Trumps SOTU lies & embellishments

[YoursTruly]

No you don’t. You don’t want a Government that actually follows the rules. You don’t want a Focernment that acts morally. It would utterly destroy the political system as well as the bloated Government those politicians have created over the past 150 years.

As if that would be a bad thing.

 

[martybegan]

I’m saying that’s what they wanted Pence to do.

This link has extensive documentation about what Trump said.

What Trump Asked of Pence - FactCheck.org

In an interview hours after former President Donald Trump was indicted for an alleged conspiracy to overturn the 2020 presidential election, one of his attorneys said that all Trump had ultimately asked his vice president to do was "simply pause” the Electoral College count at the U.S. Capitol...

www.factcheck.org

That he said things is meaningless if things didn't happen.

You can point to the words as fact, but the intent and the reasoning is your opinion.

I bet you weren't this nibbling when Gore fought Bush tooth and nail in 2000.

 

[Marener]

That he said things is meaningless if things didn't happen.

You can point to the words as fact, but the intent and the reasoning is your opinion.

I bet you weren't this nibbling when Gore fought Bush tooth and nail in 2000.

If someone asks a guy to kill his wife, is it an opinion as to his intent?

Your brain is broken by Trump.

You had to go from “he didn’t ask pence to do anything wrong” to “it’s okay to ask people to do wrong things if they don’t actually follow through”.

This coming from a guy who believes everyone in the administration must obey every order from the president.

 

[martybegan]

If someone asks a guy to kill his wife, is it an opinion as to his intent?

Your brain is broken by Trump.

You had to go from “he didn’t ask pence to do anything wrong” to “it’s okay to ask people to do wrong things if they don’t actually follow through”.

This coming from a guy who believes everyone in the administration must obey every order from the president.

If he's serious about it, and has an actual mechanism to go through with it. it's attempted murder.

Trump thought the election was stolen, was he supposed to just sit back and let it happen? Cheating in election is a crime, he was supposed to just ignore it?

That's my opinion on his reasoning.

Every legal order. The President is the only elected member of the executive and thus all power flows through him.

 

[Anathema]

As if that would be a bad thing.

I agree with you, but a vast supermajority of the American population would lose their minds if we suddenly returned to a Constitutional Government and 80% of the Federal Government (laws, programs, spending, departments, etc…) disappeared overnight

 

[Marener]

If he's serious about it, and has an actual mechanism to go through with it. it's attempted murder.

Trump thought the election was stolen, was he supposed to just sit back and let it happen? Cheating in election is a crime, he was supposed to just ignore it?

That's my opinion on his reasoning.

Every legal order. The President is the only elected member of the executive and thus all power flows through him.

And Trump was very serious about what he wanted Pence to do and had a “mechanism” to do it which makes it attempted fraud.

It was Trump’s opinion that he won the election, which he wanted Pence to turn into a fact.

Basically that means elections are meaningless. The only thing that matters is the opinion of Trump.

 

[YoursTruly]

I agree with you, but a vast supermajority of the American population would lose their minds if we suddenly returned to a Constitutional Government and 80% of the Federal Government (laws, programs, spending, departments, etc…) disappeared overnight

I won't argue with you about that. None the less, lying should be an impeachable offense.

"That's the thing about honesty. Sometimes it sticks. Sometimes it sets you free."

 

[the watcher]

If it's built on lies, it should be replaced. It wouldn't actually "cease to exist."

Some of us want the truth. In fact, probably 99% of the voters want truth.

People want the truth that they want to hear. That's why we have 2 parties that offer 2 different flavors of truth but the sugar content is the same. Would you like a more formal Ministry of Truth if the mainstream media isn't getting it done? Would that make you happy? Maybe get Little Bill as Director of Truth.

 

[martybegan]

And Trump was very serious about what he wanted Pence to do and had a “mechanism” to do it which makes it attempted fraud.

It was Trump’s opinion that he won the election, which he wanted Pence to turn into a fact.

Basically that means elections are meaningless. The only thing that matters is the opinion of Trump.

because he believed the election was fraudulent.

No, it means he thought the election was fraudulent.

 

[popscottpopscott]

"a picture is worth a thousand words"
“If you agree with this statement, then stand up and show your support. The first duty of the American government is to protect American citizens, not illegal immigrants.”

https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/i...uto/content-assets/images/20250308_USP504.jpg

 

[Marener]

because he believed the election was fraudulent.

No, it means he thought the election was fraudulent.

The result of the election is irrelevant if the authoritarian government thinks it’s fraudulent.

Because they can just not count the votes they think are fraudulent.

That’s what you want, right?

 

[Hafar1014]

From Grok:

Major fact-checking organizations reviewed the speech in real time or immediately afterward.


Economy and Jobs

• Claim: "I had just inherited a nation in crisis with a stagnant economy, inflation at record levels." (Repeated in various forms.)
  • Why inaccurate: False/exaggerated. GDP grew 2.8% in 2024 (Biden's last year), stronger than the 2.2% in 2025 under Trump. Inflation was 3% in January 2025 (when Trump took office), down from a 9.1% peak in 2022—not a U.S. record (that was 23.7% in 1920). Unemployment fell to 4% under Biden from 6.4% post-COVID.
  • Context/Correction: Growth slowed in 2025 partly due to a 43-day government shutdown, but the inherited economy was expanding, not stagnant.
• Claim: "The economy is roaring like never before... Prices are plummeting downward."
  • Why inaccurate: Misleading. GDP growth was 2.2% in 2025 (down from Biden years), unemployment rose to 4.3% from 4%, and inflation fell to 2.4% but prices are still rising overall (e.g., food up 2.2% year-over-year).
  • Context/Correction: Some items like eggs fell (down 30% due to avian flu recovery), but beef rose 15%. After-tax incomes rose only 0.9% in 2025 (vs. 2.2% in 2024).
• Claim: "In 12 months, I secured commitments for more than $18 trillion pouring in from all over the globe."
  • Why inaccurate: Exaggerated/false. White House's own tally is $9.7 trillion in vague pledges (many pre-Trump or non-binding); a CNN review found trillions in "bilateral trade" not U.S. investments. Biden-era laws spurred ~$800 billion in manufacturing.
  • Context/Correction: Includes unsubstantiated promises; actual materialized investments are far lower.
• Claim: "More Americans are working today than at any time in the history of our country."
  • Why inaccurate: True but misleading without context. Raw numbers rise with population growth, but employment-to-population ratio fell to 59.8% (from 60.1%), and labor participation is flat at ~62.5%. Job growth slowed to 359,000 in 2025 (0.2% gain) vs. 1.2 million (0.8%) in Biden's last year.
  • Context/Correction: Better metrics like unemployment (up to 4.3%) show no historic boom.
• Claim: Gas prices are "now below $2.36 a gallon in most states" and "I even saw $1.85 a gallon" in Iowa.
  • Why inaccurate: False. No state averaged below $2.37 (national average $2.94–2.95); Iowa averaged $2.55–2.57. Only ~40 stations nationwide were under $2.
  • Context/Correction: Prices fell 17 cents since inauguration (from $3.12), but not to claimed lows.
• Claim: The "big, beautiful bill" was "the largest tax cuts in American history" with "no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security."
  • Why inaccurate: Exaggerated. It's the 6th–7th largest as a GDP share (1.3%; Reagan's 1981 cut was 2.9%). Deductions are temporary (expire 2028–2029), capped ($25K tips, $12.5K overtime, $6K Social Security), phase out for higher incomes, and exclude some seniors (e.g., under 65 or low-income).
  • Context/Correction: Benefits 88% of seniors 65+ (up from 64%), but not "no tax" for all.
• Claim: "Tariffs are paid for by foreign countries" and could "substantially replace" income taxes.
  • Why inaccurate: False. U.S. importers/consumers pay ~90–95% of costs (per Fed/NY and CBO). Tariff revenue ($195–300B in 2025) is <4% of federal revenue; income/payroll taxes are 84%. Replacing them would require implausibly high rates, causing inflation/jobs losses.
  • Context/Correction: Revenue up from $77B pre-Trump, but insufficient for deficits ($1.8T in 2025).

Immigration and Crime

• Claim: "In the past nine months, zero illegal aliens have been admitted... We now have the strongest and most secure border in American history."
  • Why inaccurate: Exaggerated. Crossings hit lows (6,000+ in Jan 2026), but not zero; declines started under Biden. Trump restricted legal paths too (e.g., refugee cuts).
  • Context/Correction: Enforcement actions deported criminals at record rates, but claims ignore ongoing entries.
• Claim: Immigrants came from "prisons and mental institutions... They were murderers, 11,888 murderers."
  • Why inaccurate: False/unsupported. Figure (actually 13,099 on ICE non-detained docket) includes noncitizens from decades (including Trump's first term), many legal residents/prison inmates, not all murderers or recent entries.
  • Context/Correction: 47% of detained migrants had only immigration violations; 7% violent convictions.
• Claim: "Last year, the murder rate saw its single largest decline in recorded history."
  • Why inaccurate: Misleading. Decline (21% in cities) continued 2022–2024 trend from pandemic spike; not solely Trump's doing. Homicide rate ~4/100K (lowest since 1900), but from high base.
  • Context/Correction: Violent crime halved since 1990s; no direct policy link proven.

Foreign Policy and Other

• Claim: "My first 10 months, I ended eight wars."
  • Why inaccurate: Inflated. List includes non-wars (e.g., Egypt-Ethiopia dam dispute, Serbia-Kosovo tensions); some ongoing (e.g., Rwanda-Congo, Thailand-Cambodia with recent fighting); U.S. role varied/partial.
  • Context/Correction: Credited for some ceasefires (e.g., Gaza at "low level"), but not eight full ends.
• Claim: "Americans... will now pay the lowest price anywhere in the world for drugs."
  • Why inaccurate: Misleading. Negotiations lowered some prices (e.g., 16 companies' discounts), but U.S. remains highest among developed nations; many drugs generic/cheaper abroad; median brand prices rose 4%.
  • Context/Correction: Changes limited; insurance often better than deals.
• Claim: "The cheating is rampant in our elections... Illegal aliens voting."
  • Why inaccurate: False/unsupported. Fraud rare (e.g., 0.02% noncitizen registrations; 15 cases in Michigan's 5.7M ballots, 20 in Georgia's 8.2M). Elections secure per CISA; noncitizen voting infinitesimal.
  • Context/Correction: 14 states no ID, but fraud not "rampant."
• Claim: "We will always protect... Medicaid" (and similar for Medicare/Social Security).
  • Why inaccurate: Misleading. Signature bill cuts Medicaid $900B over decade via eligibility/work requirements; 7.5M fewer insured by 2034. Tax changes harm Medicare financing.
  • Context/Correction: Affects ACA marketplaces too.

Other notable ones include overstatements on fentanyl flow (seizures down 49%, but total flow unknown), oil/gas production (up but pre-Trump trends), and Iran's nuclear program (damaged, not "obliterated").

Anyone who defends Bidens economy is either a liar or an idiot. Expect long posts of pure BS like this. We have eyes and any fool cans ee everything is better now

 

[martybegan]

The result of the election is irrelevant if the authoritarian government thinks it’s fraudulent.

Because they can just not count the votes they think are fraudulent.

That’s what you want, right?

If the election was fraudulent the result is a travesty of justice and a Stain on our Republic.

I want secured elections.

One day to vote, 24 hours, national holiday, in person voting only unless said person cannot make it to the polling place.

Voter ID.

 

[Marener]

If the election was fraudulent the result is a travesty of justice and a Stain on our Republic.

I want secured elections.

One day to vote, 24 hours, national holiday, in person voting only unless said person cannot make it to the polling place.

Voter ID.

Doesn’t really matter if it was fraudulent or not.

For you, all that really matters is what the government authoritarians think.

 

[martybegan]

Doesn’t really matter if it was fraudulent or not.

For you, all that really matters is what the government authoritarians think.

It does, despite your desire to allow fraud that helps your side.

As time goes on more and more things come out that allude to the 2020 election stinking to high hell.

The sad thing for you idiots is that in the end, you got a Trump administration in 2024 that is far more aggressive and determined than one you would have gotten in 2020.

So if there was fraud, it was all in vain.

 

[Marener]

It does, despite your desire to allow fraud that helps your side.

As time goes on more and more things come out that allude to the 2020 election stinking to high hell.

The sad thing for you idiots is that in the end, you got a Trump administration in 2024 that is far more aggressive and determined than one you would have gotten in 2020.

So if there was fraud, it was all in vain.

How can you say it matters when you have no problem with Trump trying to declare votes fraudulent because he believed they were fraudulent?

 

[martybegan]

How can you say it matters when you have no problem with Trump trying to declare votes fraudulent because he believed they were fraudulent?

How can you not care if fraud occured?

Every single fraudulent vote cancels out a legitimate vote.

 

[Marener]

How can you not care if fraud occured?

Every single fraudulent vote cancels out a legitimate vote.

You didn’t answer the question, coward.

You’re okay with government discounting votes because Trump believed they were fraudulent.

 

[popscottpopscott]

You’re okay with government discounting votes because Trump believed they were fraudulent.

You first, prove government discounted votes because Trump believed they were fraudulent.

 

[Marener]

You first, prove government discounted votes because Trump believed they were fraudulent.

It’s easily proven that’s what Trump was scheming to do.