Ukraine faces losing dignity or US support with Trump’s plan to end war, Zelensky says

[Hafar1014]

How pathetic of you. Are you a Cold War fossil or idiot liberal? You need to move to this century. You loons whine about Russia while ***** footing around with an actual communist threat in China. So very sad.

China and Russia are allies. Now that Biden is gone we are dealing with China

 

[Rogue AI]

China and Russia are allies. Now that Biden is gone we are dealing with China

As we are dealing with Russia. Russia should have been a hedge on China, instead idiot liberals and Cold War fossils pushed Russia and China together. Thanks a lot.

 

[Hafar1014]

As we are dealing with Russia. Russia should have been a hedge on China, instead idiot liberals and Cold War fossils pushed Russia and China together. Thanks a lot.

They also helped Iran thew third partner in the axis of evil.

 

[TimFitz]

What lesson? You loons are making up false comparisons that do not reflect reality, only your TDS and Russia hate fantasies. Russia is no threat to the US, beyond the ICBM issue, which makes the lines of Eurotrash maps totally irrelevant to the US and our citizens.

Mindless drivel. Incoherent, other than smacking of backwards isolationism, and parochial jingoism.

Is that weak collection of slogans your justification for the United States effectively handing over Ukraine on a plate,to the very empire that it has defended since 1945. Trump is demanding that Ukraine give Moscow everything it wants, and set up the eventual Russian overrun. Which is exactly what Putin wants him to do.

Come back if you can come up with a coherent argument for betraying what the greatest generation fought for.

 

[theHawk]

The Red Army was and is the Russian army. The Russian instrument of enforcement, invasion and domination.

Sorry, but the Putin was, and is a KGB man. nothing about Russia’s territorial ambitions or foreign policy has changed since Stalin’s time.

Except that the Russians have managed to get the American far right wing to support Russian victory, as you and your fellow traveler have done consistantly out of devotion to your fuhrer, Putin’ pet.

Why would I care if Putin was KGB?

Bush was CIA.

Every Establishment stooge of the GOP and Dems do whatever the CIA dictates to them.

 

[Rogue AI]

Mindless drivel. Incoherent, other than smacking of backwards isolationism, and parochial jingoism.

Is that weak collection of slogans your justification for the United States effectively handing over Ukraine on a plate,to the very empire that it has defended since 1945. Trump is demanding that Ukraine give Moscow everything it wants, and set up the eventual Russian overrun. Which is exactly what Putin wants him to do.

Come back if you can come up with a coherent argument for betraying what the greatest generation fought for.

Nice BlueAnon conspiracy theory. There is no indication Russia wants anything beyond what it already has, unless the West drags it out, then they will continue their advance. You loons put too much stock in Eurotrash dependents, they certainly are not worthy allies.

That mess isn't our problem and the sooner we are done with it the better. The West played no part in liberating the Ukraine from Nazis. Try harder.

 

[TimFitz]

China and Russia are allies. Now that Biden is gone we are dealing with China

Not if Trump can help it. He wants to build Russia up. Begin by giving them an entire country.

 

[TimFitz]

Nice BlueAnon conspiracy theory. There is no indication Russia wants anything beyond what it already has, unless the West drags it out, then they will continue their advance. You loons put too much stock in Eurotrash dependents, they certainly are not worthy allies.

That mess isn't our problem and the sooner we are done with it the better. The West played no part in liberating the Ukraine from Nazis. Try harder.

This is so flagrantly false that it hardly bears mentioning.

 

[Rogue AI]

They also helped Iran thew third partner in the axis of evil.

I have no problem with that. Russia and Iran have every right to pursue their interests, nor will they always coincide with ours. I believe in Washington's wisdom, no other country should be treated special, we should trade with any and all so long as it suits our interests and needs. We should be neutral arbitrators, nothing more.

 

[Rogue AI]

This is so flagrantly false that it hardly bears mentioning.

According to you? That's rich. Try harder.

 

[TimFitz]

According to you? That's rich. Try harder.

Just about everyone on the planet other than Russians and their Trump cult fellow travelers.

Moscow’s intentions are very clear. And there isn’t a govern,ent in Western Europe thst has any delusions about it. your empty claims notwithstanding.

“If Putin is not decisively defeated in Ukraine, he will surely go further in his mission to “return” lost Russian lands. The list of former Russian imperial possessions that could potentially become targets is extensive and includes Finland, the Baltic States, Poland, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the nations of Central Asia. Nor can future Russian attacks on the former Warsaw Pact countries of Central Europe be entirely ruled out. If this sounds far-fetched, it is important to remember that almost nobody in Ukraine believed a Russian invasion was even remotely possible until it actually happened.”

Putin admits Ukraine invasion is an imperial war to “return” Russian land

By abandoning all pretense and comparing himself to Peter the Great, Russian dictator Vladimir Putin has confirmed that he is waging an old-fashioned imperial war of conquest with the goal of annexing Ukrainian land.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

 

[TimFitz]

I have no problem with that. Russia and Iran have every right to pursue their interests, nor will they always coincide with ours. I believe in Washington's wisdom, no other country should be treated special, we should trade with any and all so long as it suits our interests and needs. We should be neutral arbitrators, nothing more.

That’s probably exactly what Charles Lindberg said about Hitler after Munich.

 

[Rogue AI]

Just about everyone on the planet other than Russians and their Trump cult fellow travelers.

Moscow’s intentions are very clear. And there isn’t a govern,ent in Western Europe thst has any delusions about it. your empty claims notwithstanding.

“If Putin is not decisively defeated in Ukraine, he will surely go further in his mission to “return” lost Russian lands. The list of former Russian imperial possessions that could potentially become targets is extensive and includes Finland, the Baltic States, Poland, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the nations of Central Asia. Nor can future Russian attacks on the former Warsaw Pact countries of Central Europe be entirely ruled out. If this sounds far-fetched, it is important to remember that almost nobody in Ukraine believed a Russian invasion was even remotely possible until it actually happened.”

Putin admits Ukraine invasion is an imperial war to “return” Russian land

By abandoning all pretense and comparing himself to Peter the Great, Russian dictator Vladimir Putin has confirmed that he is waging an old-fashioned imperial war of conquest with the goal of annexing Ukrainian land.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

What silly nonsense. If that was Putin's goal he could have started in a land locked country the West couldn't support. Instead Putin starts with a country that borders NATO. Try harder.

 

[TimFitz]

What silly nonsense. If that was Putin's goal he could have started in a land locked country the West couldn't support. Instead Putin starts with a country that borders NATO. Try harder.

Trying to dance past my rebuttal of your previous ridiculous claim.

You I’ll have to explain this new “land locked” excuse you’re trying to promote.

Ukraine is the ONLY nation that borders Russia that is not a NATO member.

Of course, that was the result of expansion. Expansion precipitated entirely by the Russian invasion of Ukraine!

Try harder?

your post is empty nonsense.

 

[Rogue AI]

Trying to dance past my rebuttal of your previous ridiculous claim.

You I’ll have to explain this new “land locked” excuse you’re trying to promote.

Ukraine is the ONLY nation that borders Russia that is not a NATO member.

Of course, that was the result of expansion. Expansion precipitated entirely by the Russian invasion of Ukraine!

Try harder?

your post is empty nonsense.

Hardly, I'm correctly pointing out how idiotic you loons sound when you make these claims. Putin is not some political newb. He has been there for years and done none of what you loons claim. Puts your lies in perspective.

 

[Ringo]

Ukraine is the ONLY nation that borders Russia that is not a NATO member.

Don't write online when you're drunk. Sleep it off first.

 

[Hafar1014]

What silly nonsense. If that was Putin's goal he could have started in a land locked country the West couldn't support. Instead Putin starts with a country that borders NATO. Try harder.

Putin in tends to restore the USSR. Look at what he has already invested. The good news is he is failing and we have to take advantage. Russia Iran and China are all together. We have to oppose them all

 

[Zincwarrior]

What silly nonsense. If that was Putin's goal he could have started in a land locked country the West couldn't support. Instead Putin starts with a country that borders NATO. Try harder.

Ukraine is not landlocked.

 

[Hafar1014]

Ukraine is not landlocked.
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Looking at the map if Russia takes Ukraine its the starting point to take over the adjacent nations. Who are land locked. The strategy is clear. Thankfully Russian Technology failed. Battle tactics failed. What was supposed to be two week war has put Russia in a quagmire draining resources. They couldnt even establish air superiority.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Looking at the map if Russia takes Ukraine its the starting point to take over the adjacent nations. Who are land locked. The strategy is clear. Thankfully Russian Technology failed. Battle tactics failed. What was supposed to be two week war has put Russia in a quagmire draining resources. They couldnt even establish air superiority.

Its also why Poland is going berserk getting more tanks and artillery than God.