Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

[WorldWatcher]

Then ******* ASK SCOTUS and wait for their answer ….

Just FYI….

Courts do not provide advisory opinions. You can’t go to a court and ask how they would decide a hypothetical. Courts only provide such decisions based on actions, injury, and standing to challenge an action.

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Even more now. Not sure why you choose to refute it. You are all over the map politically. Maybe you just enjoy playing the contrarian.

In this case you are correct. I just love pointing out inconsistencies in other people's arguments.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Nice try but neither of my parents are illegal immigrants.

The 14th amendment is not conditional on parents' status, it grants citizenship unconditionally on anyone born here. It was last challenged in 1898.

You talk as the Constitution hasn't been ratified before and after what Biden did to it you shouldn't be the one to talk. Trump had to sign an EO to allow free speech in America again because the Biden/Harris administration totally screwed that part up along with the whole entire country.

I'm not discussing other executive orders, they have their place and I accept that. The US has every right to deny citizenship unless the parents meet some conditions (like in Britain) but that's a constitutional amendment and there's a process for that.

Any executive order that attempts to remove rights already granted by the constitution is a dereliction of duty by the President. He has just sworn to defend the constitution and a few hours later he attacks the constitution, THAT is what I am arguing about, not the merits or otherwise of restrictions I really couldn't care less about them.

If the ******* braindead republicans want to apply restrictions to the 14th amendment, then there's a process for doing that, the country doesn't need a ******* drama queen like Trumpty Dumpty making a huge circus out of it so he just can just try to insinuate he's a victim which is all he's done all his life, all of this shit is attention seeking, trouble making by a 78 year old petulant cuɲt with a mental age of 14.

What we are seeing here is a grave danger, it is an abuse of power, an attempt to use an already biased SCOTUS to circumvent a democratic process that is already very well defined.

 

[ChristisKing]

The 14th amendment is not conditional on parents' status, it grants citizenship unconditionally on anyone born here. It was last challenged in 1898.

I'm not discussing other executive orders, they have their place and I accept that. The US has every right to deny citizenship unless the parents meet some conditions (like in Britain) but that's a constitutional amendment and there's a process for that.

Any executive order that attempts to remove rights already granted by the constitution is a dereliction of duty by the President. He has just sworn to defend the constitution and a few hours later he attacks the constitution, THAT is what I am arguing about, not the merits or otherwise of restrictions I really couldn't care less about them.

If the ******* braindead republicans want to apply restrictions to the 14th amendment, then there's a process for doing that, the country doesn't need a ******* drama queen like Trumpty Dumpty making a huge circus out of it so he just can just try to insinuate he's a victim which is all he's done all his life.

What part about Trump is waiting for approval from the SCOTUS don't you understand?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

What part about Trump is waiting for approval from the SCOTUS don't you understand?

He's not waiting for anything, the executive order has already been issued.

 

[ChristisKing]

He's not waiting for anything, the executive order has already been issued.

Does the order say as long as there's approval somewhere in it?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Does the order say as long as there's approval somewhere in it?

NO. It is clearly stated it comes into effect 30 days after Jan 20 and that law enforcement agencies are obliged to uphold the executive order.

The only way it will ever get to SCOTUS is by it being challenged in all the state courts as it now is being, lots of work, lots of running around, lots of resources and this all by a president who claims to seek efficiency in government, the man is a prick, a lying drama queen.

The whole executive order is likely written by some dunce legal dingbat who works for Trump by doing exactly what he's told.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Protecting The Meaning And Value Of American Citizenship

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1.

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[WEATHER53]

The 14th amendment is not conditional on parents' status, it grants citizenship unconditionally on anyone born here. It was last challenged in 1898.

I'm not discussing other executive orders, they have their place and I accept that. The US has every right to deny citizenship unless the parents meet some conditions (like in Britain) but that's a constitutional amendment and there's a process for that.

Any executive order that attempts to remove rights already granted by the constitution is a dereliction of duty by the President. He has just sworn to defend the constitution and a few hours later he attacks the constitution, THAT is what I am arguing about, not the merits or otherwise of restrictions I really couldn't care less about them.

If the ******* braindead republicans want to apply restrictions to the 14th amendment, then there's a process for doing that, the country doesn't need a ******* drama queen like Trumpty Dumpty making a huge circus out of it so he just can just try to insinuate he's a victim which is all he's done all his life, all of this shit is attention seeking, trouble making by a 78 year old petulant cuɲt with a mental age of 14.

What we are seeing here is a grave danger, it is an abuse of power, an attempt to use an already biased SCOTUS to circumvent a democratic process that is already very well defined.

I don’t see the phrase “anyone born here”

 

[ChristisKing]

NO. It is clearly stated it comes into effect 30 days after Jan 20 and that law enforcement agencies are obliged to uphold the executive order.

Are you sure about that? Thirty days sounds like a period of time to discuss it.

 

[WEATHER53]

I don’t see the phrase “anyone born here”

What I do see is any child born to a citizen of the USA becomes a citizen at birth. People of other citizenships are not referenced.

 

[eagle1462010]

NO. It is clearly stated it comes into effect 30 days after Jan 20 and that law enforcement agencies are obliged to uphold the executive order.

The only way it will ever get to SCOTUS is by it being challenged in all the state courts as it now is being, lots of work, lots of running around, lots of resources and this all by a president who claims to seek efficiency in government, the man is a prick, a lying drama queen.

The whole executive order is likely written by some dunce legal dingbat who works for Trump by doing exactly what he's told.

Donut shops will have Massive business then. Bunch of Donut eating lawyers lol

 

[Crepitus]

Take it to court.

I'm sure it's already in motion.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Wouldn't this at some point in time require a certification at birth? As it is now, all that is recorded is date and place of birth and parents names and place of residence. There is no determination based in citizen status because of the assumption of citizenship based on what is primarily a custom here. That and internal enforcement makes this difficult if not impossible, We have done it this way for so long we are institutionalized, while nearly every other nation doesn't do this.

• Child’s full name, including first, middle, and last names
• Child’s place of birth: city, country, and state
• Date of birth, which can also include the time
• Child’s gender
• Details about the birth: single birth, twins, triplets, etc.
• Father’s full name
• Birth date and location of the father
• Mother’s full name, including maiden name if married
• Birth date and location of the mother
• City, country, and state of residence of the birth parents

The assumption of citizenship is based on the Constitution not custom.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No amendment necessary yet, only clarification by the Supreme Court.

Not in the slightest. They won't touch it or deny the plaintiffs.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" What Does Thereof Mean In Us 14th Amendment "

* Add Thereof After And Subject To The Jurisdiction "

This is the line in the constitution.
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
It doesnt mention slaves, or immigrants no matter what you spout. I suspect that Trump would need to change that before he implements his edict.

Any which are not either citizens , or subjects by title in us legal immigration system , as in invited by visa , do not satisfy the " thereof " term from us 14th amendment and their children are to be given jus sangunin citizenship to the country of origin of the mother .

The kim wong ark judgement ruled that kim was a us citizen , because his parents were legal migrants in good legal standing , meaning that they complied with such things as not requiring social subsistence , not criminals , etc . which is expected of legal migrants ( visa ) seeking to stay in the us , and it is especially required of those seeking to be naturalized .

Zone1 - Civis Etas Unis Sum And Subject To The Jurisdiction Thereof Clause From Us 14th Amendment

" Civis Etas Unis Sum And Subject To The Jurisdiction Thereof Clause From Us 14th Amendment " * Meaning For And Subject To The Jurisdiction Thereof Clause * Consider the terms " born " and " naturalized " in relationship with the clause of " and subject to the jurisdiction thereof " from us...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[JoeB131]

Courts can change their mind

Not on key points of constitutional law that have 125 years of precedence behind them.

While assclowns like Thomas and Alito might go along with it, more sensible justices like Roberts and Gorsuch will not.

You are trash. White or black doesn’t matter.

Nope, we are seeing the ascendency of white trash, that Trump would never let in his Club, running the GOP. It's kind of sad, really.

 

[JoeB131]

The ACLU was started by a communist. Roger Baldwin. You know -- The same people that murdered over a HUNDRED MILLION SOULS in the 20th Century alone and whose descendants are still waging Wars of aggression all over the world. Scum. Filth.

The 1950s called, they want their paranoia back.... and Joe McCarthy's corpse.

So the husband of a minority is lowered himself to racial smears against whites?

Thats not unexpected

I'm sure that burns you up, too.

But you're still white trash.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump respects the Constitution

Sometimes he loses in the courts but he always respects their decisions

Except when he gets convicted of felonies,

Or found liable for fraud.

Or Sexual Assaults.

 

[JoeB131]

Or, Roe v Wade

The SC can change its mind

Not on established, clearly defined law.

So by that logic, you'd be okay if the Courts suddenly decided that the Second Amendment is about militias and not gun ownership?