of wack. But then who what to believe a WORLD WIDE FLOOD happened?

Oldest known granaries found near Dead Sea​

By THOMAS H. MAUGH II
JUNE 27, 2009 12 AM PT
More than 1,000 years before humans began domesticating grains for food, they were building sophisticated storage buildings to hold the wild grains they were cultivating, researchers reported Monday.
Collecting large quantities of grains and other foods is a prerequisite to establishing sizable communities, but such collection requires a system to store the perishables so they can be kept for months at least. The new find reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences represents the oldest known storage system or granary to date -- about 11,300 years old.
The earliest known domestication of cereal grains was thought to have occurred about 10,500 years ago.
Four granaries were discovered in the settlement of Dhra’ near the Dead Sea in what is now Jordan by archaeologists Ian Kuijt of the University of Notre Dame and Bill Finlayson of the Council for British Research in the Levant in Amman, Jordan. The granaries were among 10 buildings found at the village, which was occupied for about 100 years. The other buildings appear to have been used as dwellings and food processing sites.

The oval buildings, about 9 feet in diameter and 9 feet high, had mud floors and walls of stone and mud bricks.
The best preserved granary shows unusually sophisticated engineering. Notched stones set upright in the floor of the building, about 1 to 1 1/2 feet high, presumably supported wooden beams, which spanned the structure. These beams were then covered with plants and mud to create a raised floor that enabled air to circulate through the stored grains, keeping them dry. The raised floor also protected the food from rodents.
Dating indicates that the original granary was used for about 50 years, then a second granary was built on its remains and also used for half a century. Traces of wild barley were found in the building.
The granaries were presumably shared by the entire village. The communal sharing did not persist, however. Excavations at later sites in the region show that storage shifted to individual dwellings.

“The most important implication of our findings,” the scientists wrote, “is that fundamental social changes occurred before plant domestication, including the establishment of fairly permanent settlements with communal labor and storage, based on cultivated wild plants.”

There was no world wide flood. The Hebrews borrowed that story from Babylon when they were in exile.
Yes, there was a World Wide Flood. The entire planet has gone through so much that it aged drastically as a result (which confuses research that fails to incorporate this historic event). And the Babylonian Epic was simply a written story formulated from an even earlier oral tradition. GOD gave to Moses the truth, weeding out all the nonsense and leaving the historical meat of the story. Moses was raised as the son of an Egyptian princess and therefore had been exposed to all the various traditions that existed in the royal libraries.

There is NO world wide footprint of flood sediment. Many places on earth were never flooded.

The flood is taken from a Sumerian story about a 4 day flood of the Euphrates River Basin that was caused by Spring snowmelt from the Zagros Mountains combined with Spring rains in 2900 BC . The flood
footprint is 150 miles wide and 300 miles south to the Persian Gulf.

A king of Sumer was hauling grain, beer and livestock downriver on barges that broke loose and ended up in the Persian Gulf at Bahrain.
 

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5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
So is there a Book of Enoch that was lost in the original language, but a translation was preserved for posterity?

The book of Enoch was written quite late and was found in Ethiopia. It was written around 200 BC just before the Book of Daniel.. It was pre Maccabbean.
 

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The Apostle Peter taught the following:

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe this teaching of Peter. When you take a look at the story of the seven days of creation, you will notice that it is not until the fourth day of creation that the sun and moon are created and placed in relation to the earth.

Genesis 1:14-19
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

This would mean that at the very least, the first 3 or 4 days of creation were not a day as we know it. It is likely one day unto the Lord or a 1000 year period. Latter-day revelation has revealed this to be true. In fact all seven days of the creation were each a day unto the Lord and 1000 years each according to our days. Adam was not given his time of reckoning until after the days of creation.
As one reads GOD's Holy Bible, one often finds additional information that enlightens other portions of HIS Holy Bible. I have come to the understanding that the original earth that existed before the FALL of Adam & Eve; as well as, the FLOOD was a different environment. And that GOD does intend to bring HIS creation back to where HE intended it to be. That said, a clue to how the original earth likely was exists in the book of Revelation Chapter 21

1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, a for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying:

“Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man,

and He will dwell with them.

They will be His people,

and God Himself will be with them as their God.b

4‘He will wipe away every tear from their eyes,’c

and there will be no more death

or mourning or crying or pain,

for the former things have passed away.”

5 And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.” 6 And He told me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life. 7 The one who overcomes will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.

8 But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.”

9 Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven final plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city of Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11 shining with the glory of God. Its radiance was like a most precious jewel, like a jasper, as clear as crystal. 12 The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve angels at the gates. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south, and three on the west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations bearing the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The angel who spoke with me had a golden measuring rod to measure the city and its gates and walls. 16 The city lies foursquare, with its width the same as its length. And he measured the city with the rod, and all its dimensions were equal—12,000 stadiad in length and width and height. 17 And he measured its wall to be 144 cubits,e by the human measure the angel was using.18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city itself of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19 The foundations of the city walls were adorned with every kind of precious stone:

The first foundation was jasper,
the second sapphire,
the third chalcedony,
the fourth emerald,
20 the fifth sardonyx,
the sixth carnelian,
the seventh chrysolite,
the eighth beryl,
the ninth topaz,
the tenth chrysoprase,
the eleventh jacinth,
and the twelfth amethyst.

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls, with each gate consisting of a single pearl. The main street of the city was pure gold, as clear as glass.

22 But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 By its light the nations will walk, and into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory. 25 Its gates will never be shut at the end of the day, because there will be no night there.

26
And into the city will be brought the glory and honor of the nations. 27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who practices an abomination or a lie, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.
 

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In the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John is shown a vision of a book that is sealed on its backside with seven seals. Nobody but the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, was able to open the book and loose the seven seals. Chapter six tells of what is contained in the book as each seal is opened. In these latter-days the Prophet Joseph Smith received revelation telling us what the book and its seven seals represent:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From the above verses, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the temporal existence of the earth will last 7000 years. This means that from the fall of Adam and Eve until the end of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, will be 7000 years. We believe that this patterns the temporal existence of the earth similar to the seven periods of creation. We believe that each of the seven seals on the backside of the book represent each of the consecutive 1000 year periods of the earth's temporal existence. The seventh seal represents the seventh thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence or the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. It is like a sabbath of the earth's temporal existence. Thus the opening of the book in Revelation 6-7 gives us a summation of the earth during its first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth thousand year periods. The following chapters of the Book of Revelation, excepting chapter 12, tells us of the events of the seventh thousand year period of this earth's temporal existence and of the earth being changed to a celestial sphere

To Joseph Smith, it was also revealed that the events of chapter 7 were to occur in the sixth seal or the sixth thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:9-11
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.

11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.

It is my personal belief that we are currently living in the last days of the sixth seal or six thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence. The Lord Jesus is to come again on the earth after the opening of the seventh seal. It is my personal belief that the sixth seal will end around 2033 or 2034. More on this in a subsequent post.

Stone granaries in Jordan are 14,000 years old and monuments in Saudi Arabia are 8,000 years old. Cave paintings in France are 30,000 years old.

It all depends on who one talks to and exactly what they are basing their dates upon. And it is MOST likely that a world wide flood would have corrupted the evidence and thrown any dating measurements out of wack. But then who what to believe a WORLD WIDE FLOOD happened?

Oldest known granaries found near Dead Sea​

By THOMAS H. MAUGH II
JUNE 27, 2009 12 AM PT
More than 1,000 years before humans began domesticating grains for food, they were building sophisticated storage buildings to hold the wild grains they were cultivating, researchers reported Monday.
Collecting large quantities of grains and other foods is a prerequisite to establishing sizable communities, but such collection requires a system to store the perishables so they can be kept for months at least. The new find reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences represents the oldest known storage system or granary to date -- about 11,300 years old.
The earliest known domestication of cereal grains was thought to have occurred about 10,500 years ago.
Four granaries were discovered in the settlement of Dhra’ near the Dead Sea in what is now Jordan by archaeologists Ian Kuijt of the University of Notre Dame and Bill Finlayson of the Council for British Research in the Levant in Amman, Jordan. The granaries were among 10 buildings found at the village, which was occupied for about 100 years. The other buildings appear to have been used as dwellings and food processing sites.

The oval buildings, about 9 feet in diameter and 9 feet high, had mud floors and walls of stone and mud bricks.
The best preserved granary shows unusually sophisticated engineering. Notched stones set upright in the floor of the building, about 1 to 1 1/2 feet high, presumably supported wooden beams, which spanned the structure. These beams were then covered with plants and mud to create a raised floor that enabled air to circulate through the stored grains, keeping them dry. The raised floor also protected the food from rodents.
Dating indicates that the original granary was used for about 50 years, then a second granary was built on its remains and also used for half a century. Traces of wild barley were found in the building.
The granaries were presumably shared by the entire village. The communal sharing did not persist, however. Excavations at later sites in the region show that storage shifted to individual dwellings.

“The most important implication of our findings,” the scientists wrote, “is that fundamental social changes occurred before plant domestication, including the establishment of fairly permanent settlements with communal labor and storage, based on cultivated wild plants.”

There was no world wide flood. The Hebrews borrowed that story from Babylon when they were in exile.
Yes, there was a World Wide Flood. The entire planet has gone through so much that it aged drastically as a result (which confuses research that fails to incorporate this historic event). And the Babylonian Epic was simply a written story formulated from an even earlier oral tradition. GOD gave to Moses the truth, weeding out all the nonsense and leaving the historical meat of the story. Moses was raised as the son of an Egyptian princess and therefore had been exposed to all the various traditions that existed in the royal libraries.

There is NO world wide footprint of flood sediment. Many places on earth were never flooded.

The flood is taken from a Sumerian story about a 4 day flood of the Euphrates River Basin that was caused by Spring snowmelt from the Zagros Mountains combined with Spring rains in 2900 BC . The flood
footprint is 150 miles wide and 300 miles south to the Persian Gulf.

A king of Sumer was hauling grain, beer and livestock downriver on barges that broke loose and ended up in the Persian Gulf at Bahrain.
Just because something is submerged doesn't mean that there will be sediment. Often bedrock is exposed where the surface has been stripped away.

Please consider the following essay: Geological Evidences for a Flood
 
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In the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John is shown a vision of a book that is sealed on its backside with seven seals. Nobody but the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, was able to open the book and loose the seven seals. Chapter six tells of what is contained in the book as each seal is opened. In these latter-days the Prophet Joseph Smith received revelation telling us what the book and its seven seals represent:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From the above verses, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the temporal existence of the earth will last 7000 years. This means that from the fall of Adam and Eve until the end of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, will be 7000 years. We believe that this patterns the temporal existence of the earth similar to the seven periods of creation. We believe that each of the seven seals on the backside of the book represent each of the consecutive 1000 year periods of the earth's temporal existence. The seventh seal represents the seventh thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence or the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. It is like a sabbath of the earth's temporal existence. Thus the opening of the book in Revelation 6-7 gives us a summation of the earth during its first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth thousand year periods. The following chapters of the Book of Revelation, excepting chapter 12, tells us of the events of the seventh thousand year period of this earth's temporal existence and of the earth being changed to a celestial sphere

To Joseph Smith, it was also revealed that the events of chapter 7 were to occur in the sixth seal or the sixth thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:9-11
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.

11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.

It is my personal belief that we are currently living in the last days of the sixth seal or six thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence. The Lord Jesus is to come again on the earth after the opening of the seventh seal. It is my personal belief that the sixth seal will end around 2033 or 2034. More on this in a subsequent post.

Stone granaries in Jordan are 14,000 years old and monuments in Saudi Arabia are 8,000 years old. Cave paintings in France are 30,000 years old.

That would be according to carbon 14 dating. To believe those dates you would have to believe that carbon 14 dating is accurate. I personally believe that carbon 14 dating has too many assumptions that are not true and too many shown problems.


Same with DNA dating; most of it is increasingly nebulous and inaccurate after 5,000 years, and that is for good samples. It also relies on a myth that the simpler the DNA molecules, the older they must be in a timeline, clearly not a fact but an assumption.
 

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In the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John is shown a vision of a book that is sealed on its backside with seven seals. Nobody but the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, was able to open the book and loose the seven seals. Chapter six tells of what is contained in the book as each seal is opened. In these latter-days the Prophet Joseph Smith received revelation telling us what the book and its seven seals represent:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From the above verses, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the temporal existence of the earth will last 7000 years. This means that from the fall of Adam and Eve until the end of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, will be 7000 years. We believe that this patterns the temporal existence of the earth similar to the seven periods of creation. We believe that each of the seven seals on the backside of the book represent each of the consecutive 1000 year periods of the earth's temporal existence. The seventh seal represents the seventh thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence or the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. It is like a sabbath of the earth's temporal existence. Thus the opening of the book in Revelation 6-7 gives us a summation of the earth during its first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth thousand year periods. The following chapters of the Book of Revelation, excepting chapter 12, tells us of the events of the seventh thousand year period of this earth's temporal existence and of the earth being changed to a celestial sphere

To Joseph Smith, it was also revealed that the events of chapter 7 were to occur in the sixth seal or the sixth thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:9-11
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.

11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.

It is my personal belief that we are currently living in the last days of the sixth seal or six thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence. The Lord Jesus is to come again on the earth after the opening of the seventh seal. It is my personal belief that the sixth seal will end around 2033 or 2034. More on this in a subsequent post.

Stone granaries in Jordan are 14,000 years old and monuments in Saudi Arabia are 8,000 years old. Cave paintings in France are 30,000 years old.

It all depends on who one talks to and exactly what they are basing their dates upon. And it is MOST likely that a world wide flood would have corrupted the evidence and thrown any dating measurements out of wack. But then who what to believe a WORLD WIDE FLOOD happened?

Oldest known granaries found near Dead Sea​

By THOMAS H. MAUGH II
JUNE 27, 2009 12 AM PT
More than 1,000 years before humans began domesticating grains for food, they were building sophisticated storage buildings to hold the wild grains they were cultivating, researchers reported Monday.
Collecting large quantities of grains and other foods is a prerequisite to establishing sizable communities, but such collection requires a system to store the perishables so they can be kept for months at least. The new find reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences represents the oldest known storage system or granary to date -- about 11,300 years old.
The earliest known domestication of cereal grains was thought to have occurred about 10,500 years ago.
Four granaries were discovered in the settlement of Dhra’ near the Dead Sea in what is now Jordan by archaeologists Ian Kuijt of the University of Notre Dame and Bill Finlayson of the Council for British Research in the Levant in Amman, Jordan. The granaries were among 10 buildings found at the village, which was occupied for about 100 years. The other buildings appear to have been used as dwellings and food processing sites.

The oval buildings, about 9 feet in diameter and 9 feet high, had mud floors and walls of stone and mud bricks.
The best preserved granary shows unusually sophisticated engineering. Notched stones set upright in the floor of the building, about 1 to 1 1/2 feet high, presumably supported wooden beams, which spanned the structure. These beams were then covered with plants and mud to create a raised floor that enabled air to circulate through the stored grains, keeping them dry. The raised floor also protected the food from rodents.
Dating indicates that the original granary was used for about 50 years, then a second granary was built on its remains and also used for half a century. Traces of wild barley were found in the building.
The granaries were presumably shared by the entire village. The communal sharing did not persist, however. Excavations at later sites in the region show that storage shifted to individual dwellings.

“The most important implication of our findings,” the scientists wrote, “is that fundamental social changes occurred before plant domestication, including the establishment of fairly permanent settlements with communal labor and storage, based on cultivated wild plants.”

There was no world wide flood. The Hebrews borrowed that story from Babylon when they were in exile.
Yes, there was a World Wide Flood. The entire planet has gone through so much that it aged drastically as a result (which confuses research that fails to incorporate this historic event). And the Babylonian Epic was simply a written story formulated from an even earlier oral tradition. GOD gave to Moses the truth, weeding out all the nonsense and leaving the historical meat of the story. Moses was raised as the son of an Egyptian princess and therefore had been exposed to all the various traditions that existed in the royal libraries.

There is NO world wide footprint of flood sediment. Many places on earth were never flooded.

The flood is taken from a Sumerian story about a 4 day flood of the Euphrates River Basin that was caused by Spring snowmelt from the Zagros Mountains combined with Spring rains in 2900 BC . The flood
footprint is 150 miles wide and 300 miles south to the Persian Gulf.

A king of Sumer was hauling grain, beer and livestock downriver on barges that broke loose and ended up in the Persian Gulf at Bahrain.
Just because something is submerged doesn't mean that there will be sediment. Often bedrock is exposed where the surface has been stripped away.

Please consider the following essay: Geological Evidences for a Flood

Not very convincing.. Who is Walter Brown?

The Euphrates river basin is very flat .. NO mountains.
 

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Walt Brown (creationist) - Infogalactic: the planetary ...
Walter T. Brown (Aug 1937) is a young earth creationist, who is the director of his own ministry called the Center for Scientific Creation. The Skeptic's Dictionary considers him to be one of the leaders of the creation science movement. [1]

Walter Brown's Hydroplate Model Doesn't Hold Water
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Introduction Walter Brown, a young-earth creationist and retired mechanical engineer, has developed a "Flood model" 1 which he believes accounts for virtually all geologic evidence on earth, as well as a variety of astronomical phenomena. His central thesis is that only a few thousand years ago the Earth's entire crust consisted of a granite slab 20 to 60 miles thick (until recently, claimed ...
 

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Did you actually read your link? In Judaism Daniel is not considered a prophet, but an historian. Daniel was NOT written by one man. The writers used the Ugaritic text Dan'el which is 1500 years older as the setting for the narrative.

None of which anybody cares about, since it is the age of the book that is in question, not how you can spin bullshit in your lying about biblical issues and Christianity and Judasim.
 

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In the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John is shown a vision of a book that is sealed on its backside with seven seals. Nobody but the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, was able to open the book and loose the seven seals. Chapter six tells of what is contained in the book as each seal is opened. In these latter-days the Prophet Joseph Smith received revelation telling us what the book and its seven seals represent:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From the above verses, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the temporal existence of the earth will last 7000 years. This means that from the fall of Adam and Eve until the end of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, will be 7000 years. We believe that this patterns the temporal existence of the earth similar to the seven periods of creation. We believe that each of the seven seals on the backside of the book represent each of the consecutive 1000 year periods of the earth's temporal existence. The seventh seal represents the seventh thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence or the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. It is like a sabbath of the earth's temporal existence. Thus the opening of the book in Revelation 6-7 gives us a summation of the earth during its first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth thousand year periods. The following chapters of the Book of Revelation, excepting chapter 12, tells us of the events of the seventh thousand year period of this earth's temporal existence and of the earth being changed to a celestial sphere

To Joseph Smith, it was also revealed that the events of chapter 7 were to occur in the sixth seal or the sixth thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:9-11
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.

11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.

It is my personal belief that we are currently living in the last days of the sixth seal or six thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence. The Lord Jesus is to come again on the earth after the opening of the seventh seal. It is my personal belief that the sixth seal will end around 2033 or 2034. More on this in a subsequent post.

Stone granaries in Jordan are 14,000 years old and monuments in Saudi Arabia are 8,000 years old. Cave paintings in France are 30,000 years old.

It all depends on who one talks to and exactly what they are basing their dates upon. And it is MOST likely that a world wide flood would have corrupted the evidence and thrown any dating measurements out of wack. But then who what to believe a WORLD WIDE FLOOD happened?

Oldest known granaries found near Dead Sea​

By THOMAS H. MAUGH II
JUNE 27, 2009 12 AM PT
More than 1,000 years before humans began domesticating grains for food, they were building sophisticated storage buildings to hold the wild grains they were cultivating, researchers reported Monday.
Collecting large quantities of grains and other foods is a prerequisite to establishing sizable communities, but such collection requires a system to store the perishables so they can be kept for months at least. The new find reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences represents the oldest known storage system or granary to date -- about 11,300 years old.
The earliest known domestication of cereal grains was thought to have occurred about 10,500 years ago.
Four granaries were discovered in the settlement of Dhra’ near the Dead Sea in what is now Jordan by archaeologists Ian Kuijt of the University of Notre Dame and Bill Finlayson of the Council for British Research in the Levant in Amman, Jordan. The granaries were among 10 buildings found at the village, which was occupied for about 100 years. The other buildings appear to have been used as dwellings and food processing sites.

The oval buildings, about 9 feet in diameter and 9 feet high, had mud floors and walls of stone and mud bricks.
The best preserved granary shows unusually sophisticated engineering. Notched stones set upright in the floor of the building, about 1 to 1 1/2 feet high, presumably supported wooden beams, which spanned the structure. These beams were then covered with plants and mud to create a raised floor that enabled air to circulate through the stored grains, keeping them dry. The raised floor also protected the food from rodents.
Dating indicates that the original granary was used for about 50 years, then a second granary was built on its remains and also used for half a century. Traces of wild barley were found in the building.
The granaries were presumably shared by the entire village. The communal sharing did not persist, however. Excavations at later sites in the region show that storage shifted to individual dwellings.

“The most important implication of our findings,” the scientists wrote, “is that fundamental social changes occurred before plant domestication, including the establishment of fairly permanent settlements with communal labor and storage, based on cultivated wild plants.”

There was no world wide flood. The Hebrews borrowed that story from Babylon when they were in exile.
Yes, there was a World Wide Flood. The entire planet has gone through so much that it aged drastically as a result (which confuses research that fails to incorporate this historic event). And the Babylonian Epic was simply a written story formulated from an even earlier oral tradition. GOD gave to Moses the truth, weeding out all the nonsense and leaving the historical meat of the story. Moses was raised as the son of an Egyptian princess and therefore had been exposed to all the various traditions that existed in the royal libraries.

There is NO world wide footprint of flood sediment. Many places on earth were never flooded.

The flood is taken from a Sumerian story about a 4 day flood of the Euphrates River Basin that was caused by Spring snowmelt from the Zagros Mountains combined with Spring rains in 2900 BC . The flood
footprint is 150 miles wide and 300 miles south to the Persian Gulf.

A king of Sumer was hauling grain, beer and livestock downriver on barges that broke loose and ended up in the Persian Gulf at Bahrain.
Just because something is submerged doesn't mean that there will be sediment. Often bedrock is exposed where the surface has been stripped away.

Please consider the following essay: Geological Evidences for a Flood

They had reasons for believing there was a 'world wide flood'; as migrating peoples and tribes, they were finding sea fossils high up on mountains and the like; even the Himalayas have sea fossils at high elevations. In any event the ancient Hebrew 'world' was pretty small,and their beliefs were written for themselves, not 'Everybody Else'.
 

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In the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John is shown a vision of a book that is sealed on its backside with seven seals. Nobody but the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, was able to open the book and loose the seven seals. Chapter six tells of what is contained in the book as each seal is opened. In these latter-days the Prophet Joseph Smith received revelation telling us what the book and its seven seals represent:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From the above verses, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the temporal existence of the earth will last 7000 years. This means that from the fall of Adam and Eve until the end of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, will be 7000 years. We believe that this patterns the temporal existence of the earth similar to the seven periods of creation. We believe that each of the seven seals on the backside of the book represent each of the consecutive 1000 year periods of the earth's temporal existence. The seventh seal represents the seventh thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence or the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. It is like a sabbath of the earth's temporal existence. Thus the opening of the book in Revelation 6-7 gives us a summation of the earth during its first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth thousand year periods. The following chapters of the Book of Revelation, excepting chapter 12, tells us of the events of the seventh thousand year period of this earth's temporal existence and of the earth being changed to a celestial sphere

To Joseph Smith, it was also revealed that the events of chapter 7 were to occur in the sixth seal or the sixth thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:9-11
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.

11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.

It is my personal belief that we are currently living in the last days of the sixth seal or six thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence. The Lord Jesus is to come again on the earth after the opening of the seventh seal. It is my personal belief that the sixth seal will end around 2033 or 2034. More on this in a subsequent post.

Stone granaries in Jordan are 14,000 years old and monuments in Saudi Arabia are 8,000 years old. Cave paintings in France are 30,000 years old.

It all depends on who one talks to and exactly what they are basing their dates upon. And it is MOST likely that a world wide flood would have corrupted the evidence and thrown any dating measurements out of wack. But then who what to believe a WORLD WIDE FLOOD happened?

Oldest known granaries found near Dead Sea​

By THOMAS H. MAUGH II
JUNE 27, 2009 12 AM PT
More than 1,000 years before humans began domesticating grains for food, they were building sophisticated storage buildings to hold the wild grains they were cultivating, researchers reported Monday.
Collecting large quantities of grains and other foods is a prerequisite to establishing sizable communities, but such collection requires a system to store the perishables so they can be kept for months at least. The new find reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences represents the oldest known storage system or granary to date -- about 11,300 years old.
The earliest known domestication of cereal grains was thought to have occurred about 10,500 years ago.
Four granaries were discovered in the settlement of Dhra’ near the Dead Sea in what is now Jordan by archaeologists Ian Kuijt of the University of Notre Dame and Bill Finlayson of the Council for British Research in the Levant in Amman, Jordan. The granaries were among 10 buildings found at the village, which was occupied for about 100 years. The other buildings appear to have been used as dwellings and food processing sites.

The oval buildings, about 9 feet in diameter and 9 feet high, had mud floors and walls of stone and mud bricks.
The best preserved granary shows unusually sophisticated engineering. Notched stones set upright in the floor of the building, about 1 to 1 1/2 feet high, presumably supported wooden beams, which spanned the structure. These beams were then covered with plants and mud to create a raised floor that enabled air to circulate through the stored grains, keeping them dry. The raised floor also protected the food from rodents.
Dating indicates that the original granary was used for about 50 years, then a second granary was built on its remains and also used for half a century. Traces of wild barley were found in the building.
The granaries were presumably shared by the entire village. The communal sharing did not persist, however. Excavations at later sites in the region show that storage shifted to individual dwellings.

“The most important implication of our findings,” the scientists wrote, “is that fundamental social changes occurred before plant domestication, including the establishment of fairly permanent settlements with communal labor and storage, based on cultivated wild plants.”

There was no world wide flood. The Hebrews borrowed that story from Babylon when they were in exile.
Yes, there was a World Wide Flood. The entire planet has gone through so much that it aged drastically as a result (which confuses research that fails to incorporate this historic event). And the Babylonian Epic was simply a written story formulated from an even earlier oral tradition. GOD gave to Moses the truth, weeding out all the nonsense and leaving the historical meat of the story. Moses was raised as the son of an Egyptian princess and therefore had been exposed to all the various traditions that existed in the royal libraries.

There is NO world wide footprint of flood sediment. Many places on earth were never flooded.

The flood is taken from a Sumerian story about a 4 day flood of the Euphrates River Basin that was caused by Spring snowmelt from the Zagros Mountains combined with Spring rains in 2900 BC . The flood
footprint is 150 miles wide and 300 miles south to the Persian Gulf.

A king of Sumer was hauling grain, beer and livestock downriver on barges that broke loose and ended up in the Persian Gulf at Bahrain.
Just because something is submerged doesn't mean that there will be sediment. Often bedrock is exposed where the surface has been stripped away.

Please consider the following essay: Geological Evidences for a Flood

They had reasons for believing there was a 'world wide flood'; as migrating peoples and tribes, they were finding sea fossils high up on mountains and the like; even the Himalayas have sea fossils at high elevations. In any event the ancient Hebrew 'world' was pretty small,and their beliefs were written for themselves, not 'Everybody Else'.

Tectonic plates account for seashells at altitude. The Himalayas are still getting taller. There are seashells on the Western escarpment in Arabia.

You're right about the Hebrew world being small.
 

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Did you actually read your link? In Judaism Daniel is not considered a prophet, but an historian. Daniel was NOT written by one man. The writers used the Ugaritic text Dan'el which is 1500 years older as the setting for the narrative.

None of which anybody cares about, since it is the age of the book that is in question, not how you can spin bullshit in your lying about biblical issues and Christianity and Judasim.

Daniel was written in 168-164 BC about Atiochus IV Epiphanes and the Maccabbean Revolt. Antiochus was hell bent to Hellenize the Jews with pig sacrifices in the Temple, forbidding circumcision and errecting a statue to Zeus in the Temple . That was the first Abomidation of Desolation. That is historical not fancy.
 

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Did you actually read your link? In Judaism Daniel is not considered a prophet, but an historian. Daniel was NOT written by one man. The writers used the Ugaritic text Dan'el which is 1500 years older as the setting for the narrative.
In "Judaism" JESUS cannot be their MESSIAH. If they are so very wrong in one thing, why not two or three. Non-Messianic Jews spend so much of their Biblical interpretations denying CHRIST, that it must be concluded that they in fact willingly go to any lengths to deny JESUS ----- including misinterpreting passages that point unequivocally at HIM.
 
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Did you actually read your link? In Judaism Daniel is not considered a prophet, but an historian. Daniel was NOT written by one man. The writers used the Ugaritic text Dan'el which is 1500 years older as the setting for the narrative.

None of which anybody cares about, since it is the age of the book that is in question, not how you can spin bullshit in your lying about biblical issues and Christianity and Judasim.

Daniel was written in 168-164 BC about Atiochus IV Epiphanes and the Maccabbean Revolt. Antiochus was hell bent to Hellenize the Jews with pig sacrifices in the Temple, forbidding circumcision and errecting a statue to Zeus in the Temple . That was the first Abomidation of Desolation. That is historical not fancy.

An Abomination in the Temple​

“When you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains” (v. 14).
- Mark 13:14–20
In 168 BC, the Greek king Antiochus IV Epiphanes invaded Jerusalem and captured the city. He marched into the Jewish temple, erected a statue of the Greek god Zeus, and sacrificed a pig on the altar of incense. This provoked a revolt in Judea as the Jews fought to remove Antiochus’ sacrilege from the temple. Under the leadership of the Maccabees, the Jews drove Antiochus and his army out, and the Jews gained control of their land for about one hundred years until Pompey, an acclaimed Roman general, captured the Holy Land and brought it under Roman rule.
Many ancient Jews viewed the actions of Antiochus Epiphanes as the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27, which says, “On the wing of abomina tions shall come one who makes desolate.” However, the time frame in verses 24–27 begins with the decree of Cyrus that sent the Jews back to their land after the exile (Ezra 1). This makes it impossible that Daniel’s prophecy refers to Antiochus Epiphanes. The year 186 BC was far too early to fit the prophecy.
Now please consider: What Is the ‘Abomination of Desolation’?
 
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