U.N. rights investigator accuses Israel of 'ethnic cleansing'

[Sally]

Can you link some evidence that the Palestinians charge a Jizya to non Muslims or are you lying again like you did for Falk?

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood to Coptic Christians: Convert to Islam, or pay 'jizya' tax - Washington Times

Christians must pay 'Jizyah' tax

You are being redirected...

Don't see Palestine in those links. Are you just lying for fun.

Why, montelatici, since you have adopted the screen name of someone who might be Italian, one would think that you would be worrying about what is happening to the Catholics and other Christians in the Middle East these days. After all, the Middle East is a huge place, and the Christians are the most persecuted group in the world today. Perhaps you really are a Muslim and don't care what is happening to Christians.

 

[Barb]

I guess Pbel thinks that Richard Falk is a very unbiased fellow.

Timeline: Richard Falk's Anti-Semitic Cartoon, Denial, and Non-Apology Apology - UN Watch

Hey, I totally agree, Sally...Everybody save the right wing Zionists hate Israel, look at world polls...

I think it is time that Richard Falk retired. Do you actually think, Pbel, that people in places like South America where the men are working hard to earn a living for their families are even thinking about Israel? Now if people really had to find someone to hate, why not hate those countries where people are being murdered just for their religious beliefs. Is anyone really being murdered in Israel or the territories like people are being murdered in the Muslim world?

It's not about hate, it's about reigning in and recognizing, and about goddamned time too, crimes against an entirely innocent people who did JACK SHIT to deserve the boot that's been on their necks since Zionists saw that, as their neighborhoods were lethal, they would make someone else's an eternal Warsaw ghetto.

Reasonable people do not find that acceptable. They just don't.

 

[Sally]

Hey, I totally agree, Sally...Everybody save the right wing Zionists hate Israel, look at world polls...

I think it is time that Richard Falk retired. Do you actually think, Pbel, that people in places like South America where the men are working hard to earn a living for their families are even thinking about Israel? Now if people really had to find someone to hate, why not hate those countries where people are being murdered just for their religious beliefs. Is anyone really being murdered in Israel or the territories like people are being murdered in the Muslim world?

It's not about hate, it's about reigning in and recognizing, and about goddamned time too, crimes against an entirely innocent people who did JACK SHIT to deserve the boot that's been on their necks since Zionists saw that, as their neighborhoods were lethal, they would make someone else's an eternal Warsaw ghetto.

Reasonable people do not find that acceptable. They just don't.

So tell us, Barb, now that you are back, would you be kind enough to tell us what other forums you are posting on condemning what is happening to innocent people in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and Africa who are being killed for their religious beliefs? After all, it just can't be about Israel for you. You must be concerned about what is happening to innocent people elsewhere. No doubt there are many people who are being persecuted in other parts of the world would trade places with a "Palestinian" in a New York minute.

 

[montelatici]

There is no antisemitism involved, it is treating Israel like any other aggressive warmongering state that oppresses millions of people that happen to be of a different religion. If any other country oppressed millions of people because of their religion, had them living in virtual gulags, controlling their borders, air space and territorial sea, you think they would get away with it without being sanctioned?

 

[Barb]

I think it is time that Richard Falk retired. Do you actually think, Pbel, that people in places like South America where the men are working hard to earn a living for their families are even thinking about Israel? Now if people really had to find someone to hate, why not hate those countries where people are being murdered just for their religious beliefs. Is anyone really being murdered in Israel or the territories like people are being murdered in the Muslim world?

It's not about hate, it's about reigning in and recognizing, and about goddamned time too, crimes against an entirely innocent people who did JACK SHIT to deserve the boot that's been on their necks since Zionists saw that, as their neighborhoods were lethal, they would make someone else's an eternal Warsaw ghetto.

Reasonable people do not find that acceptable. They just don't.

So tell us, Barb, now that you are back, would you be kind enough to tell us what other forums you are posting on condemning what is happening to innocent people in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and Africa who are being killed for their religious beliefs? After all, it just can't be about Israel for you. You must be concerned about what is happening to innocent people elsewhere. No doubt there are many people who are being persecuted in other parts of the world would trade places with a "Palestinian" in a New York minute.

Back from where? I never left. I couldn't post as often from my grand son's hospital room, but I've been back from there for more than a minute. Bad shit happens all over the globe. THIS thread is about bad shit happening to the Palestinian people because of what they didn't do and weren't involved in.

Do YOU have anything to to contribute to THAT discussion?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Israel is persecuted and in danger by these arabs in Gaza and the WB. So don't give me all this crap about Israel doing the persecuting. Start learning about the subject rather than cough up the same old lies.

 

[montelatici]

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood to Coptic Christians: Convert to Islam, or pay 'jizya' tax - Washington Times

Christians must pay 'Jizyah' tax

You are being redirected...

Don't see Palestine in those links. Are you just lying for fun.

Why, montelatici, since you have adopted the screen name of someone who might be Italian, one would think that you would be worrying about what is happening to the Catholics and other Christians in the Middle East these days. After all, the Middle East is a huge place, and the Christians are the most persecuted group in the world today. Perhaps you really are a Muslim and don't care what is happening to Christians.

Of course I care about what is happening to Christians, that's why I am concerned about Palestinian Christians especially children at the hands of the Israeli Jews:

"In anticipation of the Pope’s May visit to the Holy Land, an Open Letter signed by over 200 bishops, clerics, members of religious orders and theologians from several faith traditions, was delivered today to Pope Francis. The letter asks the Pope to speak out against the Israeli army’s program of kidnapping, detention, and systematic abuse of Palestinian children and to call for an end to the occupation and colonization of Palestine.

The letter, whose signers include over 20 bishops, cites a recent UNICEF report that documents nighttime arrests, blindfolding and shackling of children between 12 and 18 years of age. Based on over 400 sworn testimonies, UNICEF concluded that the “ill-treatment of children who come into contact with the system appears to be widespread, systematic, and institutionalized throughout the process.”

- See more at: Ash Wednesday Letter to Pope Francis: Speak out against Targeting of Palestinian Children | Religion Press Release Services

 

[toastman]

Warmongering LOL. It's the Palestinians that are war mongering.
If you don't fuck with Israel, you won't get burned.
Pretty simple, no?

 

[Sally]

Don't see Palestine in those links. Are you just lying for fun.

Why, montelatici, since you have adopted the screen name of someone who might be Italian, one would think that you would be worrying about what is happening to the Catholics and other Christians in the Middle East these days. After all, the Middle East is a huge place, and the Christians are the most persecuted group in the world today. Perhaps you really are a Muslim and don't care what is happening to Christians.

Of course I care about what is happening to Christians, that's why I am concerned about Palestinian Christians especially children at the hands of the Israeli Jews:

"In anticipation of the Pope’s May visit to the Holy Land, an Open Letter signed by over 200 bishops, clerics, members of religious orders and theologians from several faith traditions, was delivered today to Pope Francis. The letter asks the Pope to speak out against the Israeli army’s program of kidnapping, detention, and systematic abuse of Palestinian children and to call for an end to the occupation and colonization of Palestine.

The letter, whose signers include over 20 bishops, cites a recent UNICEF report that documents nighttime arrests, blindfolding and shackling of children between 12 and 18 years of age. Based on over 400 sworn testimonies, UNICEF concluded that the “ill-treatment of children who come into contact with the system appears to be widespread, systematic, and institutionalized throughout the process.”

- See more at: Ash Wednesday Letter to Pope Francis: Speak out against Targeting of Palestinian Children | Religion Press Release Services

If you were so concerned about what is happening to the Christians in other parts of the world, you certainly would be on other forums condemning what is happening to them. However, it is quite obvvious that you are very silent about this. Speaking of the Pope, why haven't you informed the viewers that the Pope is very worried about what is happening to the Christians in the Middle East and is concerned that their presence will be erased even though they are the descendents of the original Christians. Surely you must be aware that in Egypt they want to do away with the Christian Copts. Now here is one man -- a good Christian with Egyptioin roots -- who, unlike you is really concerned about what is happening. He collects information from the Christians groups who are operating in many countries and reports on what is happening to them. Naturally you are not interested in what is happening since it doesn't involved the Jews.

Why Media Don?t Cover Jihadist Attacks on Christians | FrontPage Magazine

 

[montelatici]

Warmongering LOL. It's the Palestinians that are war mongering.
If you don't fuck with Israel, you won't get burned.
Pretty simple, no?

The European Jews settled (read invaded) Palestine and expelled most non-Jews. How can the Christians and Muslims of Palestine be warmongers? They were driven from their land by Jews. What alternate history have you been taught?

 

[montelatici]

Why, montelatici, since you have adopted the screen name of someone who might be Italian, one would think that you would be worrying about what is happening to the Catholics and other Christians in the Middle East these days. After all, the Middle East is a huge place, and the Christians are the most persecuted group in the world today. Perhaps you really are a Muslim and don't care what is happening to Christians.

Of course I care about what is happening to Christians, that's why I am concerned about Palestinian Christians especially children at the hands of the Israeli Jews:

"In anticipation of the Pope’s May visit to the Holy Land, an Open Letter signed by over 200 bishops, clerics, members of religious orders and theologians from several faith traditions, was delivered today to Pope Francis. The letter asks the Pope to speak out against the Israeli army’s program of kidnapping, detention, and systematic abuse of Palestinian children and to call for an end to the occupation and colonization of Palestine.

The letter, whose signers include over 20 bishops, cites a recent UNICEF report that documents nighttime arrests, blindfolding and shackling of children between 12 and 18 years of age. Based on over 400 sworn testimonies, UNICEF concluded that the “ill-treatment of children who come into contact with the system appears to be widespread, systematic, and institutionalized throughout the process.”

- See more at: Ash Wednesday Letter to Pope Francis: Speak out against Targeting of Palestinian Children | Religion Press Release Services

If you were so concerned about what is happening to the Christians in other parts of the world, you certainly would be on other forums condemning what is happening to them. However, it is quite obvvious that you are very silent about this. Speaking of the Pope, why haven't you informed the viewers that the Pope is very worried about what is happening to the Christians in the Middle East and is concerned that their presence will be erased even though they are the descendents of the original Christians. Surely you must be aware that in Egypt they want to do away with the Christian Copts. Now here is one man -- a good Christian with Egyptioin roots -- who, unlike you is really concerned about what is happening. He collects information from the Christians groups who are operating in many countries and reports on what is happening to them. Naturally you are not interested in what is happening since it doesn't involved the Jews.

Why Media Don?t Cover Jihadist Attacks on Christians | FrontPage Magazine

Isn't this section/thread about Israel and Palestine? Why would you want to derail the thread? IWhat do Palestinian Christians and Muslims have to do with Egypt and the Copts? What's your point? That because Egypt is abusing Christians the Jews are allowed to do so too? I don't get it.

 

[Sally]

Of course I care about what is happening to Christians, that's why I am concerned about Palestinian Christians especially children at the hands of the Israeli Jews:

"In anticipation of the Pope’s May visit to the Holy Land, an Open Letter signed by over 200 bishops, clerics, members of religious orders and theologians from several faith traditions, was delivered today to Pope Francis. The letter asks the Pope to speak out against the Israeli army’s program of kidnapping, detention, and systematic abuse of Palestinian children and to call for an end to the occupation and colonization of Palestine.

The letter, whose signers include over 20 bishops, cites a recent UNICEF report that documents nighttime arrests, blindfolding and shackling of children between 12 and 18 years of age. Based on over 400 sworn testimonies, UNICEF concluded that the “ill-treatment of children who come into contact with the system appears to be widespread, systematic, and institutionalized throughout the process.”

- See more at: Ash Wednesday Letter to Pope Francis: Speak out against Targeting of Palestinian Children | Religion Press Release Services

If you were so concerned about what is happening to the Christians in other parts of the world, you certainly would be on other forums condemning what is happening to them. However, it is quite obvvious that you are very silent about this. Speaking of the Pope, why haven't you informed the viewers that the Pope is very worried about what is happening to the Christians in the Middle East and is concerned that their presence will be erased even though they are the descendents of the original Christians. Surely you must be aware that in Egypt they want to do away with the Christian Copts. Now here is one man -- a good Christian with Egyptioin roots -- who, unlike you is really concerned about what is happening. He collects information from the Christians groups who are operating in many countries and reports on what is happening to them. Naturally you are not interested in what is happening since it doesn't involved the Jews.

Why Media Don?t Cover Jihadist Attacks on Christians | FrontPage Magazine

Isn't this section/thread about Israel and Palestine? Why would you want to derail the thread? IWhat do Palestinian Christians and Muslims have to do with Egypt and the Copts? What's your point? That because Egypt is abusing Christians the Jews are allowed to do so too? I don't get it.

If you were so concerned with the Christians, you would be on other forums condemning what is happening to them. Meanwhile, the Christians and others in Israel seem to be enjoying practicing their own religious beliefs. Why not find a Bahai from Iran and ask him how many rights his relatives have in Iran compared to what they have in Israel? Why not find an Ahmadi Muslim in Israel and ask him if his relatives are safe in Israel unlike in Muslim countries where they are always harassed and murdered. It is quite evident that you really don't care what is happening to others elsewhere. You are just here to diss the Israel and nothing else, no matter what horrendous events are happening elsewhere. However, if it makes you think you are succeeding in whatever you are trying to do, go for it, but I think any reader with a head on his or her shoulder can figure out what you are doing by only concentrating on one tiny area of the world.

 

[aris2chat]

Can you link some evidence that the Palestinians charge a Jizya to non Muslims or are you lying again like you did for Falk?

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood to Coptic Christians: Convert to Islam, or pay 'jizya' tax - Washington Times

Christians must pay 'Jizyah' tax

You are being redirected...

Don't see Palestine in those links. Are you just lying for fun.

because you didn't bother to look at the links.

 

[Roudy]

Can you link some evidence that the Palestinians charge a Jizya to non Muslims or are you lying again like you did for Falk?

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood to Coptic Christians: Convert to Islam, or pay 'jizya' tax - Washington Times

Christians must pay 'Jizyah' tax

You are being redirected...

Don't see Palestine in those links. Are you just lying for fun.

No, no racism, hatred, religious persecution and call for genocide in the Palestinians Hamas Charter, which is the equivalent of their constitution. Let's review this peaceful piece of Islamic shit document:

Hamas Charter

Preamble

Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.

Article Seven:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Muslim Brotherhood. It goes on to reach out and become one with another chain that includes the struggle of the Palestinians and Muslim Brotherhood in the 1948 war and the Jihad operations of the Muslim Brotherhood in 1968 and after.

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

Article Seventeen:

The Muslim woman has a role no less important than that of the Muslim man in the battle of liberation. She is the maker of men. Her role in guiding and educating the new generations is great. The enemies have realised the importance of her role. They consider that if they are able to direct and bring her up they way they wish, far from Islam, they would have won the battle. That is why you find them giving these attempts constant attention through information campaigns, films, and the school curriculum, using for that purpose their lackeys who are infiltrated through Zionist organizations under various names and shapes, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, espionage groups and others, which are all nothing more than cells of subversion and saboteurs. These organizations have ample resources that enable them to play their role in societies for the purpose of achieving the Zionist targets and to deepen the concepts that would serve the enemy. These organizations operate in the absence of Islam and its estrangement among its people. The Islamic peoples should perform their role in confronting the conspiracies of these saboteurs. The day Islam is in control of guiding the affairs of life, these organizations, hostile to humanity and Islam, will be obliterated.

Article Twenty:

In their Nazi treatment, the Jews made no exception for women or children. Their policy of striking fear in the heart is meant for all. They attack people where their breadwinning is concerned, extorting their money and threatening their honour. They deal with people as if they were the worst war criminals. Deportation from the homeland is a kind of murder.

Article Twenty-Two:

For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.

"So often as they shall kindle a fire for war, Allah shall extinguish it; and they shall set their minds to act corruptly in the earth, but Allah loveth not the corrupt doers." (The Table - verse 64).

The imperialistic forces in the Capitalist West and Communist East, support the enemy with all their might, in money and in men. These forces take turns in doing that. The day Islam appears, the forces of infidelity would unite to challenge it, for the infidels are of one nation.

"O true believers, contract not an intimate friendship with any besides yourselves: they will not fail to corrupt you. They wish for that which may cause you to perish: their hatred hath already appeared from out of their mouths; but what their breasts conceal is yet more inveterate. We have already shown you signs of their ill will towards you, if ye understand." (The Family of Imran - verse 118).

It is not in vain that the verse is ended with Allah's words "if ye understand."

Article Twenty-Eight:

The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil and contemptible ways to achieve its end. It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.

Arab countries surrounding Israel are asked to open their borders before the fighters from among the Arab and Islamic nations so that they could consolidate their efforts with those of their Muslim brethren in Palestine.

As for the other Arab and Islamic countries, they are asked to facilitate the movement of the fighters from and to it, and this is the least thing they could do.

We should not forget to remind every Muslim that when the Jews conquered the Holy City in 1967, they stood on the threshold of the Aqsa Mosque and proclaimed that "Mohammed is dead, and his descendants are all women."
Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Muslim people. "May the cowards never sleep."

Article Thirty-Two:

World Zionism, together with imperialistic powers, try through a studied plan and an intelligent strategy to remove one Arab state after another from the circle of struggle against Zionism, in order to have it finally face the Palestinian people only. Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of the struggle, through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. They are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements and to bring them outside the circle of struggle.

The Islamic Resistance Movement calls on Arab and Islamic nations to take up the line of serious and persevering action to prevent the success of this horrendous plan, to warn the people of the danger eminating from leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism. Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another.

Any questions? LOL

 

[aris2chat]

Can you link some evidence that the Palestinians charge a Jizya to non Muslims or are you lying again like you did for Falk?

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood to Coptic Christians: Convert to Islam, or pay 'jizya' tax - Washington Times

Christians must pay 'Jizyah' tax

You are being redirected...

Don't see Palestine in those links. Are you just lying for fun.

I don't need to be insulted after getting you the information. Thank you is what you should have said instead of calling me a liar. I did not have to give you the links, I did it out of curtsey, so you could be better informed.

 

[aris2chat]

sorry to the rest about the shout but I was pi$$ed off.

 

[montelatici]

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood to Coptic Christians: Convert to Islam, or pay 'jizya' tax - Washington Times

Christians must pay 'Jizyah' tax

You are being redirected...

Don't see Palestine in those links. Are you just lying for fun.

I don't need to be insulted after getting you the information. Thank you is what you should have said instead of calling me a liar. I did not have to give you the links, I did it out of curtsey, so you could be better informed.

So, you are claiming that the Palestinian Authority is forcing non-Muslims to pay a tax for not being Muslim? The fact that Israel collects the taxes makes your claim more than absurd.

 

[aris2chat]

Don't see Palestine in those links. Are you just lying for fun.

I don't need to be insulted after getting you the information. Thank you is what you should have said instead of calling me a liar. I did not have to give you the links, I did it out of curtsey, so you could be better informed.

So, you are claiming that the Palestinian Authority is forcing non-Muslims to pay a tax for not being Muslim? The fact that Israel collects the taxes makes your claim more than absurd.

Hamas MP: We must massacre Jews, make the rest pay the jizya.
You should have gone to the sites given.

 

[RoccoR]

aris2chat, montelatici, et al,

I'm not sure, but I think the cite is from a Robert Spencer submission Mar 24, 2014, based on a MEMRI TV capture from March 6th off of Jihad Watch.

(COMMENT)

Hamas MP: We must massacre Jews, make the rest pay the jizya.
Everything Al-Astal says is based strictly on the Qur’an. It would be refreshing, therefore, for a moderate Muslim spokesman to explain exactly how Al-Astal is misunderstanding and misinterpreting the Qur’an, and to show why he is wrong on Islamic grounds. That is, however, one thing we can count on not happening.

“Hamas MP Al-Astal: We Must Massacre Jews, Impose Jizya Poll Tax on Them,” from MEMRI, March 6:

In a recent address, Hamas cleric and MP Yunis Al-Astal said that the Koran indicates that “we must massacre [the Jews]… to prevent them from sowing corruption in the world.” Al-Astal further said: “We must restore them to the state of humiliation imposed upon them… They must pay the jizya security tax while they live in our midst.” The address was aired on March 6, 2014, on the Hamas-owned Al-Aqsa TV, broadcasting from Gaza.​

Following are excerpts:

Yunis Al-Astal: In today’s show, we will discuss the demand that the Palestinian people recognize [Israel] as a Jewish state, so that the occupation will graciously hand them out scraps. I would like to begin by quoting what Allah said about them: “The worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who disbelieve. They are the ones with whom you made a covenant, but they break their covenant every time.” [...]​

I don't speak Arabic, so I did not mention it; but you Arabic speakers may open it for comment on its authenticity and accuracy.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

Don't see Palestine in those links. Are you just lying for fun.

I don't need to be insulted after getting you the information. Thank you is what you should have said instead of calling me a liar. I did not have to give you the links, I did it out of curtsey, so you could be better informed.

So, you are claiming that the Palestinian Authority is forcing non-Muslims to pay a tax for not being Muslim? The fact that Israel collects the taxes makes your claim more than absurd.

Palestinian Neanderthals call for the genocide of a Jews and total destruction of the Israel all the time. It's their idea of "peace" or should I say "piece".