Turley - The Prosecution of Michael Flynn and the Travesty of Justice

[BlueGin]

Why does Trump keep appointing these traitorous losers in key positions that are just there to fuck him over.

We need a white eric "dick" holder with the same partisan bias on the right side, to sweep thru and just start throwing comrades in jail.... or at least wipe out their life savings trying to stay free. Use the gov't the way it supposed to be used!! Jesus Christ Donnie wake up!!!!!

I don’t understand why he kept all these Obama hold overs. So stupid. They should have been tossed day one.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Don't all the records say that there was absolutely no evidence to go after Flynn? What justified his entrapment?

Um, no the records say the opposite of that.

He was involved in a lot of stuff, including being an unregistered agent of Russia and Turkey, of taking gifts from Putin, of being invovled in several deals, and yes, of lying to the Vice President and the FBI about the content of his call to the Russian Ambassador.

He got a pass on all the other crimes except the last one, where he plead guilty (pretty much the end of the matter) to avoid him and his son getting prosecuted for all the other shit they were involved in.

Then he realized he might do better expecting Trump to give him a pardon or rig the system.

He wasn't registered? What?

What the hell is this?
FARA Registration - Flynn

Maybe he failed to update it, but the AG failed to give him the requisite 10-days notice. That's why they didn't prosecute him for FARA violations.

All they had left was "lying" to the FBI, so they ran with it.

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[Billiejeens]

He may well have pled just to get the Feds to stop racking him, but that doesn't mean he didn't lie to FBI agents. He did. What Barr/Turley are saying is that the FBI's reason to interview Flynn was primarily to get him to lie, and this would create a tool for the FBI to squeeze Flynn by giving him a choice between financial ruin for his family or to betray Trump.

For this reason, no REAL liberal should ever support a law that criminalizes "lying" to investigators. It becomes their immediate goal from the start. If they can get someone to lie (or even appear to have lied) they can abuse that person to no end. It is the very essence of entrapment and that law MUST go.

Not because I give a particular shit about a life-long Democrat like Flynn. Rather, I care about liberty. This power given to the FBI is way too easy to abuse.

Until that law is repealed, I will NEVER cooperate with the fucking suits without a hand-signed guarantee letter of absolute lifetime immunity from the FBI director him/herself. Even then, I might be hesitant. They can KISS MY ASS otherwise!!!

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I'm not a liberal and it's not "entrapment." The OP link said even an FBI higher up (forgot who and am not going back) asked "are we investigating a crime here, or just trying to get 'a lie'" Flynn was the focking Natl Sec Advisor to the President, and he was also a foreign representative. If the FBI was investigating Flynn and Turkey in relation to how he advised the President, and he lied …. I'd say drop him in a deep and dark and unfriendly hole. What he did was arguably worse the Snowden or Chelsea Manning.

But the FBI already know the facts of what Flynn had done to dishonor himself and potentially harm the country.

When push comes to shove on this issue, the question is whether the FBI's underhanded tricks would bother you if they used them to lock up a child pornographer or even get a terrorist aider to flip.

So I take it death angel that you'd be opposed to the FBI using the crime of lying to agents in order squeeze cooperation from an aider of a terrorist of child pornographer

Do you know that there is never a penalty to Godvernment agents LYING to citizens?

Dont you see a problem there?

Btw, HE DIDNT LIE. He pled guilty to protect his son.

When a Godvernment with UNLIMITED RESOURCES comes against YOU, you cannot win.

Playing stupid on this is destroying your party with the few moderates you have left.

No. Flynn TWICE under oath admitted he broke the law by lying to investigators. You're lying, not me.

I personally agree that in this instance, the FBI interviewed him in HOPING that he'd lie, because they wanted to see if he'd tell them if Trump conspired with Vlad.

My question is whether it's ok for the FBI to interview a person suspected of aiding a terrorist or child pornographer hoping to catch a lie and use that to squeeze cooperation out of the liar. You appear to say it shouldn't be done. And I admit I'm all in favor of the FBI jamming it up these guys because I don't see another way to get the bad guys.

The problem that stops you dead in your tracks is that Flynn didn't lie.

Just stop. Even his defenders acknowledge he lied. He either lied to the FBI or the Judge. It has to be one or the other. If he didn't lie to the FBI, he lied to the Judge when he said under oath TWICE that he lied.

Did Flynn Lie? | National Review

To believe Flynn told the agents the truth, you must believe that (a) he lied to the court when he pled guilty and (b) he is still lying to the court.

www.nationalreview.com

I realize you may be scoring points in your own mind by stating facts that cannot be true, but doing that doesn't further the argument for Flynn. But the FBI initially said that why Flynn's statements about what he did with the Russian ambassador were not correct, Flynn might not have been intending to deceive. Perhaps that's hard to believe, and I think he was trying to be deceptive, but he was simply out of his depth. Flynn was never a "develop policy guy." He was an intelligence officer.

But even if one assumes he lied four times …. why put the guy in jail. It makes no sense. We're letting out all kinds of non-violent (I hope not violent) criminals. Flynn may be a lot of things, but he's not a criminal. He didn't take other people's stuff.

At this point my only viable option is to accept that you don't and won't understand what has happened.

Stick with the Ouija board. Flynn was hogtied, sheep dipped and sheered, but he lied like a champ.

Still … prison? I mean seriously. His honor is gone. His military peers are gone. His money is gone. Whata they wanna do? Put him on a ship never to set a foot on US soil again? Harsh.

I have already accepted that you are immune to the facts of the situation
No further effort is required.

 

[Billiejeens]

Why does Trump keep appointing these traitorous losers in key positions that are just there to fuck him over.

We need a white eric "dick" holder with the same partisan bias on the right side, to sweep thru and just start throwing comrades in jail.... or at least wipe out their life savings trying to stay free. Use the gov't the way it supposed to be used!! Jesus Christ Donnie wake up!!!!!

I don’t understand why he kept all these Obama hold overs. So stupid. They should have been tossed day one.

Nearly impossible to even attempt that -
That really would be chaos.

But - some effort toward that end - sure.

 

[JoeB131]

He wasn't registered? What?

What the hell is this?
FARA Registration - Flynn

Maybe he failed to update it, but the AG failed to give him the requisite 10-days notice. That's why they didn't prosecute him for FARA violations.

All they had left was "lying" to the FBI, so they ran with it.

No, they had him on all that stuff, they let him plead guilty on the least serious charge in exchange for his cooperation.. Then he stopped cooperating.

 

[bendog]

He may well have pled just to get the Feds to stop racking him, but that doesn't mean he didn't lie to FBI agents. He did. What Barr/Turley are saying is that the FBI's reason to interview Flynn was primarily to get him to lie, and this would create a tool for the FBI to squeeze Flynn by giving him a choice between financial ruin for his family or to betray Trump.

For this reason, no REAL liberal should ever support a law that criminalizes "lying" to investigators. It becomes their immediate goal from the start. If they can get someone to lie (or even appear to have lied) they can abuse that person to no end. It is the very essence of entrapment and that law MUST go.

Not because I give a particular shit about a life-long Democrat like Flynn. Rather, I care about liberty. This power given to the FBI is way too easy to abuse.

Until that law is repealed, I will NEVER cooperate with the fucking suits without a hand-signed guarantee letter of absolute lifetime immunity from the FBI director him/herself. Even then, I might be hesitant. They can KISS MY ASS otherwise!!!

.

I'm not a liberal and it's not "entrapment." The OP link said even an FBI higher up (forgot who and am not going back) asked "are we investigating a crime here, or just trying to get 'a lie'" Flynn was the focking Natl Sec Advisor to the President, and he was also a foreign representative. If the FBI was investigating Flynn and Turkey in relation to how he advised the President, and he lied …. I'd say drop him in a deep and dark and unfriendly hole. What he did was arguably worse the Snowden or Chelsea Manning.

But the FBI already know the facts of what Flynn had done to dishonor himself and potentially harm the country.

When push comes to shove on this issue, the question is whether the FBI's underhanded tricks would bother you if they used them to lock up a child pornographer or even get a terrorist aider to flip.

So I take it death angel that you'd be opposed to the FBI using the crime of lying to agents in order squeeze cooperation from an aider of a terrorist of child pornographer

Do you know that there is never a penalty to Godvernment agents LYING to citizens?

Dont you see a problem there?

Btw, HE DIDNT LIE. He pled guilty to protect his son.

When a Godvernment with UNLIMITED RESOURCES comes against YOU, you cannot win.

Playing stupid on this is destroying your party with the few moderates you have left.

No. Flynn TWICE under oath admitted he broke the law by lying to investigators. You're lying, not me.

I personally agree that in this instance, the FBI interviewed him in HOPING that he'd lie, because they wanted to see if he'd tell them if Trump conspired with Vlad.

My question is whether it's ok for the FBI to interview a person suspected of aiding a terrorist or child pornographer hoping to catch a lie and use that to squeeze cooperation out of the liar. You appear to say it shouldn't be done. And I admit I'm all in favor of the FBI jamming it up these guys because I don't see another way to get the bad guys.

The problem that stops you dead in your tracks is that Flynn didn't lie.

Just stop. Even his defenders acknowledge he lied. He either lied to the FBI or the Judge. It has to be one or the other. If he didn't lie to the FBI, he lied to the Judge when he said under oath TWICE that he lied.

Did Flynn Lie? | National Review

To believe Flynn told the agents the truth, you must believe that (a) he lied to the court when he pled guilty and (b) he is still lying to the court.

www.nationalreview.com

I realize you may be scoring points in your own mind by stating facts that cannot be true, but doing that doesn't further the argument for Flynn. But the FBI initially said that why Flynn's statements about what he did with the Russian ambassador were not correct, Flynn might not have been intending to deceive. Perhaps that's hard to believe, and I think he was trying to be deceptive, but he was simply out of his depth. Flynn was never a "develop policy guy." He was an intelligence officer.

But even if one assumes he lied four times …. why put the guy in jail. It makes no sense. We're letting out all kinds of non-violent (I hope not violent) criminals. Flynn may be a lot of things, but he's not a criminal. He didn't take other people's stuff.

At this point my only viable option is to accept that you don't and won't understand what has happened.

Stick with the Ouija board. Flynn was hogtied, sheep dipped and sheered, but he lied like a champ.

Still … prison? I mean seriously. His honor is gone. His military peers are gone. His money is gone. Whata they wanna do? Put him on a ship never to set a foot on US soil again? Harsh.

I have already accepted that you are immune to the facts of the situation
No further effort is required.

LOL. You can accept that he lied to save his boy.

 

[Nostra]

Leftist Turley is correct.