Trumpism: This is what PUSHBACK looks like

[JoeB131]

The illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left -- the people in control of a pretty large swath of the party -- refuse to acknowledge their part in Trump's win.

Largely because it's nonsense.

Hillary lost because she ran a bad campaign, alienated a lot of people who had supported Obama by burning Bernie, and generally could never escape the stink of 25 years of corruption allegations.

And despite all that, she still won by 3 million votes. If she had invested money in the rust belt, she probably would have won those, too.

 

[LeftofLeft]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a ******* thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

Once again, Vichy Mac starts with his premise and moves on with it.

The thing is, Trump's racism is NOTHING NEW. This shit started with Tricky Dick and his Southern Strategy, continued with Reagan and his Welfare Queens and Young Bucks, Jesse Helms and his "White Hands" ad, and Bush Sr. telling us Willie Horton was going to kill us all!

The GOP has been very good at using racism, sexism and homophobia to get stupid white people to vote against their own economic interests.

While the rich Wall Street types have been slowly dismantling the Middle Class Lifestyle they've accumulated since FDR.

Now that some people are getting fed up with it... these Wall Street types are SHITTING THEMSELVES.

Bernie isn't winning because of "PC" or "Identity Politics". Bernie just won in Whiter than White Iowa and is probably going to win in Whiter than White New Hampshire.

So this is what you are upset about, that someone pointed out the racism of people's opposition to the ACA? Of course it was racist. It was the plan that Republicans were ALL FOR until THE BLACK GUY DID IT.

Blaming racism is like a crack addiction with you people.... even when it does not exist. Further, why and how does Wall Street give two ***** about screwing the Middle Class in order to get richer? The Middle Class takes less of it’s hard earned paycheck under Liberal tax plans. Many of the economic models favored by the Left have little or NO Middle Class. Finally, how is opposing ACA racist? Because Obama signed off on it? Bullshit.... it has many economic flaws and has been in the works well before Obama grew up both privileged Black and White.

 

[WillowTree]

The dumb assed race card is over used. Your side has cried racism at every occasion. Is that all ewe have? The race card? I pity ewe.

Denying racism doesn't make it go away... or make you less racist.

It's not just identity BS. It is globalism, elitism, centralism etc.

And of course Americans being in control of the nation. It's no accident that Trump's signature chant is "Build the wall!".

Which only shows how stupid his followers are, since most immigrants - even the undocumented ones - come in through legal means.

I see! It’s all ewe have! I mock ewe.

 

[JoeB131]

Blaming racism is like a crack addiction with you people.... even when it does not exist. Further, why and how does Wall Street give two ***** about screwing the Middle Class in order to get richer?

You're kidding, right? No, you probably aren't. You think that Wall Street has been pushing Union Busting, Free Trade, Right To Work, At Will employment, etc. What do you think the goal is there?

The Middle Class takes less of it’s hard earned paycheck under Liberal tax plans. Many of the economic models favored by the Left have little or NO Middle Class.

Which models are those?

I guess if you have no rich and no poor, there would be no middle.

Finally, how is opposing ACA racist? Because Obama signed off on it?

Now, this is why opposition to the ACA was nothing BUT racism.

When Hillary proposed a public option to cover the uninsured, the Heritage Foundation proposed what is essentially the ACA and Republicans were all for it. Just provide private insurance to everyone, if they can afford it or not.

Then Mitt Romney did it for real in Massachusetts... and called it a model for the country, and Republicans had no problem with it. He lost in 2008 because Evangelicals couldn't support a Mormon, but they were totally fine with RomneyCare. (Of course, by 2012, OH MY GOD THERE WAS A NEGRO IN THE WHITE HOUSE and the Evangelicals dind't care about his Mormonism anymore.)

Then the ACA passed, and because the Democrats wimped out and didn't insist on a Medicare buy in or a Public Option, we essentially got a version of the Republican Heritage/Romney model. BUT THE BLACK GUY DID IT!!!! So suddenly, Republicans were totally against their own idea!!!

 

[JoeB131]

I see! It’s all ewe have! I mock ewe.

It's too bad you can't show up with an actual argument...

 

[LeftofLeft]

Blaming racism is like a crack addiction with you people.... even when it does not exist. Further, why and how does Wall Street give two ***** about screwing the Middle Class in order to get richer?

You're kidding, right? No, you probably aren't. You think that Wall Street has been pushing Union Busting, Free Trade, Right To Work, At Will employment, etc. What do you think the goal is there?

The Middle Class takes less of it’s hard earned paycheck under Liberal tax plans. Many of the economic models favored by the Left have little or NO Middle Class.

Which models are those?

I guess if you have no rich and no poor, there would be no middle.

Finally, how is opposing ACA racist? Because Obama signed off on it?

Now, this is why opposition to the ACA was nothing BUT racism.

When Hillary proposed a public option to cover the uninsured, the Heritage Foundation proposed what is essentially the ACA and Republicans were all for it. Just provide private insurance to everyone, if they can afford it or not.

Then Mitt Romney did it for real in Massachusetts... and called it a model for the country, and Republicans had no problem with it. He lost in 2008 because Evangelicals couldn't support a Mormon, but they were totally fine with RomneyCare. (Of course, by 2012, OH MY GOD THERE WAS A NEGRO IN THE WHITE HOUSE and the Evangelicals dind't care about his Mormonism anymore.)

Then the ACA passed, and because the Democrats wimped out and didn't insist on a Medicare buy in or a Public Option, we essentially got a version of the Republican Heritage/Romney model. BUT THE BLACK GUY DID IT!!!! So suddenly, Republicans were totally against their own idea!!!

Republicans were against the Obama version because it is destined to fail and the real outcome is single payer. The Obama version is 1/6 of the economy and serves as a wealth transfer / redistribution vehicle.

 

[JoeB131]

Republicans were against the Obama version because it is destined to fail and the real outcome is single payer. The Obama version is 1/6 of the economy and serves as a wealth transfer / redistribution vehicle.

And it was the exact same plan that Republicans proposed ALL THE WAY UP until 2008.

The. Same. *******. Plan.

Except the Black Guy did it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is little doubt that people saw Obama pushing the country left, saw Hillary as an extension of that and pushed back. Obama himself has said he felt stung by this, as it was a clear repudiation of his policies.

There is also little doubt that the current field would seem to want to go further left than the policies that caused the pushback in the first place, which even some in the dem party recognize as not a winning strategy.

They lost, blamed everything and everyone else for that loss and therefore learned nothing from that it, as, in their minds, they didn't actually lose, as if gripped by some mass delusion.

Meanwhile, Trump is in the White House, the courts have been remade, the economy, despite some troubling elements, is chugging along. meanwhile, the dems have put all their chips on going further left. Its truly astonishing how blind they are to their own contributions to their situation.

My guess is that, with Obama's first win, the hardcore, illiberal Left thought it was over - that "change had come" and that demographics would keep it that way permanently.

Looks like they were a little early on that. So, after thinking the long, tough battle was over and getting beat, they completely lost their shit.
.

Without a doubt.

The taunting from the left on the result of the ekection started BEFORE the election.

Lots of demographic data, we'll not see another republican president in our lifetimes, etc, etc.

The smug sense of superiority and that they were in control so everyone else could just sit down and STFU is not something I have forgotten. They believed it, all the way up to their candidate who thought she had it in the bag. All laughing at Trump, ridiculing the "deplorables" merrily counting their chickens while ignoring the discontent because they thought they had the luxury of marginalizing and simply telling ~50% of the population to STFU, apprently not realizing they had to actually win the election before showing their true colors.


Oopsie. Lol.

The illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left -- the people in control of a pretty large swath of the party -- refuse to acknowledge their part in Trump's win.
.

They can't, as by doing so they would have had admit their policies are part of the problem. That they failed. That they lost. That they might have to rethink things.

Hence the rest of the noise on "cheating" "we actually won" blah, blah, blah.

Here's the rub for them. This has resulted in what we are seeing now on the left. The messaging that they didn't actually lose to avoid taking responsibilty, led to the belief that it was true, which led to inaction on the reasons underpinning their loss, which has led them to continue down the same path.

They're very, very literally doing this to themselves.

For me, personally, this is hilarious. It is right in plain sight and they cannot, will not, see it, as doing so is admitting they were wrong, while not doing so and continuing on their path is self defeating.

They are fighting themselves- and losing. Lol.

The Democrat party cannot admit they lost. They cannot admit that conservatism is alive and well. If they did that, it would knock the wind out of their voters sails. A good percentage of their voters are lazy. They don't really care about voting. It's the real reason they were (and are) fighting against Voter-ID.

Instead, lie to their constituents, and tell them they really won, it's just that those crafty Republicans once again found a way to cheat them out of their win. Democrat voters are not very bright people. They can't see the pattern:

Trump win--Russian collusion, Comey announced re-opening of investigation.
Bush reelection--Diebold machines.
Bush first election--Punch card ballots, Supreme Court, Brother was Governor............
Republican takeover of the House in 2010--Gerrymandering, Voter-ID.

When was the last time the Democrat party ever announced "We did something wrong. We need to work on our policies." I can't recall such a time.

 

[JoeB131]

The Democrat party cannot admit they lost. They cannot admit that conservatism is alive and well. If they did that, it would knock the wind out of their voters sails. A good percentage of their voters are lazy. They don't really care about voting. It's the real reason they were (and are) fighting against Voter-ID.

So by your logic, they are too lazy to vote, but you want to put up obstacles to keep them from voting?

Why, that makes about as much sense as complaining about big government welfare programs while collecting disability!

Instead, lie to their constituents, and tell them they really won, it's just that those crafty Republicans once again found a way to cheat them out of their win. Democrat voters are not very bright people. They can't see the pattern:

Hillary won by 3 million votes. Invoking a technicality did not make it any less of a scam.

 

[Norman]

The dumb assed race card is over used. Your side has cried racism at every occasion. Is that all ewe have? The race card? I pity ewe.

Denying racism doesn't make it go away... or make you less racist.

It's not just identity BS. It is globalism, elitism, centralism etc.

And of course Americans being in control of the nation. It's no accident that Trump's signature chant is "Build the wall!".

Which only shows how stupid his followers are, since most immigrants - even the undocumented ones - come in through legal means.

Build the wall is more symbolism. The message is to shut the border closed before the people who are not American.

The Democrat party cannot admit they lost. They cannot admit that conservatism is alive and well. If they did that, it would knock the wind out of their voters sails. A good percentage of their voters are lazy. They don't really care about voting. It's the real reason they were (and are) fighting against Voter-ID.

So by your logic, they are too lazy to vote, but you want to put up obstacles to keep them from voting?

Why, that makes about as much sense as complaining about big government welfare programs while collecting disability!

Instead, lie to their constituents, and tell them they really won, it's just that those crafty Republicans once again found a way to cheat them out of their win. Democrat voters are not very bright people. They can't see the pattern:

Hillary won by 3 million votes. Invoking a technicality did not make it any less of a scam.

Dude, when democrat party is importing voters to subvert the will of the American people - the first question should whether we should have any voting at all. I certainly do not mind one bit if obstacles are put in the way. This is not a democracy.

 

[Olde Europe]

No, he is no White male supremacist - he just finds accommodating White male supremacists more important than to strive for something better, and, in so doing, he invents a far left in control of... something, to be blamed for the racist, misogynist boneheads and their rage.

Good lord- project much?

You know, dummy, did you think putting up a truncated quote and demonstrating your inability to craft an effective retort to it, makes you look smart?

 

[miketx]

It's not just identity BS. It is globalism, elitism, centralism etc.

And of course Americans being in control of the nation. It's no accident that Trump's signature chant is "Build the wall!".

How is that wall coming?

It's being built. now tell us some fake news.

 

[JoeB131]

Dude, when democrat party is importing voters to subvert the will of the American people - the first question should whether we should have any voting at all. I certainly do not mind one bit if obstacles are put in the way. This is not a democracy.

Guy, the will of the people was for Hillary to be president. The will of the people was for Trump to be impeached.

 

[WillowTree]

I see! It’s all ewe have! I mock ewe.

It's too bad you can't show up with an actual argument...

Mockity mock mock!

 

[iamwhatiseem]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a ******* thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

Once again, Vichy Mac starts with his premise and moves on with it.

The thing is, Trump's racism is NOTHING NEW. This shit started with Tricky Dick and his Southern Strategy, continued with Reagan and his Welfare Queens and Young Bucks, Jesse Helms and his "White Hands" ad, and Bush Sr. telling us Willie Horton was going to kill us all!

The GOP has been very good at using racism, sexism and homophobia to get stupid white people to vote against their own economic interests.

While the rich Wall Street types have been slowly dismantling the Middle Class Lifestyle they've accumulated since FDR.

Now that some people are getting fed up with it... these Wall Street types are SHITTING THEMSELVES.

Bernie isn't winning because of "PC" or "Identity Politics". Bernie just won in Whiter than White Iowa and is probably going to win in Whiter than White New Hampshire.

So this is what you are upset about, that someone pointed out the racism of people's opposition to the ACA? Of course it was racist. It was the plan that Republicans were ALL FOR until THE BLACK GUY DID IT.

The bullshit meter just broke.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

IN my strongest opinion, every single middle class American, Republican or Democrat should have applauded Trump winning for two reasons:
1) He was a non establishment candidate. Both party machines did not want him.
2) The American people spoke loud and clear - "**** you establishment corrupt politicians".
Donald Trump became President. And the sole reason why was enough people were tired of being forgotten and marginalized.
Trump didn't win. All of the other corrupt cookie cutter jackasses lost.
I have said repeatedly, Republicans didn't hand the win to Trump. The DNC did. I firmly believe Sanders would have beaten Trump. But he was cheated by his own party elites and Trump was the result.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So is this some sort of cumulative flip back and forth thing, where the extremism increases exponentially every cycle? Or is it further reaching into generations of angst and anger finding it's outlet?

That's my guess, and it was the first thing I thought about when Trump won: That he would be so over-the-top that we'd get an over-the-top response from the Democrats.

So, here we are. The chasm between the two parties is so wide now that the swings back and forth could just become more violent and insane.
.

The Republican party is trying to restore conservatism. Tea party types have gained some ground. Who are Tea Party people? They are constitutionalists.

On the left, they went from Democrat to liberalism, from liberalism's to progressive, from progressive to Democrat Socialism (whatever the hell that is) and if left alone, it will quickly go to Socialism, and only a few years away from Communism. In fact, the US Communist party endorsed their last three presidential candidates, and could't say enough about their current leader of the pack--Bernie Sanders.

So where is the middle ground between Communism and constitutionalism? There is none. You would have an easier time trying to find the middle ground between Israel and the Palestinians.

 

[BrokeLoser]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a ******* thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

You pretty much hit this one out of the park. Good job.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

IN my strongest opinion, every single middle class American, Republican or Democrat should have applauded Trump winning for two reasons:
1) He was a non establishment candidate. Both party machines did not want him.
2) The American people spoke loud and clear - "**** you establishment corrupt politicians".
Donald Trump became President. And the sole reason why was enough people were tired of being forgotten and marginalized.
Trump didn't win. All of the other corrupt cookie cutter jackasses lost.
I have said repeatedly, Republicans didn't hand the win to Trump. The DNC did. I firmly believe Sanders would have beaten Trump. But he was cheated by his own party elites and Trump was the result.

What won Trump the election was his border and immigration stance. While the other candidates were talking immigration reform, Trump was talking about putting it to a halt. That's what put him over the edge.

The Democrat party didn't learn anything by this, and perhaps many in the Republican party as well. Whites are starting to realize that the Democrat party became the anti-white party, trying to make whites a minority in our country ASAP for the first time in history. The more white propel wake up, the more ground with the majority the Democrats will lose.

 

[Vel]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a ******* thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

Once again, Vichy Mac starts with his premise and moves on with it.

The thing is, Trump's racism is NOTHING NEW. This shit started with Tricky Dick and his Southern Strategy, continued with Reagan and his Welfare Queens and Young Bucks, Jesse Helms and his "White Hands" ad, and Bush Sr. telling us Willie Horton was going to kill us all!

The GOP has been very good at using racism, sexism and homophobia to get stupid white people to vote against their own economic interests.

While the rich Wall Street types have been slowly dismantling the Middle Class Lifestyle they've accumulated since FDR.

Now that some people are getting fed up with it... these Wall Street types are SHITTING THEMSELVES.

Bernie isn't winning because of "PC" or "Identity Politics". Bernie just won in Whiter than White Iowa and is probably going to win in Whiter than White New Hampshire.

So this is what you are upset about, that someone pointed out the racism of people's opposition to the ACA? Of course it was racist. It was the plan that Republicans were ALL FOR until THE BLACK GUY DID IT.

Amazing. Look at what you posted and you'll see that you pretty much made the OP's case for him. Furthermore, Bernie is winning in Iowa and New Hampshire against other liberals not against republicans. People not blinded by race and gender are able to clearly see the hypocrisy of Bernie Sanders. How did he became a very wealthy man while spending 40 years as a politician? How is it he blames everyone else for failures of the government he has been a part of for the last 30 years? He's no outsider.