Trumps SOTU lies & embellishments

You hide behind “opinion” because you want to believe stupid shit that you can’t coherently defend.

You want to believe Trump won the election so the result of an election is just “opinion”. You want to believe the Biden economy was terrible and Trump is amazing, so economic data is just “opinion”.

Again, your obsession with genitals just makes you seem strange and weird. Most people care about things that actually affect them.

I don't hide behind opinion, I just don't pretend my opinions are facts.

I'm comfortable enough to say my opinions are correct. I don't have to pretend they are facts.

It's all the same fight. And your side are all the same ******* retards.
 
I don't hide behind opinion, I just don't pretend my opinions are facts.

I'm comfortable enough to say my opinions are correct. I don't have to pretend they are facts.

It's all the same fight. And your side are all the same ******* retards.
You take facts you don’t want to accept and relabel them opinions. That’s how you hide from reality.

Trump lost the election in 2020. That’s a fact. Since you didn’t like that, the results of elections are now opinions.

There are many examples of this. Trump is always the victim of some conspiracy against him.

It makes you guys weird.
 
You take facts you don’t want to accept and relabel them opinions. That’s how you hide from reality.

Trump lost the election in 2020. That’s a fact. Since you didn’t like that, the results of elections are now opinions.

There are many examples of this. Trump is always the victim of some conspiracy against him.

It makes you guys weird.

Trump lost it once the EC voted, but I still have my doubts about things leading up to that, and more and more questions keep popping up.

See? That's a fact followed by an opinion.
 
Trump lost it once the EC voted, but I still have my doubts about things leading up to that, and more and more questions keep popping up.

See? That's a fact followed by an opinion.
You assholes thought the identities of the electors was a matter of opinion.

That’s why you wanted Pence to ignore a bunch of them.

This is how you weaponize “opinions” to bend reality to your will. When you’ve created a situation where fact doesn’t exist, then everything is opinions. Since opinions are all equivalent, you get to believe whatever you want and therefore justify doing whatever you want.
 
From Grok:

Major fact-checking organizations reviewed the speech in real time or immediately afterward.


Economy and Jobs
  • Claim: "I had just inherited a nation in crisis with a stagnant economy, inflation at record levels." (Repeated in various forms.)
    • Why inaccurate: False/exaggerated. GDP grew 2.8% in 2024 (Biden's last year), stronger than the 2.2% in 2025 under Trump. Inflation was 3% in January 2025 (when Trump took office), down from a 9.1% peak in 2022—not a U.S. record (that was 23.7% in 1920). Unemployment fell to 4% under Biden from 6.4% post-COVID.
    • Context/Correction: Growth slowed in 2025 partly due to a 43-day government shutdown, but the inherited economy was expanding, not stagnant.
  • Claim: "The economy is roaring like never before... Prices are plummeting downward."
    • Why inaccurate: Misleading. GDP growth was 2.2% in 2025 (down from Biden years), unemployment rose to 4.3% from 4%, and inflation fell to 2.4% but prices are still rising overall (e.g., food up 2.2% year-over-year).
    • Context/Correction: Some items like eggs fell (down 30% due to avian flu recovery), but beef rose 15%. After-tax incomes rose only 0.9% in 2025 (vs. 2.2% in 2024).
  • Claim: "In 12 months, I secured commitments for more than $18 trillion pouring in from all over the globe."
    • Why inaccurate: Exaggerated/false. White House's own tally is $9.7 trillion in vague pledges (many pre-Trump or non-binding); a CNN review found trillions in "bilateral trade" not U.S. investments. Biden-era laws spurred ~$800 billion in manufacturing.
    • Context/Correction: Includes unsubstantiated promises; actual materialized investments are far lower.
  • Claim: "More Americans are working today than at any time in the history of our country."
    • Why inaccurate: True but misleading without context. Raw numbers rise with population growth, but employment-to-population ratio fell to 59.8% (from 60.1%), and labor participation is flat at ~62.5%. Job growth slowed to 359,000 in 2025 (0.2% gain) vs. 1.2 million (0.8%) in Biden's last year.
    • Context/Correction: Better metrics like unemployment (up to 4.3%) show no historic boom.
  • Claim: Gas prices are "now below $2.36 a gallon in most states" and "I even saw $1.85 a gallon" in Iowa.
    • Why inaccurate: False. No state averaged below $2.37 (national average $2.94–2.95); Iowa averaged $2.55–2.57. Only ~40 stations nationwide were under $2.
    • Context/Correction: Prices fell 17 cents since inauguration (from $3.12), but not to claimed lows.
  • Claim: The "big, beautiful bill" was "the largest tax cuts in American history" with "no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security."
    • Why inaccurate: Exaggerated. It's the 6th–7th largest as a GDP share (1.3%; Reagan's 1981 cut was 2.9%). Deductions are temporary (expire 2028–2029), capped ($25K tips, $12.5K overtime, $6K Social Security), phase out for higher incomes, and exclude some seniors (e.g., under 65 or low-income).
    • Context/Correction: Benefits 88% of seniors 65+ (up from 64%), but not "no tax" for all.
  • Claim: "Tariffs are paid for by foreign countries" and could "substantially replace" income taxes.
    • Why inaccurate: False. U.S. importers/consumers pay ~90–95% of costs (per Fed/NY and CBO). Tariff revenue ($195–300B in 2025) is <4% of federal revenue; income/payroll taxes are 84%. Replacing them would require implausibly high rates, causing inflation/jobs losses.
    • Context/Correction: Revenue up from $77B pre-Trump, but insufficient for deficits ($1.8T in 2025).
Immigration and Crime
  • Claim: "In the past nine months, zero illegal aliens have been admitted... We now have the strongest and most secure border in American history."
    • Why inaccurate: Exaggerated. Crossings hit lows (6,000+ in Jan 2026), but not zero; declines started under Biden. Trump restricted legal paths too (e.g., refugee cuts).
    • Context/Correction: Enforcement actions deported criminals at record rates, but claims ignore ongoing entries.
  • Claim: Immigrants came from "prisons and mental institutions... They were murderers, 11,888 murderers."
    • Why inaccurate: False/unsupported. Figure (actually 13,099 on ICE non-detained docket) includes noncitizens from decades (including Trump's first term), many legal residents/prison inmates, not all murderers or recent entries.
    • Context/Correction: 47% of detained migrants had only immigration violations; 7% violent convictions.
  • Claim: "Last year, the murder rate saw its single largest decline in recorded history."
    • Why inaccurate: Misleading. Decline (21% in cities) continued 2022–2024 trend from pandemic spike; not solely Trump's doing. Homicide rate ~4/100K (lowest since 1900), but from high base.
    • Context/Correction: Violent crime halved since 1990s; no direct policy link proven.
Foreign Policy and Other
  • Claim: "My first 10 months, I ended eight wars."
    • Why inaccurate: Inflated. List includes non-wars (e.g., Egypt-Ethiopia dam dispute, Serbia-Kosovo tensions); some ongoing (e.g., Rwanda-Congo, Thailand-Cambodia with recent fighting); U.S. role varied/partial.
    • Context/Correction: Credited for some ceasefires (e.g., Gaza at "low level"), but not eight full ends.
  • Claim: "Americans... will now pay the lowest price anywhere in the world for drugs."
    • Why inaccurate: Misleading. Negotiations lowered some prices (e.g., 16 companies' discounts), but U.S. remains highest among developed nations; many drugs generic/cheaper abroad; median brand prices rose 4%.
    • Context/Correction: Changes limited; insurance often better than deals.
  • Claim: "The cheating is rampant in our elections... Illegal aliens voting."
    • Why inaccurate: False/unsupported. Fraud rare (e.g., 0.02% noncitizen registrations; 15 cases in Michigan's 5.7M ballots, 20 in Georgia's 8.2M). Elections secure per CISA; noncitizen voting infinitesimal.
    • Context/Correction: 14 states no ID, but fraud not "rampant."
  • Claim: "We will always protect... Medicaid" (and similar for Medicare/Social Security).
    • Why inaccurate: Misleading. Signature bill cuts Medicaid $900B over decade via eligibility/work requirements; 7.5M fewer insured by 2034. Tax changes harm Medicare financing.
    • Context/Correction: Affects ACA marketplaces too.
Other notable ones include overstatements on fentanyl flow (seizures down 49%, but total flow unknown), oil/gas production (up but pre-Trump trends), and Iran's nuclear program (damaged, not "obliterated").
Prog propagandists with tariffs....tens of millions of Americans will be dead.
 
You assholes thought the identities of the electors was a matter of opinion.

That’s why you wanted Pence to ignore a bunch of them.

This is how you weaponize “opinions” to bend reality to your will. When you’ve created a situation where fact doesn’t exist, then everything is opinions. Since opinions are all equivalent, you get to believe whatever you want and therefore justify doing whatever you want.

What I think is the 2020 election in some States reeked to high heaven/low hell.

In the end the process happened the way it was supposed to, regardless of my suspicions.

All opinions are not equivalent, mine are far more rational and based on reality than yours.
 
What I think is the 2020 election in some States reeked to high heaven/low hell.

In the end the process happened the way it was supposed to, regardless of my suspicions.

All opinions are not equivalent, mine are far more rational and based on reality than yours.
Trump tried to prevent the process from happening the way it was supposed to. That’s a fact.

This was supposed to be evaluated before a judge and jury but couldn’t get that far because in the end you don’t really give a shit about how things are supposed to happen.
 
Our political system would cease to exist overnight. Lies arectgeclanguagecofcpolitixsxandcalesysxeill be… because nobody actually WANTS the truth.

If it's built on lies, it should be replaced. It wouldn't actually "cease to exist."

Some of us want the truth. In fact, probably 99% of the voters want truth.
 
Trump tried to prevent the process from happening the way it was supposed to. That’s a fact.

This was supposed to be evaluated before a judge and jury but couldn’t get that far because in the end you don’t really give a shit about how things are supposed to happen.

Trump was concerned about the process, and the only facts are any actions he took that are provable. The reasoning behind it is opinion.
 
From Grok:

Major fact-checking organizations reviewed the speech in real time or immediately afterward.


Economy and Jobs
  • Claim: "I had just inherited a nation in crisis with a stagnant economy, inflation at record levels." (Repeated in various forms.)
    • Why inaccurate: False/exaggerated. GDP grew 2.8% in 2024 (Biden's last year), stronger than the 2.2% in 2025 under Trump. Inflation was 3% in January 2025 (when Trump took office), down from a 9.1% peak in 2022—not a U.S. record (that was 23.7% in 1920). Unemployment fell to 4% under Biden from 6.4% post-COVID.
    • Context/Correction: Growth slowed in 2025 partly due to a 43-day government shutdown, but the inherited economy was expanding, not stagnant.
  • Claim: "The economy is roaring like never before... Prices are plummeting downward."
    • Why inaccurate: Misleading. GDP growth was 2.2% in 2025 (down from Biden years), unemployment rose to 4.3% from 4%, and inflation fell to 2.4% but prices are still rising overall (e.g., food up 2.2% year-over-year).
    • Context/Correction: Some items like eggs fell (down 30% due to avian flu recovery), but beef rose 15%. After-tax incomes rose only 0.9% in 2025 (vs. 2.2% in 2024).
  • Claim: "In 12 months, I secured commitments for more than $18 trillion pouring in from all over the globe."
    • Why inaccurate: Exaggerated/false. White House's own tally is $9.7 trillion in vague pledges (many pre-Trump or non-binding); a CNN review found trillions in "bilateral trade" not U.S. investments. Biden-era laws spurred ~$800 billion in manufacturing.
    • Context/Correction: Includes unsubstantiated promises; actual materialized investments are far lower.
  • Claim: "More Americans are working today than at any time in the history of our country."
    • Why inaccurate: True but misleading without context. Raw numbers rise with population growth, but employment-to-population ratio fell to 59.8% (from 60.1%), and labor participation is flat at ~62.5%. Job growth slowed to 359,000 in 2025 (0.2% gain) vs. 1.2 million (0.8%) in Biden's last year.
    • Context/Correction: Better metrics like unemployment (up to 4.3%) show no historic boom.
  • Claim: Gas prices are "now below $2.36 a gallon in most states" and "I even saw $1.85 a gallon" in Iowa.
    • Why inaccurate: False. No state averaged below $2.37 (national average $2.94–2.95); Iowa averaged $2.55–2.57. Only ~40 stations nationwide were under $2.
    • Context/Correction: Prices fell 17 cents since inauguration (from $3.12), but not to claimed lows.
  • Claim: The "big, beautiful bill" was "the largest tax cuts in American history" with "no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security."
    • Why inaccurate: Exaggerated. It's the 6th–7th largest as a GDP share (1.3%; Reagan's 1981 cut was 2.9%). Deductions are temporary (expire 2028–2029), capped ($25K tips, $12.5K overtime, $6K Social Security), phase out for higher incomes, and exclude some seniors (e.g., under 65 or low-income).
    • Context/Correction: Benefits 88% of seniors 65+ (up from 64%), but not "no tax" for all.
  • Claim: "Tariffs are paid for by foreign countries" and could "substantially replace" income taxes.
    • Why inaccurate: False. U.S. importers/consumers pay ~90–95% of costs (per Fed/NY and CBO). Tariff revenue ($195–300B in 2025) is <4% of federal revenue; income/payroll taxes are 84%. Replacing them would require implausibly high rates, causing inflation/jobs losses.
    • Context/Correction: Revenue up from $77B pre-Trump, but insufficient for deficits ($1.8T in 2025).
Immigration and Crime
  • Claim: "In the past nine months, zero illegal aliens have been admitted... We now have the strongest and most secure border in American history."
    • Why inaccurate: Exaggerated. Crossings hit lows (6,000+ in Jan 2026), but not zero; declines started under Biden. Trump restricted legal paths too (e.g., refugee cuts).
    • Context/Correction: Enforcement actions deported criminals at record rates, but claims ignore ongoing entries.
  • Claim: Immigrants came from "prisons and mental institutions... They were murderers, 11,888 murderers."
    • Why inaccurate: False/unsupported. Figure (actually 13,099 on ICE non-detained docket) includes noncitizens from decades (including Trump's first term), many legal residents/prison inmates, not all murderers or recent entries.
    • Context/Correction: 47% of detained migrants had only immigration violations; 7% violent convictions.
  • Claim: "Last year, the murder rate saw its single largest decline in recorded history."
    • Why inaccurate: Misleading. Decline (21% in cities) continued 2022–2024 trend from pandemic spike; not solely Trump's doing. Homicide rate ~4/100K (lowest since 1900), but from high base.
    • Context/Correction: Violent crime halved since 1990s; no direct policy link proven.
Foreign Policy and Other
  • Claim: "My first 10 months, I ended eight wars."
    • Why inaccurate: Inflated. List includes non-wars (e.g., Egypt-Ethiopia dam dispute, Serbia-Kosovo tensions); some ongoing (e.g., Rwanda-Congo, Thailand-Cambodia with recent fighting); U.S. role varied/partial.
    • Context/Correction: Credited for some ceasefires (e.g., Gaza at "low level"), but not eight full ends.
  • Claim: "Americans... will now pay the lowest price anywhere in the world for drugs."
    • Why inaccurate: Misleading. Negotiations lowered some prices (e.g., 16 companies' discounts), but U.S. remains highest among developed nations; many drugs generic/cheaper abroad; median brand prices rose 4%.
    • Context/Correction: Changes limited; insurance often better than deals.
  • Claim: "The cheating is rampant in our elections... Illegal aliens voting."
    • Why inaccurate: False/unsupported. Fraud rare (e.g., 0.02% noncitizen registrations; 15 cases in Michigan's 5.7M ballots, 20 in Georgia's 8.2M). Elections secure per CISA; noncitizen voting infinitesimal.
    • Context/Correction: 14 states no ID, but fraud not "rampant."
  • Claim: "We will always protect... Medicaid" (and similar for Medicare/Social Security).
    • Why inaccurate: Misleading. Signature bill cuts Medicaid $900B over decade via eligibility/work requirements; 7.5M fewer insured by 2034. Tax changes harm Medicare financing.
    • Context/Correction: Affects ACA marketplaces too.
Other notable ones include overstatements on fentanyl flow (seizures down 49%, but total flow unknown), oil/gas production (up but pre-Trump trends), and Iran's nuclear program (damaged, not "obliterated").
You've gone full blown loon. Sad.
 
Trump was concerned about the process, and the only facts are any actions he took that are provable. The reasoning behind it is opinion.
It’s a fact about what he WANTED to happen, which was very much different than what did happen.

In a world where the results of elections are just opinion, it allows the authorities to declare any winner they want.

Is that what you want?
 
If it's built on lies, it should be replaced. It wouldn't actually "cease to exist."

Some of us want the truth. In fact, probably 99% of the voters want truth.
No you don’t. You don’t want a Government that actually follows the rules. You don’t want a Focernment that acts morally. It would utterly destroy the political system as well as the bloated Government those politicians have created over the past 150 years.
 
It’s a fact about what he WANTED to happen, which was very much different than what did happen.

In a world where the results of elections are just opinion, it allows the authorities to declare any winner they want.

Is that what you want?

Nope, that's an opinion. The facts would be any documented actions HE took.

So now questioning elections is somehow wrong?
 
Nope, that's an opinion. The facts would be any documented actions HE took.

So now questioning elections is somehow wrong?
They said it aloud. They wrote it down.

Those are documented actions.
 
15th post
You do realize you are presenting a self labelled scenario as a "fact"

That ruins your argument from the start.

What did he say exactly? You are the one making the argument, bring it.
I’m saying that’s what they wanted Pence to do.

This link has extensive documentation about what Trump said.

 
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