Zone1 Trump was curious as to why the mullahs paid no heed to this threats. He should not have been they were acting true to form.

Persuader

Diamond Member
Joined
Jul 8, 2020
Messages
5,458
Reaction score
5,271
Points
1,938
Great lpiece by Steve Apfel

'What is it about Switzerland? Three Presidents have tried their luck at dealing with blatant insanity. Obama played his cards in Lausanne in 2015 while Biden bet on Vienna five years later. Geneva’s turn had come. The President’s golf pal Witkoff went through the motions. Last night Trump gave thumbs up. The Mullah team had its final chance. At that moment in Tehran all hell broke loose.

Of all murky lunacies, redoing nuclear talks with born liars and lunatics is the most comic, the most idiotic, the most perilous. “The president wants diplomatic solutions. He prefers them greatly.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio had to mask Trump’s serial ultimatums tagged with frantic appeals for Tehran to negotiate. He’d risked sailing close to the wind, given Obama’s “worst deal ever made,” that crude denouncement now putting the President’s political life at risk. The Special Envoy was having a third stab at a nuclear deal. The Mullahs would have been relishing one cop-out after another. And they slipped a fourth round of playing postman’s bluff onto the rumor mill.


Never mind the MAGA movement. A poll from The Associated Press-NORC Centre for Public Affairs conducted in February 19-23 found that both the left and right view Iran’s nuclear program as a threat. At the same time they lack trust in the President’s judgment. As for the isolationist crowd, a military escapade in the Middle East scares the hell out of them. Zionists getting America to fight their wars are not the flavor of the day. Bait clicks for populist Tucker Carlson and professor John Mearsheimer were as likely as the risk of Iran’s ballistic missiles to de-escalate.

Many in the MAGA movement look askew at the President’s involvement in Ukraine, Venezuela, and Gaza as a betrayal of his vow to put “America first.” It would all have blown up in his face had Trump not bombed the terrors of Tehran to smithereens but cut a deal which froze rather than dismantled their nuclear program, declaring it better than Obama’s excuse for a deal.

For sure, the motives of the 44th and 47th Presidents were poles apart. A signature legacy motivated the former to bargain with the devil. And he meant to empower Iran’s theocracy, not bring it down. Indeed Obama was about to turn the old order upside down. Iran, hitherto America’s number one foe, was going to be, in the world’s number one hotspot, America’s number one ally. A detente brewed between the world’s powerhouse and the world’s sour pickle jar.

Witkoff was spared having to wave a dead duck of a deal. I’m sorry, but I struggle to give the real estate developer the time of day as an authentic broker of global peace. Take the latest statement he gave in an interview with Trump’s daughter-in-law :

He’s curious as to why they haven’t … I don’t want to use the word capitulated, but why they haven’t capitulated. Why under this sort of pressure with the amount of naval power that we have there, why they haven’t come to us and said, ‘We profess that we don’t want a weapon, so here’s what we’re prepared to do.’ And yet it’s hard to sort of get them to that place.
Certainly Trump prevaricated like nobody’s business. Last Friday he spoke like a pettish lad demanding that Iran “better negotiate a fair deal.” This followed Iran’s gunning down of 32,000 protesters in February’s uprising. One expected Trump to stand by his word. In January Trump had declaimed that the U.S. would come to the rescue of protesters if the regime resorted to violence to quell the uprising. Then the atrocity — locals told the BBC it was unlike anything before. Trump reacted how? He promised Iranians that “help is on the way.” They waited. We waited.


Moving to new ground he told Tehran it must do two things to avoid an attack by America’s gulf armada: “Number one, no nuclear. Number two, stop killing protesters. They are killing them by the thousands.” On CBS Evening News he warned about “very strong actions” if public executions occurred. “They were going to hang 837 people, and I gave them the word, if you hang one person, even one person, that you’re going to be hit right then and there. I wasn’t waiting two weeks and negotiating. And they gave up the hanging. They didn’t hang 837, supposedly they didn’t hang anybody.”

It came over as naive about how Jew-hatred works. Too close he sailed to Obama, who at one time lectured The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg about the behaviour of monster Mullahs.

“There are deep strains of anti-Semitism in the core regime, but they also are interested in maintaining power.”

Goldberg begged to disagree. “It’s my belief that it is difficult to negotiate with parties that are captive to a conspiratorial anti-Semitic worldview; not because they hold offensive views, but because they hold ridiculous views…. I don’t believe that the regime can be counted on to be entirely rational.”


The truth lies deeper. Yes, there’s nothing calculated in verbal attacks of the kind that Iran makes. Like a volcano they seem to emanate from some deep superheated disturbance. But when anti-Semites spew vitriol at Israel they do more than distort facts or recite a miscellany of canards. Seldom do anti-Semites react to provocation, to what Jews have done. When a core figure warns that Iran needs only 24 hours and an excuse to wipe Israel off the map, he’s not mad at Israel’s deeds. He’s passionately in love with hating Jews.

More than his support for Israel, more than displaying empathy for the Iranian people, he had to stand by his word.
Anti-Semites are not, as the phrase goes, in their right minds. In a real sense they are out of their minds. A passion can do that. And the passion that collects around Israel is like no other. It consumes whole countries, even distorts trade. Quite sane leaders lose their minds over Israel.

Walter Russell Mead would agree.

“Nations and political establishments warped by this hatred tend to make one dumb decision after another — starting at shadows, warding off imaginary dangers, misunderstanding the nature of problems they face.”

It’s what Goldberg was getting at, and what pulled him up short. Debriefing Foreign Policy Journal afterwards he bemoaned the President’s obtuseness.

“Obama doesn’t seem to fully understand that anti-Semites actually believe the dangerous and idiotic things they say.” Had he not been a died-in-the-wool Democrat, perhaps Goldberg would have paid closer attention to the President’s own “take” on the subject. Had he done so Obama would not have slipped the most cardinal error past him:

The fact that you are anti-Semitic, or racist, doesn’t preclude you from being interested in survival. It doesn’t preclude you from being rational about the need to keep your economy afloat; it doesn’t preclude you from making strategic decisions about how you stay in power; and so the fact that (Iran’s) supreme leader is anti-Semitic doesn’t mean that this overrides all of his other considerations.
But it does: ergo the fatal move which ultimately cost the Third Reich victory. No one taught Obama that the extermination of Jews was not a means to an end but an end in itself? He doesn’t know that the Final Solution was not a part of the war effort, it was fully equal to the whole war effort? He’s not aware that resources needed for winning the war were diverted to the higher priority of putting Jews to death? He never read about the failure of Operation Barbarossa, a turning point in the fortunes of the Third Reich, in no small measure caused by the diversion of trains for Hitler’s genocide project? Hitler condemned his own troops to the pitiless Russian winter so that trains to death camps would continue to run and oven chimneys would continue to smoke.

Let Trump beware. More than his support for Israel, more than displaying empathy for the Iranian people, he had to stand by his word. Remember, he publicly vowed to rescue the Iranians. Last night’s joint attack was late for tens of thousands of freedom-crazed Iranians who lost their lives. Even so, he was not another Obama who drew a red line but recoiled from keeping it. “If you dare cross this line I shall draw a new one.”


 
Last edited:
I don't think you "persuaded" anyone with your rambling post. I'm not even sure what point you were trying to make. :dunno:
I do no think anyone would expect you to be able to grasp what the article said.
 
Except Iran was abiding by the terms of the JCPOA, according to the inspectors.


If they were abiding by the terms how did they come up with 40- 60 % enriched uranium when all they need to power their country is 5 % enriched?

You think they did all that overnight after Trump? Its been an ongoing process with them talking out both sides of their mouths.

Why is it you think that when OSHA shows up to an industrial work place or restaurant... they do unanounced checks?? why? because they know damn well people are going to clean everything up if they give 48 hours advanced notice.
Many time Iran refused inspectors to go in and only with advanced notice or other demands... thats called not acting in good faith and also how they ended up with highly enriched uranium.
Trump simply came in and decided we dont need to play the charade... its better to tear it up and start over with a new understanding.
 
If they were abiding by the terms how did they come up with 40- 60 % enriched uranium when all they need to power their country is 5 % enriched?

You think they did all that overnight after Trump? Its been an ongoing process with them talking out both sides of their mouths.

Why is it you think that when OSHA shows up to an industrial work place o r restaurant... they do unanounced checks?? why? because they know damn well people are going to clean everything up if they give 48 hours advanced notice.
Many time Iran refused inspectors to go in and only with advanced notice or other demands... thats called not acting in good faith and also how they ended up with highly enriched uranium.
Trump simply came in and decided we dont need to play the charade... its better to tear it up and start over with a new understanding.
They had about 8 years after Tump tore up the agreement. What Trump did was a bad idea. He did that only because he wanted destroy everything Obama did out of revenge for the night Obama embarassed him at that press corp dinner. And you racist pumped him him up and enabled him. Your racism might end up literally destroying this country.


So just face the fact that Trump made this mess and now he is trying to use our military to clean it up.
 
They had about 8 years after Tump tore up the agreement. What Trump did was a bad idea. He did that only because he wanted destroy everything Obama did out of revenge for the night Obama embarassed him at that press corp dinner. And you racist pumped him him up and enabled him. Your racism might end up literally destroying this country.


So just face the fact that Trump made this mess and now he is trying to use our military to clean it up.


Went back to watch the 2011 presscorp meeting, your exaggerating the level of embarrasment, looked pretty soft ball to me. Just gives you another chance to blame something on racism. Trump want the only one who thought the agreement to lift sanctions on Iran was a bad idea.. yet here you are knowing somehow the reason why he did ..and of course you know it was racist revenge. wow. You know there were millions of non white people who voted for Trump as well... did their racism also pump up Trump?

You can see the way Iran has reacted by sending missiles at everyone, they are the threat as billed. If they had nukes they would not hesitate to terrorize the world. Trump is using the military to do what needs to be done, and in a window of time that actually works. Russia and China will not get involved and now many of the Arab states are working with Israel. What we are actually seeing is progress and hope for the entire ME and the Iranian people.
 
" Orwellian Circular Logic Advocating For Those Submitting To Submission "

* Hoke Us Poke Us Cling On Icon Know No Idolatry Casts Blindly Prostrated Two Wards A Nomian Graven Image *

They had about 8 years after Tump tore up the agreement. What Trump did was a bad idea. He did that only because he wanted destroy everything Obama did out of revenge for the night Obama embarassed him at that press corp dinner. And you racist pumped him him up and enabled him. Your racism might end up literally destroying this country.
So just face the fact that Trump made this mess and now he is trying to use our military to clean it up.
surah 9:33
It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with God dislike it.


The rift between arab sunni and non arab shia remains a contest for a role of call it fate ( caliphate ) , that includes a compelling +1400 year history , while an even older contest for totality includes presumptions by fictional ishmaelism that its religious heirarchy should be manifest over all religion , including that of torahnism within israel .

The arab sunni aristocracy understands genetic religion and demarcations between torahnism , qurayshism , antinomianism and fictional ishmaelism .

Pitifully , the humiliated and disgraced clad of persians peoples are japhetic and not semitic , as its despots continue to perpetuate a debase nomian deontology for fictional ishmaelism that does not apply to them , while implicitly aspiring to the militancy of universality and totality , while its peoples remain deprived of informed consent and engagement in alternative social systems , such as antinomianism or independence of the individual - through equal protection of negative liberties among individuals .

A fundamental issue regarding fictional ishmaelism is its no holds barred expectations for absolution from violence to establish its perspectives for justice - as the edicts and tenets of creed for hisbah from qurayshism .

The gee double ewe was too sheepish to persuade a us 1st and 2nd amendment in iraq , though wahabbi appear to have been sequestered by al saud .

The republican guard of iran likely maintains allegiances for hard line religious zealotry as , if +30,000 iranian people died in protest , it was in part because its citizens were relieved of a rite to bear arms and not provisioned with self defense for mutually assured destruction to abate wield incentives .

. Zone1 - Why Do Zealots Justify Violence Because Their Goad Will Not Do It ? .

. The Kirk “Shooter” .
 
Last edited:
Great lpiece by Steve Apfel

'What is it about Switzerland? Three Presidents have tried their luck at dealing with blatant insanity. Obama played his cards in Lausanne in 2015 while Biden bet on Vienna five years later. Geneva’s turn had come. The President’s golf pal Witkoff went through the motions. Last night Trump gave thumbs up. The Mullah team had its final chance. At that moment in Tehran all hell broke loose.

Of all murky lunacies, redoing nuclear talks with born liars and lunatics is the most comic, the most idiotic, the most perilous. “The president wants diplomatic solutions. He prefers them greatly.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio had to mask Trump’s serial ultimatums tagged with frantic appeals for Tehran to negotiate. He’d risked sailing close to the wind, given Obama’s “worst deal ever made,” that crude denouncement now putting the President’s political life at risk. The Special Envoy was having a third stab at a nuclear deal. The Mullahs would have been relishing one cop-out after another. And they slipped a fourth round of playing postman’s bluff onto the rumor mill.


Never mind the MAGA movement. A poll from The Associated Press-NORC Centre for Public Affairs conducted in February 19-23 found that both the left and right view Iran’s nuclear program as a threat. At the same time they lack trust in the President’s judgment. As for the isolationist crowd, a military escapade in the Middle East scares the hell out of them. Zionists getting America to fight their wars are not the flavor of the day. Bait clicks for populist Tucker Carlson and professor John Mearsheimer were as likely as the risk of Iran’s ballistic missiles to de-escalate.

Many in the MAGA movement look askew at the President’s involvement in Ukraine, Venezuela, and Gaza as a betrayal of his vow to put “America first.” It would all have blown up in his face had Trump not bombed the terrors of Tehran to smithereens but cut a deal which froze rather than dismantled their nuclear program, declaring it better than Obama’s excuse for a deal.

For sure, the motives of the 44th and 47th Presidents were poles apart. A signature legacy motivated the former to bargain with the devil. And he meant to empower Iran’s theocracy, not bring it down. Indeed Obama was about to turn the old order upside down. Iran, hitherto America’s number one foe, was going to be, in the world’s number one hotspot, America’s number one ally. A detente brewed between the world’s powerhouse and the world’s sour pickle jar.

Witkoff was spared having to wave a dead duck of a deal. I’m sorry, but I struggle to give the real estate developer the time of day as an authentic broker of global peace. Take the latest statement he gave in an interview with Trump’s daughter-in-law :


Certainly Trump prevaricated like nobody’s business. Last Friday he spoke like a pettish lad demanding that Iran “better negotiate a fair deal.” This followed Iran’s gunning down of 32,000 protesters in February’s uprising. One expected Trump to stand by his word. In January Trump had declaimed that the U.S. would come to the rescue of protesters if the regime resorted to violence to quell the uprising. Then the atrocity — locals told the BBC it was unlike anything before. Trump reacted how? He promised Iranians that “help is on the way.” They waited. We waited.


Moving to new ground he told Tehran it must do two things to avoid an attack by America’s gulf armada: “Number one, no nuclear. Number two, stop killing protesters. They are killing them by the thousands.” On CBS Evening News he warned about “very strong actions” if public executions occurred. “They were going to hang 837 people, and I gave them the word, if you hang one person, even one person, that you’re going to be hit right then and there. I wasn’t waiting two weeks and negotiating. And they gave up the hanging. They didn’t hang 837, supposedly they didn’t hang anybody.”

It came over as naive about how Jew-hatred works. Too close he sailed to Obama, who at one time lectured The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg about the behaviour of monster Mullahs.

“There are deep strains of anti-Semitism in the core regime, but they also are interested in maintaining power.”

Goldberg begged to disagree. “It’s my belief that it is difficult to negotiate with parties that are captive to a conspiratorial anti-Semitic worldview; not because they hold offensive views, but because they hold ridiculous views…. I don’t believe that the regime can be counted on to be entirely rational.”


The truth lies deeper. Yes, there’s nothing calculated in verbal attacks of the kind that Iran makes. Like a volcano they seem to emanate from some deep superheated disturbance. But when anti-Semites spew vitriol at Israel they do more than distort facts or recite a miscellany of canards. Seldom do anti-Semites react to provocation, to what Jews have done. When a core figure warns that Iran needs only 24 hours and an excuse to wipe Israel off the map, he’s not mad at Israel’s deeds. He’s passionately in love with hating Jews.


Anti-Semites are not, as the phrase goes, in their right minds. In a real sense they are out of their minds. A passion can do that. And the passion that collects around Israel is like no other. It consumes whole countries, even distorts trade. Quite sane leaders lose their minds over Israel.

Walter Russell Mead would agree.

“Nations and political establishments warped by this hatred tend to make one dumb decision after another — starting at shadows, warding off imaginary dangers, misunderstanding the nature of problems they face.”

It’s what Goldberg was getting at, and what pulled him up short. Debriefing Foreign Policy Journal afterwards he bemoaned the President’s obtuseness.

“Obama doesn’t seem to fully understand that anti-Semites actually believe the dangerous and idiotic things they say.” Had he not been a died-in-the-wool Democrat, perhaps Goldberg would have paid closer attention to the President’s own “take” on the subject. Had he done so Obama would not have slipped the most cardinal error past him:


But it does: ergo the fatal move which ultimately cost the Third Reich victory. No one taught Obama that the extermination of Jews was not a means to an end but an end in itself? He doesn’t know that the Final Solution was not a part of the war effort, it was fully equal to the whole war effort? He’s not aware that resources needed for winning the war were diverted to the higher priority of putting Jews to death? He never read about the failure of Operation Barbarossa, a turning point in the fortunes of the Third Reich, in no small measure caused by the diversion of trains for Hitler’s genocide project? Hitler condemned his own troops to the pitiless Russian winter so that trains to death camps would continue to run and oven chimneys would continue to smoke.

Let Trump beware. More than his support for Israel, more than displaying empathy for the Iranian people, he had to stand by his word. Remember, he publicly vowed to rescue the Iranians. Last night’s joint attack was late for tens of thousands of freedom-crazed Iranians who lost their lives. Even so, he was not another Obama who drew a red line but recoiled from keeping it. “If you dare cross this line I shall draw a new one.”


Why do you believe Israel is entitled to posses nuclear weapons and Iran is not?
INTERACTIVE-GAZA-CEASEFIRE-DEC-12-2025_Death-toll-tracker-1765554400.png

Israel-Gaza war death toll: Live tracker
 
I do no think anyone would expect you to be able to grasp what the article said.
Yet you expect us to have patience to wade through your wall of text which is as long as at least ten average posts here.

Plus you lack ability to condense and parse the key points (bullets) of the loooooong ramble you posted.

You are more a Desuader than a persuader and you fail to grasp that concise is more persuasive than filibuster.
 
Yet you expect us to have patience to wade through your wall of text which is as long as at least ten average posts here.

Plus you lack ability to condense and parse the key points (bullets) of the loooooong ramble you posted.

You are more a Desuader than a persuader and you fail to grasp that concise is more persuasive than filibuster.
I posted a article by a very well informed and highly astute commentator....you are either a poor reader and or lack the needed intellectual capacity to grasp what he said.

Get lost.
 
Why do you believe Israel is entitled to posses nuclear weapons and Iran is not?
INTERACTIVE-GAZA-CEASEFIRE-DEC-12-2025_Death-toll-tracker-1765554400.png

Israel-Gaza war death toll: Live tracker
And in only a month the theocracy of Iran has killed over 30,000 Iranians who protested against the Mullahs and sought an internal regime change away from a jihadist theocracy. Muslim fanatics are far better at slaughtering their people than the Joos of Israel.

Israel has had nukes for a couple decades (or more) and hasn't used them yet, despite many provocations.
Iran on the other hand has used any opportunity and any means at it's disposal to attack both Israel and the USA.

A year after we had removed Saddam and his regime, and were in the midst of trying to restructure a more peaceful Iraq, Iran turned lose it's "insurrectionist" warriors on our occupying forces. Most of the IEDs used were also of Iranian fabrication.

Ever since the ouster of the Shah, @ 47 years ago, Iran has been attacking Americans where ever and when ever possible. Iran's theocracy has killed hundreds of Americans during this time and remains a threat to do more killing. Time to remove the theocracy regime and let the people of Iran build a more peaceful oriented government that isn't devoted to Jihad.

BTW; Hamas had a heavy hand in the slaughter in Gaza; problem is that forensics isn't able to confirm and count how many killed by IDF and how many killed by Hamas.
 
Last edited:
I posted a article by a very well informed and highly astute commentator....you are either a poor reader and or lack the needed intellectual capacity to grasp what he said.

Get lost.
I eventually found the time to read it and do grasp what the writer said.
However you broke a prime rule of this Board by copy-pasting the full text of the article when you are supposed to post selected excerpts, the link to the article, and maybe your opinion of the article, what it says, and why anyone should read it.

If any one should "Get lost" it's an incompetent and arrogant snob with bad attitude like you.
You do more harm to your cause than aid and support.
 
And in only a month the theocracy of Iran has killed over 30,000 Iranians who protested against the Mullahs and sought an internal regime change away from a jihadist theocracy. Muslim fanatics are far better at slaughtering their people than the Joos of Israel.
The Joos of Israel have been murdering Palestinians for decades; Iranians know this and have no intention of becoming the Joos next victims.
thumbs_b_c_cd9ed46e1478ca397b6e55bebd13ce68.jpg


"What began as religious celebrations for Ghadir Khumm in Iran on Saturday transformed into mass protests denouncing Israel and the United States, following recent Israeli attacks."

Thousands in Iran protest against Israel, US following Israeli attacks
 
Last edited:
15th post
The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion: Unpacking the Notorious Antisemitic Forgery

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, first published in Russia in 1903, is a notorious work of forgery containing many antisemitic conspiracy theories. Its twenty-four protocols depict a detailed sinister Jewish plot to gain world domination. Building on age-old antisemitic blood-libels and myths, the Protocols modernised many of those tropes and launched them into the twentieth century. The publication quickly gained popularity worldwide and has become a primary source of inspiration for antisemites.

Many of the conspiracies included in the book existed prior to its publication. These include the notion of Jewish world domination, control over governments, media and finance, and plots to destabilise the world order by promoting disorder and wars to benefit Jews. The Protocols have been translated from Russian into English, Arabic, Japanese, Polish, Spanish, and many other languages.

The main narrative in the Protocols depicts Jews as hating the goyim, or gentiles – anyone who is not Jewish. Jews and their agents, who, according to the Protocols, are present everywhere, plot to undermine world order by various means, including instability,
financial control and control over primary sources of information, such as the press and academia. Jews, according to the Protocols, plan to eventually destroy or subjugate their enemies and gain total world domination. Throughout the Protocols, there is a sense
that Jews see themselves as ‘the chosen people’ and view everyone else as there merely to be ruled, used, looked down upon, or to have contempt against. ‘We’ are powerful, ‘they’ are not smart, not sophisticated and greedy. The Protocols also exhibit Jewish contempt towards liberalism and freedoms, and set a plot to take advantage of these to serve their ambitions.
...
https://antisemitism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/APT-Protocols-Report.pdf

We also have a thread on this board on this myth/lie/"pravda" ...
Deconstructing the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
 

New Topics

Back
Top Bottom