Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

[el midgetron]

I don't think you can change the constitution by EO.

Birthrights come from the people who birth you. Your parents. If neither is a citizen, then neither can bequeath you citizenship. If neither of them have it, then there is nothing for you to be born into.

 

[el midgetron]

I went to the ACLU once complaining about (me and everyone) being forced to have smartmeters installed on my house where the utility (or others) can spy on me, track my activity, even tell when I'm not home, and the ACLU wrote back that they could not be bothered. Not interested.

These are the organizations that need their budgets *****-slapped.

*in an indirect way.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I went to the ACLU once complaining about (me and everyone) being forced to have smartmeters installed on my house where the utility (or others) can spy on me, track my activity, even tell when I'm not home, and the ACLU wrote back that they could not be bothered. Not interested.

Not a 1st Amendment issue.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Birthrights come from the people who birth you. Your parents. If neither is a citizen, then neither can bequeath you citizenship. If neither of them have it, then there is nothing for you to be born into.

The 14th Amendment says otherwise.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He’s not changing the constitution, he’s recognizing the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means illegal aliens and legal visa holders fall into the same category as diplomats and foreign military.

... and unfortunately, on that point he will lose and be forced to seek a constitutional amendment.

I want to know how he thinks this can be enforced. I am extremely curious.

 

[fncceo]

I don't think you can change the constitution by EO.

No, but you can interpret The Constitution and let the SC sort it out.

 

[el midgetron]

The 14th Amendment says otherwise.

Then let’s allow the baby to stay and send the parents back home. Problem solved.

 

[marvin martian]

I don't think you can change the constitution by EO.

Biden did it via Twitter, by declaring the unratified 28th amendment is now "the law of the land".

We're in a new world, and you created it when you voted for Joe Biden. Now start dealing with it.

 

[Doc7505]

So the ACLU fights to protect "the people" of the United States from violations of their rights by the government as outlined specifically in the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution.

How does that make them "swine"?

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Because this is not protection of Citizens of the U.S., it is protecting and legalizing illegals and other foreign entities from claiming U.S. citizenship.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This will certainly end up in the courts and it's high time it didl

 

[el midgetron]

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The question is ARE THEY PEOPLE FROM THE UNITED STATES??

14TH was for slaves not Mexicans

I was speaking in general about what the ACLU does.

And I'm aware that the 14th amendment was ratified to cover the children of former slaves. The fact that it is "exploited" to include a group of people that it was never intended to include is a perfect example of one of the unintended consequences that resulted due to supremacist policies and laws that were created in order to disadvantage people of African descent.

The 14th amendment would never have had to be ratified but for the continued racism against people of African descent.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Then let’s allow the baby to stay and send the parents back home. Problem solved.

I have no problem with them taking the baby with them. Problem solved twice.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This will certainly end up in the courts and it's high time it didl

The reason that it hasn't been in the courts is no one ever claimed it wasn't the current law in many years.

Texas tried years ago and had to settle because they were going to lose.

 

[egp320i]

why did trump not do this his 1st term?

 

[el midgetron]

I have no problem with them taking the baby with them. Problem solved twice.

But I’m always hearing about how we need people to do the jobs Americans don’t want to. Those babies would do whatever we trained them to do.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Did they oppose Real ID and the turning of the Slave Surveillance Number into a national identifier?

How about all the banking regulations that have completely eliminated any semblance of private transactions?

Where has the ACLU been on the "sobriety checkpoints"?

Where are they on warrentless surveillance and FISA?

**** the ACLU.

I'm curious, do you adjust your thinking when you're shown information contrary to what you believe or is it more important to you to "appear" to know what you're talking about than to actually be "correct" in what you're talking about?

In other words, when you're shown information that shows you're mistaken do you self-correct or instead, in order to save face (or whatever), continue spouting the same false information?

Starting at the bottom

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has been a prominent advocate against unwarranted surveillance and the misuse of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) in the United States. Their efforts encompass legal challenges, public advocacy, and calls for legislative reforms.​

Legal Challenges:​

• FISA Amendments Act of 2008: The ACLU filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the FISA Amendments Act (FAA) on the day it was enacted. They argued that the law granted the National Security Agency (NSA) excessive power to conduct warrantless surveillance of Americans' communications without proper oversight, infringing upon privacy rights.
  American Civil Liberties Union
  
• Clapper v. Amnesty International USA: In this case, the ACLU represented various plaintiffs contesting the legality of surveillance under the FAA. The Supreme Court, however, ruled that the plaintiffs lacked standing as they couldn't prove they were directly affected by the surveillance, given its secretive nature.
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Advocacy and Legislative Efforts:​

• Section 702 of FISA: The ACLU has been vocal about the government's use of Section 702, which permits the collection of electronic communications without a warrant. They highlight concerns over the "backdoor search loophole," where agencies search collected data for information on U.S. citizens without obtaining warrants. The ACLU urges Congress to reform or allow Section 702 to expire, emphasizing the need for stronger privacy protections.
  American Civil Liberties Union
  
• Transparency of FISA Court Opinions: The ACLU has sought greater transparency from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), advocating for the release of court opinions that have significant implications on Americans' privacy rights. They argue that public access to these opinions is crucial for informed democratic oversight.
  Law & Crime
  

Recent Developments:​

• In response to the reauthorization debates surrounding Section 702, the ACLU has intensified its efforts, calling on Congress to implement substantial reforms to prevent mass warrantless surveillance. They emphasize that without significant changes, the government's surveillance practices will continue to infringe upon civil liberties.
  
  American Civil Liberties Union​

 

[johnwk]

And he is quite correct.

Of course, swine from the ACLU et al. will take it to court.

We demand the end of this anomaly of birthright citizenship. It was never an intended consequence of the 14th Amendment.

Let us stick to facts regarding "birthright" citizenship
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FACT: According to those who framed our Constitution and helped to ratify it, the wording in the Fourteenth Amendment “… and subject to the jurisdiction thereof …” is a qualifier which, by documented legislative intent, excludes from the privilege of United States citizenship the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals born on American soil. SOURCE

FACT: Congress has not exercised its Fourteenth Amendment, Section 5, authority to adopt appropriate legislation granting citizenship to the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals born on American soil.

FACT: “Without the enforcement clause, the provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment would be moot. This clause gives Congress the power to pass legislation with the goal of enforcing the Amendment. As a result, Congress has used this clause to ensure all Americans enjoy the rights outlined in the Fourteenth Amendment.” SOURCE

FACT: In 1924, Congress exercised its authority and adopted appropriate legislation involving Indians, who were then subject to a foreign power, extending United States birth right citizenship by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924


FACT: To date there is no Supreme Court case which took up the question and confirmed a child born on American soil to an illegal entrant foreign national is granted U.S. citizenship upon birth.

FACT: Considering there is no federal statute, nor a Supreme Court case confirming a child born on American soil to an illegal entrant foreign national is a U.S. citizenship upon birth, it is mere current unwritten policy which does so.

FACT: The good news is, Trump can change current federal unwritten policy with a stroke of his pen.

 

[X.Onasis]

I don't think you can change the constitution by EO.

The rules on Earth 1 and Earth 2 are completely different. Hence, the distinction.

 

[X.Onasis]

But I’m always hearing about how we need people to do the jobs Americans don’t want to. Those babies would do whatever we trained them to do.

Spoken like a forlorn child, bereft of his imagined privilege.