Two little paragraphs...

[1stNickD]

MSN

in the above linked the above linked article talk about how these farmers have used irrigation for their cotton crops for thousands of years. Then they claim that man made global warming is the cause of exactly 42% of the current drought in the west.
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"Arizona's climate doesn't have enough rain to grow most crops. Still, for thousands of years, the rivers and aquifers that hold groundwater have supported the state's now $23 billion agriculture industry.

Climate change and dwindling water supplies have wreaked havoc on the once prosperous farms that could endure the arid conditions. The U.S. West is now experiencing a megadrought that's generated the two driest decades in the region in at least 1,200 years. Scientists say 42% of the drought's severity can be attributed to human-caused climate change, and warn that conditions could persist for years."
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Those two paragraphs are just another of many reasons why most people dismiss the bullshot from the wild eyed greenies. Using a such absolutes that are 100% impossible to determine make people roll their eyes at these people. Then as they talk about these water shortages they also talk about building more and more homes in areas where there is no water to live with.

First, its a freaking desert, deserts were never meant for raising vegetables and cotton, nor were deserts meant to support tens of millions of people, people who mostly blame everyone but themselves for their own water shortages. Deserts are for growing cactus, tumble weed and maybe a few Joshua trees, not for living like you were in the heart of Iowa or Illinois.

Modern farming has not occured for thousands and thousands of years in the American southwest, and the aboriginals were not planting tomatoes, cotton and green beans. This article is so full of shit and so poorly researched and written that it should be a crime to publish it.

Yes water is in short supply in the desert, and it was in short supply 1200 years ago and every day since, and probably for 10s of thousands of years before that. Thats why it is called a desert.

 

[Manonthestreet]

how much water did ethanol waste?

 

[1stNickD]

how much water did ethanol waste?

meaningless question that has nothing to do with the conversation. But nice try at deflection.

 

[Manonthestreet]

meaningless question that has nothing to do with the conversation. But nice try at deflection.

At least you get some return from farming whereas ethanol is total waste

 

[1stNickD]

At least you get some return from farming whereas ethanol is total waste

Again, you deflect from the conversation. Post something relevant or shut up.

 

[1srelluc]

I love me some western water threads.....They always remind me of this.

 

[White 6]

how much water did ethanol waste?

Little to none and being east of the continental divide, they don't supply water to the western deserts, either.

 

[Hossfly]

I love me some western water threads.....They always remind me of this.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

They can run a hose out to the Pacific Ocean.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Little to none and being east of the continental divide, they don't supply water to the western deserts, either.
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takes 3 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of ethanol......

 

[toobfreak]

Two little paragraphs...​

I guess people who try to grow crops in the desert ought not be too surprised if on occasion water supplies run short.

 

[1stNickD]

takes 3 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of ethanol......

You are off topic moron, this about fools living in the middle of the desert and crying for water. For your own education, the water used to make ethanol is treated to incredibly strict EPA standards and released right back into the rivers from whence it was taken, and usually a lot cleaner than it was when it was drawn. it passes EPA standards to be used for water treatment at Municipal water supplies. Now get on topic or STFU and start your own thread. Your insolent dishonesty is disgusting beyond belief.

 

[Concerned American]

MSN

in the above linked the above linked article talk about how these farmers have used irrigation for their cotton crops for thousands of years. Then they claim that man made global warming is the cause of exactly 42% of the current drought in the west.
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"Arizona's climate doesn't have enough rain to grow most crops. Still, for thousands of years, the rivers and aquifers that hold groundwater have supported the state's now $23 billion agriculture industry.

Climate change and dwindling water supplies have wreaked havoc on the once prosperous farms that could endure the arid conditions. The U.S. West is now experiencing a megadrought that's generated the two driest decades in the region in at least 1,200 years. Scientists say 42% of the drought's severity can be attributed to human-caused climate change, and warn that conditions could persist for years."
--------------------------

Those two paragraphs are just another of many reasons why most people dismiss the bullshot from the wild eyed greenies. Using a such absolutes that are 100% impossible to determine make people roll their eyes at these people. Then as they talk about these water shortages they also talk about building more and more homes in areas where there is no water to live with.

First, its a freaking desert, deserts were never meant for raising vegetables and cotton, nor were deserts meant to support tens of millions of people, people who mostly blame everyone but themselves for their own water shortages. Deserts are for growing cactus, tumble weed and maybe a few Joshua trees, not for living like you were in the heart of Iowa or Illinois.

Modern farming has not occured for thousands and thousands of years in the American southwest, and the aboriginals were not planting tomatoes, cotton and green beans. This article is so full of shit and so poorly researched and written that it should be a crime to publish it.

Yes water is in short supply in the desert, and it was in short supply 1200 years ago and every day since, and probably for 10s of thousands of years before that. Thats why it is called a desert.

Of course the extra 40 million people that are living there don't make any difference in regards to water allocation. The water supply is finite. The constantly increasing population isn't.

 

[Crick]

MSN

in the above linked the above linked article talk about how these farmers have used irrigation for their cotton crops for thousands of years. Then they claim that man made global warming is the cause of exactly 42% of the current drought in the west.
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"Arizona's climate doesn't have enough rain to grow most crops. Still, for thousands of years, the rivers and aquifers that hold groundwater have supported the state's now $23 billion agriculture industry.

Climate change and dwindling water supplies have wreaked havoc on the once prosperous farms that could endure the arid conditions. The U.S. West is now experiencing a megadrought that's generated the two driest decades in the region in at least 1,200 years. Scientists say 42% of the drought's severity can be attributed to human-caused climate change, and warn that conditions could persist for years."
--------------------------

Those two paragraphs are just another of many reasons why most people dismiss the bullshot from the wild eyed greenies. Using a such absolutes that are 100% impossible to determine make people roll their eyes at these people. Then as they talk about these water shortages they also talk about building more and more homes in areas where there is no water to live with.

First, its a freaking desert, deserts were never meant for raising vegetables and cotton, nor were deserts meant to support tens of millions of people, people who mostly blame everyone but themselves for their own water shortages. Deserts are for growing cactus, tumble weed and maybe a few Joshua trees, not for living like you were in the heart of Iowa or Illinois.

Modern farming has not occured for thousands and thousands of years in the American southwest, and the aboriginals were not planting tomatoes, cotton and green beans. This article is so full of shit and so poorly researched and written that it should be a crime to publish it.

Yes water is in short supply in the desert, and it was in short supply 1200 years ago and every day since, and probably for 10s of thousands of years before that. Thats why it is called a desert.

I read you article and though it fails to discuss that enormous growth in Arizona's irrigated agriculture in response to the enormous growth in the population relying on that agriculture for food, there are no falsehoods there.

If you were a farmer of 1200 years back growing a couple acres of land irrigated by the Colorado River, you likely had no water shortfalls. A modern day farmer attempting to grow several hundred acres of cotton several hundred miles from the river is in a far different situation. And, as two other paragraphs in your article clearly point out, science has warned of the coming water shortfall - based on nothing but population growth - for decades:

"Bradley Udall, a water and climate scientist at Colorado State University's Colorado Water Institute, is not shocked by the drop. After all, he said, scientists have been warning about declining reservoir levels in the West for at least four decades.

"The drop in reservoir contents is stunning, but it feels inevitable that we reached this point," Udall said. "It's super uncomfortable to say, 'We told you so,' but man — there's been a lot of science about this problem for a long time.";

So, it looks to me as if the problem is not the "wild eyed greenies", it's the people who chose to ignore them.

 

[ReinyDays]

I read you article and though it fails to discuss that enormous growth in Arizona's irrigated agriculture in response to the enormous growth in the population relying on that agriculture for food, there are no falsehoods there.

If you were a farmer of 1200 years back growing a couple acres of land irrigated by the Colorado River, you likely had no water shortfalls. A modern day farmer attempting to grow several hundred acres of cotton several hundred miles from the river is in a far different situation. And, as two other paragraphs in your article clearly point out, science has warned of the coming water shortfall - based on nothing but population growth - for decades:

"Bradley Udall, a water and climate scientist at Colorado State University's Colorado Water Institute, is not shocked by the drop. After all, he said, scientists have been warning about declining reservoir levels in the West for at least four decades.

"The drop in reservoir contents is stunning, but it feels inevitable that we reached this point," Udall said. "It's super uncomfortable to say, 'We told you so,' but man — there's been a lot of science about this problem for a long time.";

So, it looks to me as if the problem is not the "wild eyed greenies", it's the people who chose to ignore them.

Agreed ...

Additionally, it's well understood that these areas were wetter when the climate was warmer ... and Arizona had enough rainfall to be a grassland, or perhaps savanna is a better word ... The Navajo Nation had as advanced an agricultural technology as anyone at that time ... but was already in deep distress when whities showed up and burned everything down ... global cooling leads to a dryer Earth ...

 

[1stNickD]

I read you article and though it fails to discuss that enormous growth in Arizona's irrigated agriculture in response to the enormous growth in the population relying on that agriculture for food, there are no falsehoods there.

If you were a farmer of 1200 years back growing a couple acres of land irrigated by the Colorado River, you likely had no water shortfalls. A modern day farmer attempting to grow several hundred acres of cotton several hundred miles from the river is in a far different situation. And, as two other paragraphs in your article clearly point out, science has warned of the coming water shortfall - based on nothing but population growth - for decades:

"Bradley Udall, a water and climate scientist at Colorado State University's Colorado Water Institute, is not shocked by the drop. After all, he said, scientists have been warning about declining reservoir levels in the West for at least four decades.

"The drop in reservoir contents is stunning, but it feels inevitable that we reached this point," Udall said. "It's super uncomfortable to say, 'We told you so,' but man — there's been a lot of science about this problem for a long time.";

So, it looks to me as if the problem is not the "wild eyed greenies", it's the people who chose to ignore them.

There were no farmers 1200 years ago growing crops on a couple of acres. Thats one of the points. Plus there are too many people for the water they have, because they are in the desert. The aboriginals in the USA southwest did not have the type of advanced irrigation and cultivation methods of today, and most were nomadic moving to where resources were once they used everything they could find in one area. Yes people have warned of declining water for decades and decades, yet the left winged wild eyed greenie continued to live as if the water would never run out, until about ten years ago when they had to take their first 20 second shower. Then the tears started to flow like rain.

 

[ReinyDays]

There were no farmers 1200 years ago growing crops on a couple of acres. Thats one of the points.

That's a whitie lie to justify the destruction ... modeling ALL native Americans as Snakes ... yes, the Snake Nation was nasty, evil and hated by both whities and reddies ... but a fairly good percentage of native Americans were agricultural ...

All the rivers of North America had crops growing and canals to irrigate those crops ... since humans got here ... the materials California uses are modern, but the technology came to us from antiquity ... the archeological evidence is abundant ... feeding tens of thousands of people then where today we have millions ... thus the water shortages ... plain as day since 1869 ...

Genocide includes erasing the history of a people ...

 

[1stNickD]

Agreed ...

Additionally, it's well understood that these areas were wetter when the climate was warmer ... and Arizona had enough rainfall to be a grassland, or perhaps savanna is a better word ... The Navajo Nation had as advanced an agricultural technology as anyone at that time ... but was already in deep distress when whities showed up and burned everything down ... global cooling leads to a dryer Earth ...

Nice try to blame whitey for making the desert into a desert. you people are pathetic.

 

[ReinyDays]

Nice try to blame whitey for making the desert into a desert. you people are pathetic.

White people are pathetic? ... okay, I agree ... did you know the Colorado River doesn't flow into the ocean ... hasn't for decades ... for a whitie, you're not very smart ...

 

[westwall]

Agreed ...

Additionally, it's well understood that these areas were wetter when the climate was warmer ... and Arizona had enough rainfall to be a grassland, or perhaps savanna is a better word ... The Navajo Nation had as advanced an agricultural technology as anyone at that time ... but was already in deep distress when whities showed up and burned everything down ... global cooling leads to a dryer Earth ...

It's more complicated than that. Earth goes through regular cycles of warm/wet, cold/dry, warm/dry, cold/wet. I have the book somewhere and will post it up when I find it.