Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

It doesnt specify that.
yes it does
the reason why the birth right citizenship amendment was made was to protect the offspring of freed slaves
it was not made for people who illegally crossed the border
it's just a fact
 
you, of all people, stating parrots don't sound smart.
 
Courts clarify ambiguous statements all the time. They can address "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." But yes an Amendment would be the ideal way of disposing of the issue.
The problem is the statement was contained in the amendment and requires no clarification, and it was defined in the court ruling. If we want to change the amendment, let's do it the right way.
 
The problem is the statement was contained in the amendment and requires no clarification, and it was defined
It was defined by the framers of the 14th amendment, in addition to the court as follows:


Let us examine the stated meaning of “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” from voices of acknowledged authority.

John A. Bingham, considered the architect of the 14th Amendment, remarks on the intended meaning of “jurisdiction” as it appears in the amendment:

“I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” Congressional Globe, 39th Congress (March 9th,1866)

On May 30th, of the 14th Amendment debates Senator Trumbull states:

“The provision is, that “all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.” That means “subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.” . . . “What do we mean by “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?” Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means….“It cannot be said of any Indian who owes allegiance, partial allegiance if you please, to some other Government that he is “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States” … It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens; and there can be no objection to the proposition that such persons should be citizens." see: Cong. Globe 39th Congress, page 2893,


Mr. JOHNSON then rises to say: “…there is no definition in the Constitution as it now stands as to citizenship. Who is a citizen of the United States is an open question….there is no definition as to how citizenship can exist in the United States except through the medium of a citizenship in a State… “Now, all that this amendment provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power–for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us–shall be considered as citizens of the United States.” …he then continues “…the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born of parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States.”.”_ Cong. Globe. Page 2893


Mr. HOWARD later follows up with regard to the meaning of “jurisdiction” by saying: “I concur entirely with the honorable Senator from Illinois, in holding that the word “jurisdiction,” as here employed, ought to be construed as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, coextensive in all respects with the constitutional power of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now.” SEE: Cong.Globe, 39th Congress, page 2895,




And in IN RE SLAUGHTER-HOUSE CASES, 83 U.S. 36 (1872) with regard to the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” the SCOTUS emphatically states:

“That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, subject to its jurisdiction’ was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.”


And then in 1884, the Supreme Court once again echoes the intentions for which “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was written into the 14th Amendment:

'This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only,-birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are ‘all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.’ The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States,but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.”___ Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 101 (1884)


And how may an alien who has entered the United States nullify their allegiance to their home country and submit themselves to the complete jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment, so a child born to such a person becomes a citizen of the United States upon birth?


By taking the following Oath Of Allegiance as prescribed under our law.



“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;

that I will support and defend the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;

that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;

that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law;

that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law;

that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and
that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God”


By this oath an alien becomes “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment and a baby born to such an individual while on American soil would then be a citizen of the US because its mother owes her allegiance to the United States, may be required to serve in the Armed Forces of the United States, and is therefore subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment!
 
Birth right citizenship explained.

 
No, but you can interpret The Constitution and let the SC sort it out.
I expect the SC will sort it out by interpreting "birth right" citizen according to current precedent. That said, I hope I'm wrong.
 
It might not hold up Constitutionally but it's a step in the right direction.
 
When you are here illegally then your affiliation or alligence is to where you are legal
Libs have tried to emotionally distort this distinction into a feeling. It’s not, it’s a definition and no word change is going to work
 
Maybe they’ve been listening to Trump too much. That guys is constantly telling people how terrible our country is.
Na, being going on well before Trump got into politics.
 
And he is quite correct.

Of course, swine from the ACLU et al. will take it to court.

We demand the end of this anomaly of birthright citizenship. It was never an intended consequence of the 14th Amendment.



Glad we have a conservative court for this one. Litigation isn't always a bad thing. Maybe this will shut the left up if Trump wins.
 
15th post
Republicans should just do an Amendment then regardless of the outcome TRUMP can declare the Amendment pass and is now law of the land thanks to the Biden ...
Given all the expenses and problems illegal aliens and faux asylum seekers are causing in blue states and cities, now would be a good time to push for an Amendment restricting citizenship to those with one or more citizen parents regardless of where they were born. I think the popular support for such an amendment would be there.
 
Its not evil to prevent border jumpers from having anchor babies on US soil

Including pregnant chinese women on tourist visas
At least the Chinese who come here for birth tourism are not a drag on the economy. What they are doing is setting a sea anchor for when the PRC comes apart. The infant American citizen would allow his immediate family to bypass the normal immigration process. It's a smart move for Chinese with money. It costs them little for the insurance and can pay off big if they ever need it.
 
Last edited:
Who says they are dependent on the government? Some qualify for some small amounts of aide but that is a far cry from "dependent on the government" so....................................
"Small amounts of aid"? The child is eligible for every welfare program there is, food subsidies, rent subsidies, free schooling and medical care; the list goes on and on. The illegal alien parents of the child get to spend that money and directly benefit from it. They "earn" more than a citizen working for minimum wage.
 
"Small amounts of aid"? The child is eligible for every welfare program there is, food subsidies, rent subsidies, free schooling and medical care; the list goes on and on. The illegal alien parents of the child get to spend that money and directly benefit from it. They "earn" more than a citizen working for minimum wage.

Minors do not get rent subsidies. Sheesh. Like any other minor citizen they do get to go to school. Why this would bother you is beyond me.
 

New Topics

Back
Top Bottom