U.S. tells Moscow : " Putin to pull back from Ukraine or face painful sanctions". if Moscow invades Ukraine again, will Biden do what R. Reagan did ?

[georgephillip]

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"At the April 2008 NATO summit in Romania, Croatia and Albania were asked to join—they did so in 2009—and postponed a decision concerning Georgia and Ukraine until December 2008.

"But in August, Georgian forces attacked the breakaway province of South Ossetia—possibly under the delusion that NATO would come to their aid—setting off a short and disastrous war with Russia.

"The vote on Georgia and Ukraine was shelved both by that war and a Gallup Poll indicating that 40 percent of Ukrainians considered NATO a threat, while only 17 percent had a favorable view of the alliance."

WikiLeaks, Ukraine & NATO

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Actually they can. Obama's sanctions after they invaded and occupied Crimea, which by the way they still do, was costing them $270 Billion a year, crushing their economy.

We didn't hear any stories about crushing sanctions during the Trump years, did we?

And I notice there were ever any demands from Trump to end the occupation of Crimea either, did we?

And FYI, Russia isn't a trade leader in anything. They make nothing, and import little. They are an autocratic oligarchy, that operates a giant gas station.

In the Siberian Arctic, lies a trillion dollars worth of oil. Exxon-Mobil wants to help them get it out, because they don't have the means to. Obama stopped that, and Putin is still pissed about it. So is Exxon-Mobil.

Biden should send a very clear message to both of them. It ain't happening. And if you invade Ukraine with those troops massed on the border, the sanctions Obama put in place are going to be doubled with no let up for the next three years at least, and a whole lot of ballistic missile operations are going to find their way into Europe in a very short period of time.

Russia ain't shit, and unless they want to go full end the fucking world nuclear exchange, there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.

I don't understand, why y'all don't understand, that Russia doesn't need a top notch economy to be a the worlds best military. They have so much stuff available within their own country, they don't need any money, they can just force labor anyone to build anything they want.


Russia wasn't doing anything when Trump was president, and Russia took Crimea fair and square... Ukraine lost, Russia Won.

 

[struth]

Crimea is part of Russia.
That "invasion" was a liberation after US attempts to destabilize Ukraine.

hahaha

 

[JWBooth]

Funny shit, and all Putin has to do in return is let western europe freeze in the dark

 

[Litwin]

"At the April 2008 NATO summit in Romania, Croatia and Albania were asked to join—they did so in 2009—and postponed a decision concerning Georgia and Ukraine until December 2008.

"But in August, Georgian forces attacked the breakaway province of South Ossetia—possibly under the delusion that NATO would come to their aid—setting off a short and disastrous war with Russia.

"The vote on Georgia and Ukraine was shelved both by that war and a Gallup Poll indicating that 40 percent of Ukrainians considered NATO a threat, while only 17 percent had a favorable view of the alliance."

WikiLeaks, Ukraine & NATO

Ivan you are lying , go back to your borsch , nobody here consumes your RT.ru

NOT SO SCARY - THIS IS WHY MOSCOW'S MILITARY IS A PAPER TIGER

"While select portions of the Moscow military—most notably the Strategic Missile Forces, airborne forces and naval infantry—have been extensively modernized, other forces still rely on ill trained conscripts and dilapidated hardware held over from the Soviet-era. In other words, Moscow ’s...

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[Litwin]

Funny shit, and all Putin has to do in return is let western europe freeze in the dark

do you think Muscovites can eat oil and drink gas?

 

[justinacolmena]

No amount of sanctions can sink Putins economy. They are one of the worlds leaders in trade and pretty much everything else.

I'm not real crazy about the E.U. sanctions and threats to cut off Russia from SWIFT, which is essentially the European equivalent of a "dismemberment" from the A.B.A. and all the creepy business with the F.D.I.C. and the Federal Reserve that goes on with that.

Just because you hate Russia so much shouldn't blind your eyes to reality.

There's people with private bank accounts and others are looking at names and numbers they shouldn't be looking at, and we're not talking about a literal blinding. You forget the men who jumped to their deaths out of tall buildings on or about October 29, 1929 to avoid a much, much worse fate than that in Al Capone's heyday.

Putin threatened NATO, not just the USA.

Putin is a capitalist, a radically different ideology from the communism NATO was founded to deter.

Crimea is part of Russia.
That "invasion" was a liberation after US attempts to destabilize Ukraine.

Ukraine is a heavy vice district sort of like Nevada or Alaska in the United States, with the LGBT pride parades in Kyiv, etc. Meanwhile Russia has a bro problem with too many gray beards in the amen corner at church. Russia bros like that get into major real estate flipping and they're like guys who don't have enough respect for the ladies once they get into certain parts of town in Ukraine.

 

[JWBooth]

do you think Muscovites can eat oil and drink gas?

You can keep touting the CIA/USAID/NED nonsense talking points you bosses have given you to disseminate all day long and it will not change the situation. Western Europe needs Russia’s oil and gas, and nobody is cutting food exports to Moscow.

 

[georgephillip]

hahaha

You probably wouldn't be laughing if you were a victim of US meddling in the internal affairs of other nations:

WikiLeaks, Ukraine & NATO

"Is the Russian occupation of the Crimea a case of aggressive expansionism by Moscow or aimed at at blocking a scheme by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to roll right up to the Russia’s western border?

"WikiLeaks has revealed a secret cable describing a meeting between French and American diplomats that suggests the latter, a plan that has been in the works since at least 2009"

 

[georgephillip]

Ivan you are lying , go back to your borsch , nobody here consumes your RT.ru

Boris?
Are you still dead??

Hypocrisy of Russia-Did-It Stories Is Hard to Stomach - FAIR

 

[struth]

You probably wouldn't be laughing if you were a victim of US meddling in the internal affairs of other nations:

WikiLeaks, Ukraine & NATO

"Is the Russian occupation of the Crimea a case of aggressive expansionism by Moscow or aimed at at blocking a scheme by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to roll right up to the Russia’s western border?

"WikiLeaks has revealed a secret cable describing a meeting between French and American diplomats that suggests the latter, a plan that has been in the works since at least 2009"

Russia invaded…we went to help, same with europe

 

[georgephillip]

Russia invaded…we went to help, same with europe

Russia says the corrected a mistake made in 1954.
It seems a majority of the Crimean population agrees?

"Percentage of people that indicated Russian as their native language in the 2001 Ukraine census. Sevastopol identifies itself as the highest at 90.6% followed immediately by Crimea at 77.0%"

Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation - Wikipedia

 

[struth]

Russia says the corrected a mistake made in 1954.
It seems a majority of the Crimean population agrees?

"Percentage of people that indicated Russian as their native language in the 2001 Ukraine census. Sevastopol identifies itself as the highest at 90.6% followed immediately by Crimea at 77.0%"

Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation - Wikipedia

haha. protected a mistake by invaded a country with their military

haha yeah sure

let’s take a poll of people with a russian tank pointed at them

you tyrants are too funny

 

[g5000]

No amount of sanctions can sink Putins economy. They are one of the worlds leaders in trade and pretty much everything else.


Just because you hate Russia so much shouldn't blind your eyes to reality.

Russia is NOT a world leader in trade.

Russia's GDP is a tiny fraction of ours. It's about $1.5 trillion. Pathetic.

Their entire economy is dependent on the price of oil being above $60/bbl.

There are countless ways we can fuck up Putin's life economically.

 

[g5000]

haha. protected a mistake by invaded a country with their military

haha yeah sure

let’s take a poll of people with a russian tank pointed at them

you tyrants are too funny

Most of the inhabitants of Crimea are descendants of prior Russian invaders. So, yeah, they tend to lean toward Russia.

 

[B. Kidd]

Russia is NOT a world leader in trade.

Russia's GDP is a tiny fraction of ours. It's about $1.5 trillion. Pathetic.

Their entire economy is dependent on the price of oil being above $60/bbl.

There are countless ways we can fuck up Putin's life economically.

So you think that Pootie has pointed his spear tip at a whim?

He's had 7 years since taking Crimea in 2014 to prepare for contingencies related to any economic sanctions dreamed up by Sippy Cup and his team. And based on Biden's atrocious record of failure in foreign policy, it's a sure bet that Bi-Dung guesses wrong!!

Carry on.....

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Russia is NOT a world leader in trade.

If he wants Ukraine, he will get Ukraine.

Russia's GDP is a tiny fraction of ours. It's about $1.5 trillion. Pathetic.

Their entire economy is dependent on the price of oil being above $60/bbl.

There are countless ways we can fuck up Putin's life economically.

 

[g5000]

If he wants Ukraine, he will get Ukraine.

If Hitler wants Sudetenland, he will get Sudetenland.

 

[Silver Cat]

If Hitler wants Sudetenland, he will get Sudetenland.

Actually, the first time he tried to get Sudetenland, he was dettered by France, the UK and Russia.
And only because the Brits were not satisfied by the existing system of safety - they made everything to destroy it and to give up Czechoslovakia, Poland, France to Hitler.

 

[georgephillip]

haha. protected a mistake by invaded a country with their military

haha yeah sure

How would capitalism exist without dead children, debt, and arms sales?

"The United States and its NATO allies are busily arming Ukraine and engaging in other actions that encourage the leaders in Kiev to believe that they have strong Western backing in their confrontation with Russia and Russian‐backed separatists.

"The conflict between the Ukrainian government and separatist forces in the Donbass region, which has remained at a low simmer in recent years, thanks to the fragile Minsk agreements, shows unmistakable signs of heating up.

"That development is exacerbating already dangerous tensions between Kiev and Moscow.

"There is growing speculation that Russia might even launch an invasion of Ukraine."

https://www.cato.org/commentary/nato-arms-sales-ukraine-spark-starts-war-russia