Tulsi: We Now Need Universal Income

[DOTR]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Uuuhmmm...this for all those who were saying "Tulsi is the most normal of the bunch". She is a power hungry Marxist like the rest or she wouldn't have risen in the Democrat Party. Yes its funny to see her slap Hillary around but thats just a cat fight between the two for who gets the top affirmative action spot as the woman standard bearer for the party of grievance.

In the end, as they do for every "crisis", they want the left ratchet to turn and hope that fear will enable an advance of their agenda. "Universal income" didnt pop up suddenly. It has been bandied about by billionaires and democrats in the media for about two years now. This is just a nice occasion to try and impose it.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste"

 

[Toro]

I did the math on this.

It would cost the Federal Treasury $2.8 trillion. The entire Federal budget is $3.3 trillion.

So it's untenable.

 

[DOTR]

Look at the dates from when this media/billionaire campaign for universal serfdom started. As always they been crouched in the wings waiting for an opportunity to push the knife in. In the end they always do the bidding of the wealthy elites.

What billionaires and business titans say about cash handouts in 2017 (Hint: lots!)

A Japanese billionaire is running a $9 million basic income experiment via Twitter

https://www.industryleadersmagazine...epreneurs-who-support-universal-basic-income/

Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey is fascinated by the idea of UBI as perhaps the most effective way of redistributing his wealth : BasicIncome

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Jeff Bezos Call for Universal Basic Income

Billionaire Richard Branson: America should give out free cash to fix income inequality

Bill Gates says it's too early for basic income, but over time 'countries will be rich enough'

 

[MarathonMike]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

There is a huge difference between temporarily giving billions and permanently giving trillions.

 

[task0778]

Joe Rogan & Tulsi Gabbard - Discussing Universal Basic Income

In this video, she is talking about replacing social programs with UI. That's kind of what I was discussing before. I think the calculations should be run on it to see if it would save the country money, and at the same time, everybody benefits equally instead of just the poor.

I can see how this goes, let's send out the UBI first and THEN we'll get rid of the social programs. I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. How many seniors are going to be willing to give up their SS check plus Medicare or Medicaid, etc., for a $1000 monthly check? I don't think so.

What we have here is political bullshit.

As I stated earlier, it can't be this massive change in social programs overnight. If this is to work, then the only sticking point is Medicare. If the UI check was $1,500 a month, that's not much different than most middle-class workers would get at retirement. Continue Medicare for people 45 years of age and older. Those younger would have to invest their money into long-term elderly care.

Or perhaps, we keep Medicare as the only surviving social program, and replace all others with UI. People currently on Medicaid would have to use some, if not a good portion of their new found money, to replace it. Nothing gained--nothing lost.

Now if we were to do that, we could quadruple the employee and employer contribution to Medicare to actually fund the program, and the employer and employee would both save a ton of money since there would be no SS or FICA deduction that the employer must match.

The only other downfall would be this massive reduction in our federal government which would be responsible for thousands of federal government workers to be laid off, not to mention the satellite offices around the country that could be closed down saving us billions of dollars a year to help fund UI.

Geez, Ray. At $1500 a month for over 200 million adults that comes out to $300 billion a month. That's $3.6 trillion a year, we ain't going to save that much money even if we ditched Medicare and Medicaid and every other social safety net program. I think the Dems would love to pass the UBI, and then renege on getting rid of the other social programs.

 

[Mac-7]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

your analogy is totally off base. The Trump tax cuts applied to businesses large and small, and every individual that pays taxes.

UI would do nothing but create another government "entitlement" program that would require a new huge government agency to administer and would be rampant with fraud and abuse.

explain exactly how trump is "giving billions to industry". Then contrast that with Obama's auto bail out programs and his funding of massive failures like Solyndra.

White House likely to pursue federal aid for shale companies hit by oil shock, coronavirus downturn

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/10/trump-oil-bailout/

Federal aid, not tax cuts.

I dont subscribe to WaPo so I cant read their propaganda

Therefor I have no further comment

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Joe Rogan & Tulsi Gabbard - Discussing Universal Basic Income

In this video, she is talking about replacing social programs with UI. That's kind of what I was discussing before. I think the calculations should be run on it to see if it would save the country money, and at the same time, everybody benefits equally instead of just the poor.

I can see how this goes, let's send out the UBI first and THEN we'll get rid of the social programs. I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. How many seniors are going to be willing to give up their SS check plus Medicare or Medicaid, etc., for a $1000 monthly check? I don't think so.

What we have here is political bullshit.

As I stated earlier, it can't be this massive change in social programs overnight. If this is to work, then the only sticking point is Medicare. If the UI check was $1,500 a month, that's not much different than most middle-class workers would get at retirement. Continue Medicare for people 45 years of age and older. Those younger would have to invest their money into long-term elderly care.

Or perhaps, we keep Medicare as the only surviving social program, and replace all others with UI. People currently on Medicaid would have to use some, if not a good portion of their new found money, to replace it. Nothing gained--nothing lost.

Now if we were to do that, we could quadruple the employee and employer contribution to Medicare to actually fund the program, and the employer and employee would both save a ton of money since there would be no SS or FICA deduction that the employer must match.

The only other downfall would be this massive reduction in our federal government which would be responsible for thousands of federal government workers to be laid off, not to mention the satellite offices around the country that could be closed down saving us billions of dollars a year to help fund UI.

Geez, Ray. At $1500 a month for over 200 million adults that comes out to $300 billion a month. That's $3.6 trillion a year, we ain't going to save that much money even if we ditched Medicare and Medicaid and every other social safety net program. I think the Dems would love to pass the UBI, and then renege on getting rid of the other social programs.

That's what I told Mac-7. I stated that is the only danger, that the Democrats would continue to add these programs back little by little.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Uuuhmmm...this for all those who were saying "Tulsi is the most normal of the bunch". She is a power hungry Marxist like the rest or she wouldn't have risen in the Democrat Party. Yes its funny to see her slap Hillary around but thats just a cat fight between the two for who gets the top affirmative action spot as the woman standard bearer for the party of grievance.

In the end, as they do for every "crisis", they want the left ratchet to turn and hope that fear will enable an advance of their agenda. "Universal income" didnt pop up suddenly. It has been bandied about by billionaires and democrats in the media for about two years now. This is just a nice occasion to try and impose it.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste"

It's been around longer than two years. Several places have voted on having it, but was always voted down. Tulsi is the first one that actually submitted a bill to have it though. She knows she needs a splash for people to even consider voting for her. I'm guessing she thought this might be it. She knows how much Democrat constituents love free stuff from the government.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

Her goal here is more government dependents. If a person is working just fine, same hours, bringing home the same pay, how would $1,000 a month help him or her in regards to the coronavirus? If a person cannot work, how can $1,000 a month replace a standard middle-class income?

After a few months of getting free money, people would then want it all the time, even if we totally wiped out the virus. It wouldn't be able to stop. Either that, or people would demand their representatives figure out a way to actually keep it permanent, thus an introduction to universal income as a standard of living in the US, even illegals.

Tulis is living by the Democrat motto: never let a good crisis go to waste. We all know how badly Democrats want to create more government dependents, and they are finding ways to do that using this virus as an excuse.

But industry can go running to the government for more money and that is fine. Banks and Wall Street can demand billions daily and that is good.

I don't know that anybody is demanding anything. The government trying to prop up our industry via less taxation isn't the same as handing every adult American $1,000 a month. After all, where would all of us be if this thing really got out of control and collapsed our market? It hurts a hell of a lot more people than just on Wall Street. It would hurt nearly every single American in the country.

 

[DOTR]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Uuuhmmm...this for all those who were saying "Tulsi is the most normal of the bunch". She is a power hungry Marxist like the rest or she wouldn't have risen in the Democrat Party. Yes its funny to see her slap Hillary around but thats just a cat fight between the two for who gets the top affirmative action spot as the woman standard bearer for the party of grievance.

In the end, as they do for every "crisis", they want the left ratchet to turn and hope that fear will enable an advance of their agenda. "Universal income" didnt pop up suddenly. It has been bandied about by billionaires and democrats in the media for about two years now. This is just a nice occasion to try and impose it.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste"

It's been around longer than two years. Several places have voted on having it, but was always voted down. Tulsi is the first one that actually submitted a bill to have it though. She knows she needs a splash for people to even consider voting for her. I'm guessing she thought this might be it. She knows how much Democrat constituents love free stuff from the government.

I know the idea has been around but I noticed the real media push started about two years ago. But yes its been around as an idea since the 1800's. It was a matter of moving the Overton window to within striking distance. A constant drumbeat of billionaires and the press working together to get the idea out, even if defeated, then sooner or later a "crisis" and the chance to move the country more into the Marxist orbit.

I dont know which one decided the time was opportune and jumped first in this instance but this...

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez demands the government distribute a universal basic income and implement 'Medicare for all' to fight the coronavirus

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."
Rahm Emmanuel

 

[DOTR]

So many "crisis"...so much opportunity.

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[task0778]

Joe Rogan & Tulsi Gabbard - Discussing Universal Basic Income

In this video, she is talking about replacing social programs with UI. That's kind of what I was discussing before. I think the calculations should be run on it to see if it would save the country money, and at the same time, everybody benefits equally instead of just the poor.

I can see how this goes, let's send out the UBI first and THEN we'll get rid of the social programs. I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. How many seniors are going to be willing to give up their SS check plus Medicare or Medicaid, etc., for a $1000 monthly check? I don't think so.

What we have here is political bullshit.

As I stated earlier, it can't be this massive change in social programs overnight. If this is to work, then the only sticking point is Medicare. If the UI check was $1,500 a month, that's not much different than most middle-class workers would get at retirement. Continue Medicare for people 45 years of age and older. Those younger would have to invest their money into long-term elderly care.

Or perhaps, we keep Medicare as the only surviving social program, and replace all others with UI. People currently on Medicaid would have to use some, if not a good portion of their new found money, to replace it. Nothing gained--nothing lost.

Now if we were to do that, we could quadruple the employee and employer contribution to Medicare to actually fund the program, and the employer and employee would both save a ton of money since there would be no SS or FICA deduction that the employer must match.

The only other downfall would be this massive reduction in our federal government which would be responsible for thousands of federal government workers to be laid off, not to mention the satellite offices around the country that could be closed down saving us billions of dollars a year to help fund UI.

Geez, Ray. At $1500 a month for over 200 million adults that comes out to $300 billion a month. That's $3.6 trillion a year, we ain't going to save that much money even if we ditched Medicare and Medicaid and every other social safety net program. I think the Dems would love to pass the UBI, and then renege on getting rid of the other social programs.

That's what I told Mac-7. I stated that is the only danger, that the Democrats would continue to add these programs back little by little.

Or not end them in the first place.

 

[pknopp]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

There is a huge difference between temporarily giving billions and permanently giving trillions.

No there isn't. Your "temporary" never is. We have been providing socialist corporate subsidies for decades.

 

[pknopp]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

your analogy is totally off base. The Trump tax cuts applied to businesses large and small, and every individual that pays taxes.

UI would do nothing but create another government "entitlement" program that would require a new huge government agency to administer and would be rampant with fraud and abuse.

explain exactly how trump is "giving billions to industry". Then contrast that with Obama's auto bail out programs and his funding of massive failures like Solyndra.

White House likely to pursue federal aid for shale companies hit by oil shock, coronavirus downturn

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/10/trump-oil-bailout/

Federal aid, not tax cuts.

I dont subscribe to WaPo so I cant read their propaganda

Therefor I have no further comment

I do not either but for whatever reason it opens so I will assume you didn't click.

 

[pknopp]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

Her goal here is more government dependents. If a person is working just fine, same hours, bringing home the same pay, how would $1,000 a month help him or her in regards to the coronavirus? If a person cannot work, how can $1,000 a month replace a standard middle-class income?

After a few months of getting free money, people would then want it all the time, even if we totally wiped out the virus. It wouldn't be able to stop. Either that, or people would demand their representatives figure out a way to actually keep it permanent, thus an introduction to universal income as a standard of living in the US, even illegals.

Tulis is living by the Democrat motto: never let a good crisis go to waste. We all know how badly Democrats want to create more government dependents, and they are finding ways to do that using this virus as an excuse.

But industry can go running to the government for more money and that is fine. Banks and Wall Street can demand billions daily and that is good.

I don't know that anybody is demanding anything. The government trying to prop up our industry via less taxation isn't the same as handing every adult American $1,000 a month. After all, where would all of us be if this thing really got out of control and collapsed our market? It hurts a hell of a lot more people than just on Wall Street. It would hurt nearly every single American in the country.

Dishonest post. Dismissed.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Uuuhmmm...this for all those who were saying "Tulsi is the most normal of the bunch". She is a power hungry Marxist like the rest or she wouldn't have risen in the Democrat Party. Yes its funny to see her slap Hillary around but thats just a cat fight between the two for who gets the top affirmative action spot as the woman standard bearer for the party of grievance.

In the end, as they do for every "crisis", they want the left ratchet to turn and hope that fear will enable an advance of their agenda. "Universal income" didnt pop up suddenly. It has been bandied about by billionaires and democrats in the media for about two years now. This is just a nice occasion to try and impose it.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste"

It's been around longer than two years. Several places have voted on having it, but was always voted down. Tulsi is the first one that actually submitted a bill to have it though. She knows she needs a splash for people to even consider voting for her. I'm guessing she thought this might be it. She knows how much Democrat constituents love free stuff from the government.

I know the idea has been around but I noticed the real media push started about two years ago. But yes its been around as an idea since the 1800's. It was a matter of moving the Overton window to within striking distance. A constant drumbeat of billionaires and the press working together to get the idea out, even if defeated, then sooner or later a "crisis" and the chance to move the country more into the Marxist orbit.

I dont know which one decided the time was opportune and jumped first in this instance but this...

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez demands the government distribute a universal basic income and implement 'Medicare for all' to fight the coronavirus

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."
Rahm Emmanuel

That's why Tulsi is bringing it up now.

But I find the concept very interesting. I don't know if it's something that would work out here, but I think it would be worth studying the idea and getting all the numbers and how it would be structured. Even if only taking a look, it couldn't hurt.

 

[Richard-H]

A permanent guaranteed universal income will not work.

Back in the '60s and early '70s, workers were getting constant significant raises.

All that happened is that we had terrible inflation. This was due to businesses raising the prices of everything, landlords raising rents and banks increasing interest rates. As soon as the wealthy know that working people have more money, they just charge more for everything.

But that's not all - most working people don't know the difference between an appreciable asset and a non-appreciable asset. If you give more money to most people they just become mindless consumers of worthless junk. They do not save the money or invest it. The result is, once again, inflation - nobody gains.

Temporary government assistance to help people while we're having a pandemic is a great idea. It should be limited only to those people who suffer a loss of income. It will prevent an economic catastrophe.

 

[MarathonMike]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

There is a huge difference between temporarily giving billions and permanently giving trillions.

No there isn't. Your "temporary" never is. We have been providing socialist corporate subsidies for decades.

LOL. Not taxing the shit out of corporations is a "subsidy".

 

[there4eyeM]

What social group makes up the soldiers that 'defend' the system that enriches so many?

 

[Mac-7]

A permanent guaranteed universal income will not work.

Back in the '60s and early '70s, workers were getting constant significant raises.

All that happened is that we had terrible inflation. This was due to businesses raising the prices of everything, landlords raising rents and banks increasing interest rates. As soon as the wealthy know that working people have more money, they just charge more for everything.

But that's not all - most working people don't know the difference between an appreciable asset and a non-appreciable asset. If you give more money to most people they just become mindless consumers of worthless junk. They do not save the money or invest it. The result is, once again, inflation - nobody gains.

Temporary government assistance to help people while we're having a pandemic is a great idea. It should be limited only to those people who suffer a loss of income. It will prevent an economic catastrophe.

I think we need their services more than they need to be paid for not working