Turkey will veto Sweden and Finland NATO membership.

[Rigby5]

And why should I believe you........either way the tank crews are dead.

Globalist are screwing us on purpose with the dollar........Which will lead to another depression........It WILL EFFECT ALL on the planet.........

But Russia is NOT THE GREAT SAVIOR......they with China and many other countries are moving off the dollar......Doesn't change the fact we still have a whole shit load of weapons.

Anyway........Russia attacks NATO WE WILL KILL THEM.

You don't have to take my word for anything, it is obvious the Russians sent in their old stuff to the Ukraine.

{...
Experts have noted that older Russian tanks — including the T-72 and T-80 now in use in the invasion of Ukraine — are plagued by a “jack-in-the-box” design flaw that puts them at risk of losing their tops in an attack due to the storage of ammunition directly below their turrets. Western militaries have been aware of the defect for decades.
...}

Russia reportedly loses most advanced tank during fighting in Ukraine

Russia has suffered another military embarrassment after Ukrainian forces reportedly destroyed its most advanced tank, the T-90M — just days after it was deployed.

nypost.com

The US does not even keep any tanks that old.

If the US tries to put nukes on Russia's border, they will attack, and Russia will win because we are far to fragile financially, with a national debt of $45 billion that it seems we just added another $40 billion to.
If we forced a war with Russia, the whole world would drop our currency and we would be bankrupt.
We could not fight anyone.
While Russia would never quit, and use nukes if necessary, something the US could not possibly survive, while Russia could easily.

 

[frigidweirdo]

frigidweirdo

You sound suspiciously like an apologist, here.

I couldn't give a fuck. You want to talk about me, it's not going to happen.

We're talking about the issue. I'm not going to go off topic and talk about me.

 

[eagle1462010]

You don't have to take my word for anything, it is obvious the Russians sent in their old stuff to the Ukraine.

{...
Experts have noted that older Russian tanks — including the T-72 and T-80 now in use in the invasion of Ukraine — are plagued by a “jack-in-the-box” design flaw that puts them at risk of losing their tops in an attack due to the storage of ammunition directly below their turrets. Western militaries have been aware of the defect for decades.
...}

Russia reportedly loses most advanced tank during fighting in Ukraine

Russia has suffered another military embarrassment after Ukrainian forces reportedly destroyed its most advanced tank, the T-90M — just days after it was deployed.

nypost.com

The US does not even keep any tanks that old.

If the US tries to put nukes on Russia's border, they will attack, and Russia will win because we are far to fragile financially, with a national debt of $45 billion that it seems we just added another $40 billion to.
If we forced a war with Russia, the whole world would drop our currency and we would be bankrupt.
We could not fight anyone.
While Russia would never quit, and use nukes if necessary, something the US could not possibly survive, while Russia could easily.

Weapons don't care bout currency manipulation..........put the Ruble all over your newest tanks and they will still be blown to hell.

We have no reason to fear Russia............they have shown themselves to be a paper tiger...........only the Nukes keep them from getting destroyed.....We HAVE NOT ATTACKED YOU.

NATO IS A DEFENSIVE PACT.............DO NOT TEST US.

 

[Rigby5]

Baloney........your history with the USSR is complete BS and you have used your influence and weapons all over the world....

NATO was there AGAINST YOU.........You hate them because you can't have your way with NATO countries and be the USSR AGAIN.

The main conflicts between the US and Russia have always been illegal US aggression, where we tried to install dictators illegal.
Like Chang Kai Shek in China, Syngman Rhee in Korea, Diem in Vietnam, Batista in Cuba, Samosa in Nicaragua, Chalabi in Iraq, etc.

Russia ended the USSR because it cost them too much money.
They did not illegal steal resources like we do.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I couldn't give a fuck. You want to talk about me, it's not going to happen.

We're talking about the issue. I'm not going to go off topic and talk about me.

I am talking about your arguments. So re read with that in mind. I find them to be a bit bizarre, misguided, and out of touch with reality.

 

[eagle1462010]

The main conflicts between the US and Russia have always been illegal US aggression, where we tried to install dictators illegal.
Like Chang Kai Shek in China, Syngman Rhee in Korea, Diem in Vietnam, Batista in Cuba, Samosa in Nicaragua, Chalabi in Iraq, etc.

Russia ended the USSR because it cost them too much money.
They did not illegal steal resources like we do.

Oh that's right.........Russia is full of ANGELS.........here to bring joy to the world............Kinda like Santa Claus.............that is just WONDERFULL.

Do you actually think I'll believe that BS...............lol

Afghanistan.........You wanted the Caspian oil............Middle East you armed anyone who were against us or Israel...........Helped arm 2 Wars against Israel. Armed our enemies in Vietnam. Korea.......

Not to mention Stalin and the Bolsheviks were murdering SOBs.........

 

[frigidweirdo]

I am talking about your arguments. So re read with that in mind. I find them to be a bit bizarre, misguided, and out of touch with reality.

Then, bye

 

[Rigby5]

Oh that's right.........Russia is full of ANGELS.........here to bring joy to the world............Kinda like Santa Claus.............that is just WONDERFULL.

Do you actually think I'll believe that BS...............lol

Afghanistan.........You wanted the Caspian oil............Middle East you armed anyone who were against us or Israel...........Helped arm 2 Wars against Israel. Armed our enemies in Vietnam. Korea.......

Not to mention Stalin and the Bolsheviks were murdering SOBs.........

We armed and bribed the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.
Russia got nothing out of Afghanistan.
The Caspian is almost completely surrounded by Russia and its allies.
Afghanistan has no part of the Caspian Sea.
And Afghanistan is not an oil producer.
Russia has always been an Israeli ally.
We were the aggressor in Vietnam, illegally pushing a miliary coup that took Bau Dai out of power and installed the dictator Diem.
We prevented any democracy in Vietnam.
It was so bad, even the Buddhist monks hated us.

There is nothing good to say about Stalin or even Khrushchev, but we were talking about Russia, not the USSR.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Then, bye

Tap out?

It is apologist. I am not even sure what you're point is. It's isn't a significant factor? Not one of the most significant factors?

Then why the big correlation in the data? Why did UK right wing politicians focus in it? Why did the "leaver" Brits vote it (immigration) as their 2nd largest concern, in Brexit, behind "independence" (Nationalism).

Just like here in the US, we are talking a lot of rural and suburban people who have virtually zero contact with immigrants.

Nationalism. Then immigrants.

Coincidence? Come on.

The right wing UK politicians drove immigration into the ground for good reason: they knew the score. And it worked.

So do I.

 

[Rigby5]

Weapons don't care bout currency manipulation..........put the Ruble all over your newest tanks and they will still be blown to hell.

We have no reason to fear Russia............they have shown themselves to be a paper tiger...........only the Nukes keep them from getting destroyed.....We HAVE NOT ATTACKED YOU.

NATO IS A DEFENSIVE PACT.............DO NOT TEST US.

If the US becomes bankrupt, as it will if the rest of the world drops the dollar as its reserve currency, then we will not be able to build any weapons any more.
And yes we have constantly attacked Russia.
We attacked Russia by putting nukes in Turkey on the 50s.
We attacked Russia by arming the Mujahideen in 1979.
We attacked Russia by conducting the coup in the Ukraine in 2014.

 

[eagle1462010]

We armed and bribed the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

Northern Alliance as well..........Returning the favor for Vietnam. Oh well.

Russia got nothing out of Afghanistan.

That is because you lost...........No one every wins there......Including us.

The Caspian is almost completely surrounded by Russia and its allies.

And you wanted to pipe it out and lost........That was why Russia was there.. Excuse me.........USSR.

And Afghanistan is not an oil producer.

You needed the land to pipe it out.

We were the aggressor in Vietnam, illegally pushing a miliary coup that took Bau Dai out of power and installed the dictator Diem.
We prevented any democracy in Vietnam.
It was so bad, even the Buddhist monks hated us.

Stupid War ........but Vietnam was communist......South Vietnam didn't want to be...........Fought by politicians on the enemies terms instead of hitting the North is the only reason we didn't win..............Politics ran us out. TET was a complete military failure for the VC.

 

[eagle1462010]

If the US becomes bankrupt, as it will if the rest of the world drops the dollar as its reserve currency, then we will not be able to build any weapons any more.

Depends ..........we can go back to producing our own stuff.......We have the resources....we just been punked by the globalist............Changes nothing on what we already have.....Not to mention the largest armed army in the world is the American people........We have more weapons and ammo than any nation on earth.

 

[Rigby5]

Ukraine could have reconfigured them and made them operational.

This is exactly why Russia signed the treaty with them

Duh.

Wrong.
Without the correct security codes, nukes are designed to blow up.
The Ukraine could not possibly have used those old Soviet nukes in any way.

Russia had already signed a treaty with the Ukraine, but its independence was dependent upon never joining an alliance hostile to Russia.
Since Zelensky is constantly trying to join NATO and NATO is openly hostile to Russian that independence treaty is null and void.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Wrong.
Without the correct security codes, nukes are designed to blow up.
The Ukraine could not possibly have used those old Soviet nukes in any way.

Russia had already signed a treaty with the Ukraine, but its independence was dependent upon never joining an alliance hostile to Russia.
Since Zelensky is constantly trying to join NATO and NATO is openly hostile to Russian that independence treaty is null and void.

Sorry, I think I will go with the academics and experts over the things you are just making up.

Surely you understand.

12-18 months to repurpose

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0043820016673777

 

[Rigby5]

Northern Alliance as well..........Returning the favor for Vietnam. Oh well.


That is because you lost...........No one every wins there......Including us.


And you wanted to pipe it out and lost........That was why Russia was there.. Excuse me.........USSR.


You needed the land to pipe it out.


Stupid War ........but Vietnam was communist......South Vietnam didn't want to be...........Fought by politicians on the enemies terms instead of hitting the North is the only reason we didn't win..............Politics ran us out. TET was a complete military failure for the VC.

We started the war in Vietnam by preventing Bau Dai from conducting free elections in 1955.
Russia did not lose in Afghanistan, but Russia simply withdrew and let Karmal fight alone for years before he finally lost.
There is no possible use for Afghanistan as a pipeline to anywhere.
All the Russian oil and gas was sold in Europe, which is why the pipelines went through the Ukraine, and the Ukraine was able to steal so much.

And you are wrong about Vietnam being communist, as Ho Chi Minh only turned communist in desperation after 10 years of the US turning him down and backing France instead.
And South Vietnam considered Ho Chi Minh a hero, so you are wrong that the US interference was even remotely popular.
Which is why we would have lost even if we had flattened the entire north.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Tap out?

Fuck off

 

[eagle1462010]

We started the war in Vietnam by preventing Bau Dai from conducting free elections in 1955.
Russia did not lose in Afghanistan, but Russia simply withdrew and let Karmal fight alone for years before he finally lost.
There is no possible use for Afghanistan as a pipeline to anywhere.
All the Russian oil and gas was sold in Europe, which is why the pipelines went through the Ukraine, and the Ukraine was able to steal so much.

And you are wrong about Vietnam being communist, as Ho Chi Minh only turned communist in desperation after 10 years of the US turning him down and backing France instead.
And South Vietnam considered Ho Chi Minh a hero, so you are wrong that the US interference was even remotely popular.
Which is why we would have lost even if we had flattened the entire north.

Baloney.........you started taking losses and a never ending War..........so you left...........Stop lying.

BS pm North Vietnam too. While we should have left it alone they thought it was another Korea......

And South Korea is Free because of that War.

 

[Rigby5]

Depends ..........we can go back to producing our own stuff.......We have the resources....we just been punked by the globalist............Changes nothing on what we already have.....Not to mention the largest armed army in the world is the American people........We have more weapons and ammo than any nation on earth.

We don't even produce any cellphones or computers any more.
If the US loses the world currency standard, then China will no longer fund the national debt, and we not only will be bankrupt, but unable to produce or sell anything.
Everyone has the resources, but we don't have the skills any more.
The US universities are teaching Python instead of C/C++ any more.
Sure we have the largest army and arms, but they won't be any good if we can't pay our bills.

 

[Rigby5]

Sorry, I think I will go with the academics and experts over the things you are just making up.

Surely you understand.

12-18 months to repurpose

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0043820016673777

Your link said that it might have been possible for the Ukraine to gain control over the Soviet nukes, but I think they are wrong, and would just have ended up causing detonation if they had tried. But clearly your own link said it never happened. The Ukraine never had operational control over any nukes.

{...
Operational command and control over the strategic nuclear weapons—the ICBMs and ALCMs—remained in Moscow. In April 1992, Ukraine established the so-called “administrative control” over its nuclear forces, which essentially meant that it obligated the troops associated with these units to take the Ukrainian military oath. In addition, it established some measure of negative operational control, in other words, the capacity to block a potential nuclear launch from Ukraine’s territory initiated by the Russian president and military command, who possessed the “button.” All of that, however, applied to the delivery vehicles—the missiles and the bombers. The nuclear warheads to arm these vehicles, some of them kept in separate storage facilities on the bases, were essentially in the custody of the Russian military all along.

According to Western analysts, Ukraine had the technological capacity to break the Russian authorization codes and establish full operational control over its nuclear arsenal within 12 to 18 months (see DeWing 1993). Indeed, a few attempts to do so had been registered both by the Russian military and by the Western intelligence agencies in mid-1993. The question was not whether Ukraine could, but rather whether it should do so. The West made it quite clear that any attempt to establish independent operational control over Ukraine’s nuclear armaments would mean international isolation, sanctions, or even the withdrawal of diplomatic recognition extended to Ukraine by the United States and its North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) allies on condition that Ukraine would join the NPT as an NNWS. In addition, Ukraine could certainly not count on the benevolence of the Russian political and military establishment if it moved to wrest from it the control over nuclear armaments.
...}

It is virtually impossible to reverse engineer the delicate programs used to aim and arm nukes

 

[Rigby5]

Baloney.........you started taking losses and a never ending War..........so you left...........Stop lying.

BS pm North Vietnam too. While we should have left it alone they thought it was another Korea......

And South Korea is Free because of that War.

Wrong on all counts.

And the only reason South Korea ended up being free, is that in the 1990s, a general decided to make South Korea free.
Before that, South Korea was a dictatorship even worse then North Korea.
Don't forget that Syngman Rhee caused the Korea war by massacring civilians, and that WE illegal installed Syngman Rhee, who was a felon due to fraud and theft.