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I agree that it doesn’t look like the best way to launch.In the event of a missile emergency in port (or on the surface), all sub launched missiles had a procedure to eject the missile from the tube towards something less expensive to destroy. The idea was to list (angle) the boat and use the steam generator to pressurize the tube and eject the missile from the tube. The rocket motor wouldn't ignite, but the missile would go far enough away that the chemical explosion of the rocket (hopefully) wouldn't destroy the sub or damage the warheads enough for the release of radioactive materials.
This looks like they used that same procedure for a surface launch. As long as the missile is out of the tube when the rocket motors are ignited, the sub would be, relatively safe.
I can see from that pic why they chose not to use that form of launch ever since the deployment of sub-launched ICBMs.
Can you imagine what it would be like to be at those docks watching a Trident sub launch it’s missiles?
I agree that it doesn’t look like the best way to launch.
However I have heard a Trident D5 can hit Russia even if in port. Obviously the facility the Trident sub was at would be a target and it would take a while for a sub to get underway.
That led to my comment about launching while in port.
Hang in there, friend!What pains me is that sycophants can't admit he's human and made mistakes.
The former president recommended sending American nuclear weapons into Russian waters on Monday after recently claiming he wants to avoid a world war.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Monday that the U.S. threaten Russian President Vladimir Putin with American nuclear submarine patrols, which would likely dramatically escalate global tensions amid Russia’s ongoing assault on Ukraine.
“You should say: ‘Look, you mention that word one more time and we’re gonna send [submarines] over and we’ll be coasting back and forth, up and down your coast,’” Trump said in an appearance on Fox Business, continuing a tour of media appearances to downplay his questionable record on Russia and Ukraine.
Earlier in the interview, the former president bizarrely described nuclear weaponry as “the n-word… the nuclear word.”
Trump’s suggestion would be dangerous. If Washington sent nuclear submarines into Russian waters, Putin would likely see that as an intolerable provocation. He would almost certainly react with a greater threat or even an attack on U.S. assets, sparking a domino effect that could lead to war between two of the world’s strongest militaries.
Because of his preference for military showboating and his deep-rooted desire to project strength, Putin is extremely unlikely to see a move like the one Trump suggested as a reason to behave less aggressively.
Donald Trump Wants To Use U.S. Nuclear Submarines To Threaten Russia
The former president recommended sending American nuclear weapons into Russian waters on Monday after recently claiming he wants to avoid a world war.www.huffpost.com
I'm sure President Biden has plenty of nuclear power on standby. What do you think?
They could which would be utterly stupid and suicidal.I would think the new Columbia class subs could launch their Trident II D5LE payload in relatively shallow water, given the upgrades to the missile compartment (which it shares in common with the UK's new Dreadnought class ballistic subs)
True, it's just suicidal to come into shallow waters for a launch.The launch depth for all sub-based ICBMs is relatively shallow compared to the sub's test depth. But you can't launch any sub-based ICBM from the surface.
I just hope we never have to use the missiles on the Trident subs. That means I hope Putin is truly sane and is just acting and the leaders in Iran are also sane.Yes, I got that. Fun fact. Back in my sub days, American FBMs were forward deployed to Holy Loch, Scotland. The Poseidon C3 we had at the time could have hit Moscow without even leaving Scotland.
Now, the boats are in King's Bay, which is well in range of Moscow with the D5.
That would suit me fine, spending 110 days submerged in The Arctic Ocean waiting to destroy Russia was boring. Of course, spending 110 days in Dunoon, Scotland would have been worse.
They have been capable as first strike weapons since the first subs started carrying Nukes but strategically their purpose was to go deep on a warning order in the event the enemy launches a first strike then come to launch depth just long enough to launch a counter strike.Actually the newer Trident II D5 ballistic missiles, which are currently carried by Ohio class subs (SSBN-734 and later) and the upcoming Columbia class subs, are rated for first-strike, counterforce, and second-strike capabilities. And the ongoing D5LE program is intended to bring further upgrades to the guidance and reentry systems for the Trident II, enhancing all three of those capabilities.
... AND, if this gets approved (was proposed by the NNSA near the end of Trump's term, not sure where it stands now), we may soon be outfitting the D5LE with a new nuclear warhead dubbed the W93 with a new Mk7 reentry vehicle. Most notably, the W93 will be lighter than the current W76 warheads with a higher-yield payload, allowing it to go farther and faster, and it will have next-gen guidance to better evade missile defense systems and hit precision targets from a greater distance.
While we're on the subject, it's worth mentioning that the Navy is also currently developing a new nuclear armed cruise missile dubbed SLCM-N (sea launched cruise missile), which is slated to be deployed on Virginia class attack subs. That was another project proposed during Trump's term, but I recall reading that it did get funding approval last year. But that's not slated to be ready until around 2030 or so, IIRC.
1st, in port you have no targeting data.So while in port you couldn’t launch your missiles if we were attack unless you got on way and submerged?
Oh he's sane, maniacal, calculating and an evil son of a bitch. Definitely not stupid, or crazy enough to destroy his own country and himself over Ukraine.I just hope we never have to use the missiles on the Trident subs. That means I hope Putin is truly sane and is just acting and the leaders in Iran are also sane.
You think the Russki attack subs would be in a position to attack? After launching, you go deep and make like a huge hole in the water. Our subs are so quiet, chances are you would collide with it without even knowing it was there.They could which would be utterly stupid and suicidal.
A sub needs very deep water with a lot of contour on the bottom to evade detection and destruction following a launch.
The Columbia wont be in the water for years, it is still in pieces all over the east coast.I would think the new Columbia class subs could launch their Trident II D5LE payload in relatively shallow water, given the upgrades to the missile compartment (which it shares in common with the UK's new Dreadnought class ballistic subs)
The former president recommended sending American nuclear weapons into Russian waters on Monday after recently claiming he wants to avoid a world war.
Former President Donald Trump suggested Monday that the U.S. threaten Russian President Vladimir Putin with American nuclear submarine patrols, which would likely dramatically escalate global tensions amid Russia’s ongoing assault on Ukraine.
“You should say: ‘Look, you mention that word one more time and we’re gonna send [submarines] over and we’ll be coasting back and forth, up and down your coast,’” Trump said in an appearance on Fox Business, continuing a tour of media appearances to downplay his questionable record on Russia and Ukraine.
Earlier in the interview, the former president bizarrely described nuclear weaponry as “the n-word… the nuclear word.”
Trump’s suggestion would be dangerous. If Washington sent nuclear submarines into Russian waters, Putin would likely see that as an intolerable provocation. He would almost certainly react with a greater threat or even an attack on U.S. assets, sparking a domino effect that could lead to war between two of the world’s strongest militaries.
Because of his preference for military showboating and his deep-rooted desire to project strength, Putin is extremely unlikely to see a move like the one Trump suggested as a reason to behave less aggressively.
Donald Trump Wants To Use U.S. Nuclear Submarines To Threaten Russia
The former president recommended sending American nuclear weapons into Russian waters on Monday after recently claiming he wants to avoid a world war.
I'm sure President Biden has plenty of nuclear power on standby. What do you think?
The Russian subs (most of them) are rusting in port....and have been since the collapse of the USSR.You think the Russki attack subs would be in a position to attack? After launching, you go deep and make like a huge hole in the water. Our subs are so quiet, chances are you would collide with it without even knowing it was there.
You don't know the U.S. Constitution, do you?Trump needs to button his lip.
Brandon's best course of action is to abdicate the Office to Trump - then Trump can talk
That’s what I suspect too. At least I hope Putin is just bluffing about using nukes.Oh he's sane, maniacal, calculating and an evil son of a bitch. Definitely not stupid, or crazy enough to destroy his own country and himself over Ukraine.
LOL. Describing a sub as a "defensive deterrent" is creative. Are you a lawyer?
I realize your purpose in whining about what happened two years ago is to deflect attention from the wreck in the Oval Office. Frankly, you just look goofy.I haven't forgotten anythign and our own Intel people knew there was an ongoing epidemic in China weeks before the Chinese announced it.
Lunar New Year is China's biggest holiday. For the third straight year, many families will be forced to spend it apart | CNN
More than two years have passed since China sealed off an entire city of more than 11 million people to curb the world's first Covid-19 outbreak.www.cnn.com
The Wuhan lockdown began in mid January at which point the Chinese could not longer even pretend there wasn't an epidemic.
China’s most famous defector to America warned US intelligence agencies of coronavirus in 2019
Wei Jingsheng, the father of China’s democracy movement, reveals that he first heard of a new, mysterious virus at the time of the World Military Games in Wuhan in October 2019.nypost.com
We know now their first cases were identified in November.
