Ukraine faces losing dignity or US support with Trump’s plan to end war, Zelensky says

[Rogue AI]

And there were many Americans that stated that about Britian after Dunkirk. We all know how that turned out. Let Russia take Ukraine, and WW3 is certain.

Why? It a European problem, no need to make it global. If Russia takes Ukraine, so what? It changes nothing here. Well I guess a few liberal and RINO brats would lose their no show six figure jobs, but nothing changes for everyone else.

There isn't any support to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. If there was it would have already happened.

 

[Ringo]

Ukraine's war against Russia? What a ******* liar you are. Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. Comrade Frank, we now see your true colors.

When the USSR invaded Japan in august 1945, was that a good thing? Probably yes, because it was beneficial to the US....
So, invasion and war are acceptable when they serve the interests of the United States. This is a hottentot logic—when my father consumes you, it is acceptable, but when you consume my father, it is unacceptable.

 

[Hafar1014]

An expanded Russia is no threat to the US. Nothing here changes because lines on a map change half a world away.

We are fools for not befriending Russia. They have more material resources than any country in the world. Yet we foolishly maintain trade with communist China. Talk about backwards priorities.

A strong independent Russia would have been a nice hedge against China if idiot liberals and Cold War fossils hadn't mucked it all up.

Vladimir is back posting here

 

[TimFitz]

The Red Army? That isn’t the Russia of today. Those were your friends, the Bolsheviks. You know, the leftwing “socialists” who drew up the ridiculous modern day Ukraine borders that you want to protect more than America’s borders.

Yea, Russia was allied with Syria. So what? Everyone in the world has to buy their arms from the US? Again with this stupid nonsense that Russia isn’t allowed to do anything with any other country, even having good relations with them. How many times did Syria attack the US? Oh yea, it never did. But for some reason we needed to get rid of Assad, and now it’s run by true radical Jihadists. It’s almost as if you globalists welcome radical Islam and want to empower it.


You hate it when Russia has hostilities with a nation, then also hate it when it is friendly with a nation. So anything Russia does is bad. This is your ridiculous position.

The Red Army was and is the Russian army. The Russian instrument of enforcement, invasion and domination.

Sorry, but the Putin was, and is a KGB man. nothing about Russia’s territorial ambitions or foreign policy has changed since Stalin’s time.

Except that the Russians have managed to get the American far right wing to support Russian victory, as you and your fellow traveler have done consistantly out of devotion to your fuhrer, Putin’ pet.

 

[TimFitz]

You have it totally backwards. Russia had to defend Russian Nationals who voted OVERWHELMINGLY to rejoin Russia.

In any event, Biden approved the Invasion

Biden did not approve the Russian invasion ofUkraine.

What a preposterous lie!

Your beloved fuhrer did, and does.
So, apparantly, doYou.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Biden did not approve the Russian invasion ofUkraine.

What a preposterous lie!

Your beloved fuhrer did, and does.
So, apparantly, doYou.

Biden predicts Russia will invade Ukraine

""And it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and not do," Biden added."

Putin made a minor incursion.

Putin offered a peace deal: we'll withdraw, Ukraine never joins NATO

Zelensky initially agreed.

The "West" (bankers and defense contractors), send Boris Johnson to order Zelensky to throw the deal back in Putin's face

Today,

• Russia has captured almost all of the regions that voted to rejoin Russia.
• Ukraine has lost maybe 80% of their next generation of young men fighting a war to benefit bankers, politicians and defense contractors
• Half the population of Ukraine has fled, never to return

 

[TimFitz]

Biden predicts Russia will invade Ukraine

""And it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and not do," Biden added."

Putin made a minor incursion.

Putin offered a peace deal: we'll withdraw, Ukraine never joins NATO

Zelensky initially agreed.

The "West" (bankers and defense contractors), send Boris Johnson to order Zelensky to throw the deal back in Putin's face

Today,

• Russia has captured almost all of the regions that voted to rejoin Russia.
• Ukraine has lost maybe 80% of their next generation of young men fighting a war to benefit bankers, politicians and defense contractors
• Half the population of Ukraine has fled, never to return

So, you peddle the Kremlin line by trying to blame the Ukraine war on imaginary, unnamed bankers, politicians and defense contractors.

The areas that “voted” for Russia did not rise up in support of the Russian invasion at all. Lending proof to the widely understood fact that the Russian sponsored “election”was heavily rigged.

Putin lunched a full scale invasion.

Today, Russia has little to show for it other than territory it already occupied (a sorry, no independent fake republic), a ruined economy, a lot of corpses, and economic dependence on Beijing, which is rapidly moving to take de fact possession of resources in Siberia.

The fact that Biden predicted the invasion does not mean he endorsed it.

it was your beloved fuhrer who called it a “genius move” and supports it to this day.

He is a disgrace to everything the US stands for.

 

[TimFitz]

Vladimir is back posting here

You noticed that.

All the Kremlin trolls are back parroting the Kremlin line chapter and verse.

 

[JimH52]

The Red Army was and is the Russian army. The Russian instrument of enforcement, invasion and domination.

Sorry, but the Putin was, and is a KGB man. nothing about Russia’s territorial ambitions or foreign policy has changed since Stalin’s time.

Except that the Russians have managed to get the American far right wing to support Russian victory, as you and your fellow traveler have done consistantly out of devotion to your fuhrer, Putin’ pet.

The right wing has become infatuated with Poootin and dictators like Orban. They are whispering, "white men only" as they swoon for authoritarianism.

The trump regime is trying to kill DEI, so that white men can rule again. Back to the 40's and 50's for the US...when white men ruled and blacks knew their place. That is trump''s dream...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So, you peddle the Kremlin line by trying to blame the Ukraine war on imaginary, unnamed bankers, politicians and defense contractors.

The areas that “voted” for Russia did not rise up in support of the Russian invasion at all. Lending proof to the widely understood fact that the Russian sponsored “election”was heavily rigged.

Putin lunched a full scale invasion.

Today, Russia has little to show for it other than territory it already occupied (a sorry, no independent fake republic), a ruined economy, a lot of corpses, and economic dependence on Beijing, which is rapidly moving to take de fact possession of resources in Siberia.

The fact that Biden predicted the invasion does not mean he endorsed it.

it was your beloved fuhrer who called it a “genius move” and supports it to this day.

He is a disgrace to everything the US stands for.

You're in an alternate reality.

 

[TimFitz]

You're in an alternate reality.

I’m in the reality that knows that Trump is a stooge for Putin, as he just once again demonstrated.

You approve, apparantly.

Vlad thanks you (does he pay you too?)

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I’m in the reality that knows that Trump is a stooge for Putin, as he just once again demonstrated.

You approve, apparantly.

Vlad thanks you (does he pay you too?)

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. We should put Americans in harm's way or start a nuclear war, to support the Ukrainian Money Laundering Operation

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[Lockback]

Ukraine has been losing ground steadily all year with nothing to show for it. It is a waste of our money to continue supporting a lost cause. It is a European problem and we should never have been involved.

Agree completely. And the worst part is that Europe has balls the size of BBs and won't/can't do a damn thing without the U.S. goosing them in the ass.

 

[Zincwarrior]

No, Putin invaded Ukraine after many years of Civil War with Ukraine between Kiev and the ethnic Russians in the east. After the elected Ukrainian President was overthrown by a violent insurrection, supported by the United States, the civil war broke out and ethnic Russians were being killed.

History has shown that Russia will always come to the aid of Slavs being killed by others. And here we had Russian speaking Slavs being killed. Why was Kiev killing and persecuting these Russian speaking “Ukrainians”? Because of course they rejected the illegitimate government in Kiev installed by the United States.

So the US warmongering policy is to blame for the whole situation. The US sent over warmongers like John McCain, Victoria Nuland, Lindsay Graham, John Kerry, and Amy Klobuchar to dictate to the Ukrainians who was allowed to “run” for President.

Russia saw this as interference in a country the US long ago promised to be neutral with, and had promised to never expand NATO into. Of course warmongers like Obama and Biden could care less about such promises made decades before, so they supported the coup.


All you have to do is look at a map of Eastern Europe of 1900, or even as far back as 1800, to see all that land has historically been Russia. The Russians were the ones that defeated the evil Ottoman Empire and drove them out of Crimea.

But hey, it’s probably easier if you just ignore all those facts and the actual history of Ukraine, like the fact that its borders were drawn up by Russian Bolsheviks during the USSR in order to shoehorn in a bunch of ethnic Russians into the satellite Ukrainian State.

So just keep ignoring the facts and call Putin a Nazi or something, even though the Ukrainians were actual supporters of Nazism and their national hero is a Nazi named Stepan Bandera.

You are so full of shit. Russia invaded Ukraine to finish its conquest begun with stealing Crimea.

The Maga party is infested with Russian propaganda.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Ukraine and Europe need to step away now, and go separately. The current admin is now a Russian asset.

 

[Rogue AI]

Vladimir is back posting here

How pathetic of you. Are you a Cold War fossil or idiot liberal? You need to move to this century. You loons whine about Russia while ***** footing around with an actual communist threat in China. So very sad.

 

[TimFitz]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. We should put Americans in harm's way or start a nuclear war, to support the Ukrainian Money Laundering Operation

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

If you want to mischaracterization the Ukraine crisis into one of your either/or fallacies, enjoy yourself.

You’re repeating the Kremlin line about a Ukranian money laundering operation.

Which is really ironic because Trump relied on Russian oligarchs to finance Trump properties so THEY could launder money through them!

 

[TimFitz]

How pathetic of you. Are you a Cold War fossil or idiot liberal? You need to move to this century. You loons whine about Russia while ***** footing around with an actual communist threat in China. So very sad.

Are you saying we should move to this century by forgetting the lessons of the last one?

 

[Rogue AI]

Are you saying we should move to this century by forgetting the lessons of the last one?

What lesson? You loons are making up false comparisons that do not reflect reality, only your TDS and Russia hate fantasies. Russia is no threat to the US, beyond the ICBM issue, which makes the lines of Eurotrash maps totally irrelevant to the US and our citizens.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If you want to mischaracterization the Ukraine crisis into one of your either/or fallacies, enjoy yourself.

You’re repeating the Kremlin line about a Ukranian money laundering operation.

Which is really ironic because Trump relied on Russian oligarchs to finance Trump properties so THEY could launder money through them!

Is there a lot of pressure on you to be correct 120% of the time?

How do you manage?