Trump ultimatum: Open Hormuz in 48-hours or your powerplants will be destroyed. (Poll)

[MisterBeale]

Its likely an underestimate

I disagree, more than likely it is a huge overestimate. And most of those killed where likely those Afghan refugees that were paid by Israel to create a riot.

 

[Zavulon]

Trump lied to the American people. What makes anyone think he would be honest with Iran?

Actually, it's Trump's special thing - invite Iranians to negotiations and then, instead of negotiations, kill them. He did it at least twice, and I believe the new Iranian leadership is not going to talk with him at all.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Either way, the point is, I don't just accept war propaganda at face value.

Then maybe you could climb on a plane and go count them.

Otherwise, this is the world we live in.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Its likely an underestimate

I would agree.

This is who was openly killed.

Who knows what else is happening that nobody knows about.

 

[georgephillip]

They are our ally whether you like it our not.

Iran has been a thorn in our side killing Americans. To me. Its fcking pay back time.

According to GoogleAI, the IDF is currently invading Lebanon with three divisions of troops, Each division contains 10,000-15,000 military personnel. Two more divisions are expect to participate in stealing more Arab land as far as the Litani River.

Why shouldn't Israeli boot invade Iran instead of Lebanon?

 

[HikerGuy83]

I disagree, more than likely it is a huge overestimate.

You have something to share in terms of reporting, be my guest.

Otherwise, this is just a wish on your part.

And a sad one as it fits your narrative. You don't seem like a left-wing moron.

 

[citygator]

 

[HikerGuy83]

Either way, the point is, I don't just accept war propaganda at face value.

I get that. It works against you.

I have no idea if it is correct or not. It is what has been reported.

I want to know who gathered that information and how they got those numbers.

Wouldn't we all.

Just like I was told I could keep my doctor by the press.

I can't find that information anywhere.

You are a fool if you think you ever will.

Your best bet might be amnesty international. But they tend to document small activity on a real detailed basis.

I think knowing the factual truth is important since this is a very serious accusation.

I think you worrying about the actual number is hysterical. You'll never know it. Nobody will.

36,500 or more....or less....it does not matter.

This regime has openly killed it's citizens in response to protests.

Now they are executing young people who won't back down.

But it's a SMALL NUMBER......wondering if that doesn't bother you.

I recommend you work on your critical reading and critical thinking skills.

In what world do you think you are in a position to "recommend" anything to me? You are a nobody. You present nothing. And like a good little moron, you whine and cry when people don't line up with your superior mode of thought.

You asked where I got the numbers and I provided them for you. That you don't like them isn't my issue.

Critical thinking starts with good information. We don't get that. We get what we get.

You can't say they are wrong. You were not there. You can use secondary means to question them. And then someone uses secondary means to question you.

Wake up.

Otherwise you can sit at home with your bong and "critical thinking" while more die in Iran.

Have a day.

 

[citygator]

So Iran is pushing this cartoon narrative of the Iranian-Trump War in order to troll Trump. Looks like Iran understands how Trump functions.

 

[citygator]

Oh my.

He has no idea.

 

[kyzr]

No, you don't control the sky. You can't prevent delivery of important cargo from Caspian coast to launch positions.

Maybe you haven't been watching us destroy all the various vehicles in Iran?

Modern history of America proves quite opposite. You are pragmatic guys and when you see that potential losses are more significant than potential incomes - you quite and try to minimise damage. Same is your official position in nuclear posture. That's the position of "Coercers".
But probe to agree with the group of "eliminators". We agree with you. You won't alleviate and therefore you (at least your nuclear forces) should be eliminated. Russia will pay significant, may be, even terrible price, but if the war is inevitable it's much better to strike first.

I hope Russia isn't dumb enough to launch a 1st strike. I think we just showed that we can shoot down ICBMs from the two missiles Iran launched at Diego Garcia. If we shoot down your 1st strike do we still launch, or just snicker a little?

Actually, it's you. You believe that Iran will surrender (and Russia+China alleviate) before nukes (or more nukes) are used.

Russia and China won't get involved, and yes Iran would surrender before total destruction. Maybe you missed that threatening their powerplants got them negotiating? Problem is that they don't have an official leader, just "messages" from him.

If Iran nukes one Israel military base, Israel (and the USA) face the choice -
1) accept Iran's peaceful proposals, don't retaliate and surrender;
2) try to nuke Iran's military bases and play Limited Nuclear war with tactical nukes. Given that Iran (and Russia+China) have more nukes and military bases - Iran is going to win.
3) don't play counter-force games and try counter-value strike against Iranian cities. If you try counter-value strike without counter-force preparations - Iranian retaliation against Israel and American cities will be devastating.

I don't believe Iran would target just an Israeli military base, they would obviously go for the maximum body count.
If Iran nuked a few Israeli cities, which is doubtful since most missiles get stopped by the "Iron Dome", Israel would retaliate with their arsenal of about 300? nukes. After that the war would be over.

Most of those 3,500 US warheads are in storage. Some are in bases (and to be eliminated by the first Russian/Chinese/Iranian strike). You hardly have one thousand nukes on alert, Iran has 1250 cities and most of those cities need more than one nuke to be destroyed. Iran has 25% of rustic population and even in totally destroyed city, if population is prepared, evacuated and sheltered significant part of it (may be more than 75% of urban population) will survive.
So, if they are shooting first, and they are prepared - you'll kill no more than 10-20 mln of Iranians.
What is even more important - if you are launching all you have, Russia and China will kill you without your retaliation at all.

Your 1st strike gets shot down, like the ICBMs that went to Diego Garcia. Then what?

They are not scientists, they are pseudo-scientific freaks. And even they don't say about "end of civilisation". They say about affected agriculture. And trust me, decrease of fertilizers supply (which you are going to have if this conflict continues on the current level) will affect agriculture more seriously than a year without summer (like 1816).

Lets not have a nuclear war to find out how bad the "nuclear winter" would be.
1816 was a horrible year for everyone.
Fertilizer supply should be fine if Hormuz is reopened soon.
Besides, US farmers can just plant crops that need less or no fertilizer.

Wishful thinking. Russia doesn't see Ukrainian conflict and Iranian conflict as two separate wars. It's the same indirect war with the USA, just with different proxies. And if there is a possibility to hurt America's allies more painfully than in Ukraine (and earn some additional money) Russia is going to use it.

Yep, Putin got a little extra cash from the Iran war, but the sanctions will be back in place shortly.

More you wait - more Iranians are convinced that they should get in "nuclear terror business".

Nope. Trump's most important demand is that Iran forego all nuclear weapons development.
How he guarantees that limitation remains to be seen.
Are you aware that Trump is holding Iran's powerplants hostage? That is a lot of leverage.

 

[kyzr]

So Iran is pushing this cartoon narrative of the Iranian-Trump War in order to troll Trump. Looks like Iran understands how Trump functions.

Democrats rooting for Iran. No wonder they are at 18% approval.

 

[Kruska]

This is just the latest example of how Trump is incapable of standard threat assessment, or the fundamental practice of measuring costs vs. rewards.

So now he's saying Iran is dead. He has clearly been mentally ill for a long time, but he may be over the edge now. Somebody had better do something soon. There are available legal avenues here.

What else would TACO be able to state (lie)? - since he want's to get out of his own created mess as fast as possible.
According to Axios - he even forwarded to Iran, that in the future Iranian and US naval assets should jointly patrol and assure the safety of the Hormuz Strait. At the same time Tehran denies vehemently, that there are any discussions at all.

So far TACO has pulled always the same stunt with Iran - whilst having negotiations with Iran - strike Iran. So I wouldn't be surprised if he just wants to lull the Iranians in further discussions, to then pull off some amphibious landing. Which then provides a far better excuse for him to pull out - then just having ordered airstrikes against Iran.

 

[kyzr]

Oh my. He has no idea.

LIAR. #1, #2, and #3 are Iran will not have a nuclear weapon.

Beats the pi$$ out of the democrat's "don't" doesn't it?

 

[citygator]

Democrats rooting for Iran. No wonder they are at 18% approval.

ky-jelly rooting for dead Americans. No wonder Trump and maga approval is the lowest in history.

 

[Chuz Life]

"They", being, our entire national intelligence apparatus.

Your cult says they are wrong and the rapist charity thief is right.

Because you're in a cult.

LoL,

Maybe you haven't been watching us destroy all the various vehicles in Iran?

I hope Russia isn't dumb enough to launch a 1st strike. I think we just showed that we can shoot down ICBMs from the two missiles Iran launched at Diego Garcia. If we shoot down your 1st strike do we still launch, or just snicker a little?

Russia and China won't get involved, and yes Iran would surrender before total destruction. Maybe you missed that threatening their powerplants got them negotiating? Problem is that they don't have an official leader, just "messages" from him.

I don't believe Iran would target just an Israeli military base, they would obviously go for the maximum body count.
If Iran nuked a few Israeli cities, which is doubtful since most missiles get stopped by the "Iron Dome", Israel would retaliate with their arsenal of about 300? nukes. After that the war would be over.

Your 1st strike gets shot down, like the ICBMs that went to Diego Garcia. Then what?

Lets not have a nuclear war to find out how bad the "nuclear winter" would be.
1816 was a horrible year for everyone.
Fertilizer supply should be fine if Hormuz is reopened soon.
Besides, US farmers can just plant crops that need less or no fertilizer.

Yep, Putin got a little extra cash from the Iran war, but the sanctions will be back in place shortly.

Nope. Trump's most important demand is that Iran forego all nuclear weapons development.
How he guarantees that limitation remains to be seen.
Are you aware that Trump is holding Iran's powerplants hostage? That is a lot of leverage.

Can you also sense how much the leftardz actually are wanting for Russia or China to escalate?

They actually hate Trump that much.

So much so that they are willing to encourage more loss of American lives, just for a chance to see Trump defeated.

They HATE us.

 

[Mac1958]

What else would TACO be able to state (lie)? - since he want's to get out of his own created mess as fast as possible.
According to Axios - he even forwarded to Iran, that in the future Iranian and US naval assets should jointly patrol and assure the safety of the Hormuz Strait. At the same time Tehran denies vehemently, that there are any discussions at all.

So far TACO has pulled always the same stunt with Iran - whilst having negotiations with Iran - strike Iran. So I wouldn't be surprised if he just wants to lull the Iranians in further discussions, to then pull off some amphibious landing. Which then provides a far better excuse for him to pull out - then just having ordered airstrikes against Iran.

Yeah, there's no way to know what he's doing from one moment to the next. He doesn't know either, of course. How many completely conflicting statements has he already made on this war?

Almost every action he takes in almost every situation is the action of a child.

 

[MisterBeale]

War On Iran: Trump Chickens Out – Who Lobbied For War – The Energy Dominance Aim – Moon of Alabama

www.moonofalabama.org

 

[MisterBeale]

Iran Says Talks With US Are 'Fake News' After Trump Threatens To 'Just Keep Bombing', Wants Hormuz To Be 'Jointly Controlled'<!-- --> | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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[BackAgain]

War On Iran: Trump Chickens Out – Who Lobbied For War – The Energy Dominance Aim – Moon of Alabama

www.moonofalabama.org

I can’t help but notice that you choose to couch any change of mind by Trump as “chickening out.”

Kind of stupid.