Tulsi: We Now Need Universal Income

[Ray From Cleveland]

The sky is really falling in your world, isn't it? COVID-19 runs it's course in a matter of weeks just like the flu. It kills many less than the flu, and most landlords and banks would take this problem into consideration. Now the proposal by Tulsi is that every single adult American get a thousand bucks a month--sick or not. So it seemed, your earlier comment supported the idea.

Trump stated everybody will be treated, whether they have insurance or not. He canceled interest rates on college loans. But he did not dig into our pockets and suggest everybody be a government dependent from this point on.

If COVID-19 spreads it will kill many more people than the Flu. Have you had your head in the sand?

Banks, landlords and the financial system "taking this problem into consideration" means that there will be a financial collapse. Do you have any understanding of economics? Can you truly be that deft?

Tulsi did not suggest that everybody be dependent on the government from this point on...she suggested the payments only until the pandemic is over.

Trump's promises aren't worth a damn. He is a lying bag of shit.

If the American people receive any assistance from the government it will only be the programs forced by the Democrats and which the spineless Republican weenies are afraid to go against in an election year.

Seriously, do you really think once government starts handing out money like that, they would be able to stop? Why do you think it would be impossible to get rid of the social programs we have today?

This is what I call my Ray from Cleveland's raccoon theory: You see a raccoon digging in your garbage can. So you go into the house and fetch that quarter ham on the bone you were going to throw out at the end of the week anyhow. The animal eats in delight. Now......give it about 20 seconds or so, and try to take your hambone back and see what happens to you.

The problem is once you get people on a social program, you can never take it away; at least not without getting your hand chewed up. We keep racking up more and more debt because of all the government programs we have, and even when Republicans are in charge, it's almost impossible to cut down on them, and totally impossible to take them entirely away.

Nonsense!

Back around 2003 Pres. Bush gave everyone an $1800 tax rebate. Did everyone demand that the government continue to give tax rebates every year after that?

Your theory is blown to shit.

If I give a ham to a raccoon, god help the critter once my coon hound is done with it!

Yes, there's a reason why they're called coon hounds - and it ain't racist

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A tax rebate is not an ongoing social program. It's not what I was talking about.

Nor is Tulsi plan an 'ongoing social program'. Learn to read.

Or is it that you're just a sadistic shithead that hates anything that benefits the working people?

It is a new social program. People start getting money in April. The Democrats string it along until October. All of a sudden, your checks quit coming. Think the public won't be outraged by that?

Such a bill would have to be passed the usual way. It would have to pass Congress, and signed by the President. Then if Democrats don't want to give it up, they can stretch it even longer; at least until after the election making claim there still is an emergency going on, even if the virus has worked it's course.

That's much different than a one-time tax rebate.

 

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EXCLUSIVE: Tulsi Gabbard details UBI plan for crisis

 

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Representative Rashida Tlaib Unveils Bold New Policy For America's Poor

 

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Joe Rogan & Tulsi Gabbard - Discussing Universal Basic Income

 

[Thinker101]

As Conservatives dismiss any ideas that may help people in need they, as usual, failed to think ANYTHING through.

Millions and millions of low income people are going to have NO income when they can't work due to the CoronaVirus.

The vast majority of these people live pay check to paycheck. They will not be able to make rent or mortgage payments.

Now, I know that Conservatives couldn't give a crap if millions of working Americans can't make their payments or if they are forced out into the streets resulting exponentially increased spread of this pandemic among the poor.

BUT -

What Conservatives don't seem to consider is what will happens to the finances of millions of landlords and to the banks when
these millions and millions of working people fail to pay all at the same time.

That will ripple thru our economy like a tidal wave. We'll have a financial collapse like we've never known.

Dumbasses!

Yep, I'm sure a free income will encourage you to get off your rear and become a productive citizen...dumbass.

You wish you had my income, asshole!

If you could read, you'd understand that I was talking about temporary assistance for working people who lose income due to not being able to work during the COVID-19 pandemic...

But, I'm being silly, if you couldn't comprehend what I was saying in my first post, why should I think that you'll comprehend this post?

Dumbass!

Yep, I'm sure you wish you had your income too...idiot.

 

[MarathonMike]

Giving everyone $1000 a month in addition to all the other Federal assistance programs is insanity.

Unless we pay for it. You forgot that part.

Who is "we"?

 

[Billiejeens]

As Conservatives dismiss any ideas that may help people in need they, as usual, failed to think ANYTHING through.

Millions and millions of low income people are going to have NO income when they can't work due to the CoronaVirus.

The vast majority of these people live pay check to paycheck. They will not be able to make rent or mortgage payments.

Now, I know that Conservatives couldn't give a crap if millions of working Americans can't make their payments or if they are forced out into the streets resulting exponentially increased spread of this pandemic among the poor.

BUT -

What Conservatives don't seem to consider is what will happens to the finances of millions of landlords and to the banks when
these millions and millions of working people fail to pay all at the same time.

That will ripple thru our economy like a tidal wave. We'll have a financial collapse like we've never known.

Dumbasses!

Your premise is completely wrong.
The Republicans main goal in government is always to raise the tide so that all boats rise.
No doubt taxpayer money will need to be infused into the economy especially in the shallower end so those folks dont run aground.
No doubt President Trump will then be blamed for raising the debt.

The debt was exploding under Trump long before this pandemic.

If you think that anyone believes that:

"The Republicans main goal in government is always to raise the tide so that all boats rise."

I have a bridge to sell you.

The only answer to that is:

Politically speaking, You are extremely ignorant.

 

[Billiejeens]

if Tulsi becomes president and goes to Washington, she would be a air of fresh breath in a fetid, corrupt hellhole only she can reform!

You're thinking of Donald Trump

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Joe Rogan & Tulsi Gabbard - Discussing Universal Basic Income

In this video, she is talking about replacing social programs with UI. That's kind of what I was discussing before. I think the calculations should be run on it to see if it would save the country money, and at the same time, everybody benefits equally instead of just the poor.

 

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Joe Rogan & Tulsi Gabbard - Discussing Universal Basic Income

In this video, she is talking about replacing social programs with UI. That's kind of what I was discussing before. I think the calculations should be run on it to see if it would save the country money, and at the same time, everybody benefits equally instead of just the poor.

I can see how this goes, let's send out the UBI first and THEN we'll get rid of the social programs. I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. How many seniors are going to be willing to give up their SS check plus Medicare or Medicaid, etc., for a $1000 monthly check? I don't think so.

What we have here is political bullshit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Joe Rogan & Tulsi Gabbard - Discussing Universal Basic Income

In this video, she is talking about replacing social programs with UI. That's kind of what I was discussing before. I think the calculations should be run on it to see if it would save the country money, and at the same time, everybody benefits equally instead of just the poor.

I can see how this goes, let's send out the UBI first and THEN we'll get rid of the social programs. I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. How many seniors are going to be willing to give up their SS check plus Medicare or Medicaid, etc., for a $1000 monthly check? I don't think so.

What we have here is political bullshit.

As I stated earlier, it can't be this massive change in social programs overnight. If this is to work, then the only sticking point is Medicare. If the UI check was $1,500 a month, that's not much different than most middle-class workers would get at retirement. Continue Medicare for people 45 years of age and older. Those younger would have to invest their money into long-term elderly care.

Or perhaps, we keep Medicare as the only surviving social program, and replace all others with UI. People currently on Medicaid would have to use some, if not a good portion of their new found money, to replace it. Nothing gained--nothing lost.

Now if we were to do that, we could quadruple the employee and employer contribution to Medicare to actually fund the program, and the employer and employee would both save a ton of money since there would be no SS or FICA deduction that the employer must match.

The only other downfall would be this massive reduction in our federal government which would be responsible for thousands of federal government workers to be laid off, not to mention the satellite offices around the country that could be closed down saving us billions of dollars a year to help fund UI.

 

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Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

The interest on our debt is already approaching 10% of our Federal revenue. Giving everyone $1000 a month in addition to all the other Federal assistance programs is insanity. Are we just assuming that since we are the world's reserve currency we are too big too fail and we can just keep printing money? What is the thought process here?

That's what I asked in the OP. I can't follow her logic on this, not that it stands a chance in hell of happening.

Giving me a thousand bucks a month is not going to get me to go to the ballpark, or go to a movie theater, or go to a casino. It's not going to support somebody staying home instead of going to work. So what is this money supposed to do exactly when it comes to the coronavirus?

After achieving UI we cant take it back

the welfare bums would think we were taking something away that belongs to them

but over time the democrats would not keep their word

the moron class would still find a way to be more needy than responsible citizens

Children would still live in poverty and the welfare programs would return on top of UI

 

[sparky]

maybe the federal reserve could>>>>

~S~

 

[Redfish]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

like most good ideas, the devil is in the details.

 

[pknopp]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

 

[Redfish]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

your analogy is totally off base. The Trump tax cuts applied to businesses large and small, and every individual that pays taxes.

UI would do nothing but create another government "entitlement" program that would require a new huge government agency to administer and would be rampant with fraud and abuse.

explain exactly how trump is "giving billions to industry". Then contrast that with Obama's auto bail out programs and his funding of massive failures like Solyndra.

 

[pknopp]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

your analogy is totally off base. The Trump tax cuts applied to businesses large and small, and every individual that pays taxes.

UI would do nothing but create another government "entitlement" program that would require a new huge government agency to administer and would be rampant with fraud and abuse.

explain exactly how trump is "giving billions to industry". Then contrast that with Obama's auto bail out programs and his funding of massive failures like Solyndra.

White House likely to pursue federal aid for shale companies hit by oil shock, coronavirus downturn

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/10/trump-oil-bailout/

Federal aid, not tax cuts.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

Her goal here is more government dependents. If a person is working just fine, same hours, bringing home the same pay, how would $1,000 a month help him or her in regards to the coronavirus? If a person cannot work, how can $1,000 a month replace a standard middle-class income?

After a few months of getting free money, people would then want it all the time, even if we totally wiped out the virus. It wouldn't be able to stop. Either that, or people would demand their representatives figure out a way to actually keep it permanent, thus an introduction to universal income as a standard of living in the US, even illegals.

Tulis is living by the Democrat motto: never let a good crisis go to waste. We all know how badly Democrats want to create more government dependents, and they are finding ways to do that using this virus as an excuse.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

The interest on our debt is already approaching 10% of our Federal revenue. Giving everyone $1000 a month in addition to all the other Federal assistance programs is insanity. Are we just assuming that since we are the world's reserve currency we are too big too fail and we can just keep printing money? What is the thought process here?

That's what I asked in the OP. I can't follow her logic on this, not that it stands a chance in hell of happening.

Giving me a thousand bucks a month is not going to get me to go to the ballpark, or go to a movie theater, or go to a casino. It's not going to support somebody staying home instead of going to work. So what is this money supposed to do exactly when it comes to the coronavirus?

After achieving UI we cant take it back

the welfare bums would think we were taking something away that belongs to them

but over time the democrats would not keep their word

the moron class would still find a way to be more needy than responsible citizens

Children would still live in poverty and the welfare programs would return on top of UI

That is the only danger, because it's the nature of a liberal. Down the road, the MSM would be showing pictures of hungry children, and homeless out in the street, then demand we do the humane thing to provide for them, even though we'd be providing for them already.

 

[pknopp]

I didn't read through this entire thread but what I did, I will reply in general to the hypocrites. Trump suggests giving billions to industry to bail them out and not a word is said. Gabbard wants to help the people (which in turn would help industry) and those same people have conniptions.

It's really sad.

Her goal here is more government dependents. If a person is working just fine, same hours, bringing home the same pay, how would $1,000 a month help him or her in regards to the coronavirus? If a person cannot work, how can $1,000 a month replace a standard middle-class income?

After a few months of getting free money, people would then want it all the time, even if we totally wiped out the virus. It wouldn't be able to stop. Either that, or people would demand their representatives figure out a way to actually keep it permanent, thus an introduction to universal income as a standard of living in the US, even illegals.

Tulis is living by the Democrat motto: never let a good crisis go to waste. We all know how badly Democrats want to create more government dependents, and they are finding ways to do that using this virus as an excuse.

But industry can go running to the government for more money and that is fine. Banks and Wall Street can demand billions daily and that is good.