Trump to end LGBTQ crisis hotline… why?

[struth]

I don’t know what you think you’re reading but I was calling you out for performing and acting like a fool. Nowhere did I suggest I was acting like a fool. You have some serious reading comprehension problems

You admitted to being a fool because your repeated lies were exposed

 

[skews13]

It should not be paid for with public money.

Actually it should.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Thanks for your opinion… yawn. Can we get back to the subject or are you just going to troll today?

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Says the OP who has just had at least three posts deleted for trolling, inflammatory language and/or being off topic.


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[Seymour Flops]

Those stats aren’t available.

Because the obvious answer is that no, there were not a rash of suicides by trans kids in the era of zero acceptance of kids being medically and surgically altered for purposes of "affirming" their gender, even though there was no "Trans Hotline."

Gender Dysphoria is strongly correlated with depression, so people experiencing it may have committed suicide. But they would have needed a depression hotline, or a general suicide hotline.

You don't help a person with body dysmorphia by telling them that

Yes, your body is wrong, wrong, WRONG. You problems can only be solved by changing your body. If you, at 105 pounds, identify as far too fat, morbidly obese, in fact, then you are too fat. Spend more time in the sauna and eat only lettuce and cottage cheese until your body affirms your vision for it.

Do you understand that that would be the wrong thing to say on a body dysmorphia hotline? Can you explain why? Try to put it into words, just in your mind.

Then - plug in Gender dysphoria for Body Dysmorphia and hormones and surgery for diet and sauna, and you may come to a better conclusion than you have come to by listening to left-wing media.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Just the Option 3 doesn’t cost 33million. Pushing a button and having it forward to a call center is a nominal cost. The funding supported the efforts around who the calls were directed to

Slade you have stuck with your arguments against overwhelming numbers of debaters and (in my opinion) overwhelming logic. Even though I disagree, I give you props for that.

I'll agree with you that the purpose of ending option 3 was not to save money.

If you’re going to make that claim can you back it up with any proof?

My claim that counselors would encourage "trans kids" to pursue "gender affirming care" is an assumption. But it is a very valid one, based on the fact that the left is pushing that option and only that option. No Democrat, or "not Democrat" has ever come out and said that kids with Gender Dysphoria should be encouraged to accept their bodies as they are. Why would they do that, only to be accused by members of their own party of "bullying transkids?"

If you only listened to Democrats and "not Democrats" you would think that hormones and surgery are the only options.

So, yes. It is an assumption, but a very fair assumption that most if not all of the "counselors" on this LGBT-Q++ would indeed tell kids to work around their parents to find a way to start the hormone treatment before puberty reduces their chances of "passing?"

Also if that was the case then Trump could restaff and have operators utilize better support tactics. He didn’t do that

If he had done that, there would be an emotionally overwrought thread about how Trump is replacing dedicated and trained LGBT-Q-++ counsellors with Christian Right bullies.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Slade3200 doesn’t it seem easier for you libs to just stop manufacturing unconventional fucked in the head kids who want to commit suicide?

 

[Nostra]

FAIL
provide a link

The fail is in your part. Can’t manage simple math.

How sad.

 

[Nostra]

There is 31 pages of numerous people calling you out for your foolishness

None of his threads age well. None.

 

[Nostra]

Actually it should.

Why?

Cite the clause in the Constitution saying others have to pay for mental health of some nutjob who thinks he is a woman.

 

[ThisIsMe]

A fair standard.

But is there any doubt that most if not all of the "counselors" on this LGBT-Q++ would indeed tell kids to work around their parents to find a way to start the hormone treatment before puberty reduces their chances of "passing?"

Any councelor who tries to get a kid to take any kind of pill, or shot and tells them to not tell their parents need to be fired.

 

[ThisIsMe]

These are the concerns and my question is why? What is cutting it doing that is improving the situation?

The "Press 3" option on the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline was a dedicated pathway for LGBTQ+ youth and young adults (under 25) to connect with trained counselors specializing in identity-affirming mental health support. The removal of this option, planned for July 17, 2025, has raised concerns about several potential losses:
Tailored Support: Losing "Press 3" means the removal of specialized, identity-affirming support that was specifically designed for the unique challenges faced by LGBTQ+ young people. Critics warn that this could lead to increased suicide risk within this community.
Trust and Access: Advocacy groups like the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP) and The Trevor Project emphasize that losing this dedicated service could cause LGBTQ+ youth to lose trust in the lifeline and become less likely to seek help.
Experienced Counselors: While the general 988 Lifeline will remain open and offer culturally competent care, the elimination of "Press 3" means losing access to counselors with specific training and expertise in LGBTQ+ issues.
Life-Saving Services: The "Press 3" option has provided life-saving services to over 1.3 million LGBTQ+ young people since its establishment in 2022. Removing it is seen as a significant loss of critical support.
Increased Mental Health Consequences: There are concerns that disbanding this specialized service could result in increased preventable suicides, hospitalizations, and greater mental health consequences for LGBTQ+ youth and their families.

Ok, so...how about they keep the line open, but just don't try to influence kids behind their parents backs. Sound good?

 

[rightwinger]

The fail is in your part. Can’t manage simple math.

How sad.

Link

 

[ThisIsMe]

My response to that is if the Trump admin or HHS didn’t approve of the counseling methods being used ( and I’ll even go with their claims even though I don’t trust a word that Trump or his people say) then they could have restarted or retrained them on how to best handled kids in crisis suffering with identity issues. But just cutting the option they are doing nothing to better help these people who are reaching out.

I’ve sent you what the people who are fielding these calls have to say about it. What’s your reaction to their sentiments?

The people who field those calls were the ones who, allegedly, were trying to influence the kids without parental knowledge. So yeah, im sure they would say it was all good. They are not objective.

 

[Nostra]

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These are the concerns and my question is why? What is cutting it doing that is improving the situation?

The "Press 3" option on the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline was a dedicated pathway for LGBTQ+ youth and young adults (under 25) to connect with trained counselors specializing in identity-affirming mental health support. The removal of this option, planned for July 17, 2025, has raised concerns about several potential losses:
Tailored Support: Losing "Press 3" means the removal of specialized, identity-affirming support that was specifically designed for the unique challenges...

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[BackAgain]

I don’t feel the need to lie. If I misinterpreted your comment then feel free to correct the record. When you said that hotlines can exist without government funding it sounded to me like you did not support the government funding one. Was that wrong? Do you support the government funding one… 988 specifically?

The record was fine before you did lie.

 

[Slade3200]

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Says the OP who has just had at least three posts deleted for trolling, inflammatory language and/or being off topic.


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Is that what happened?

 

[Slade3200]

Because the obvious answer is that no, there were not a rash of suicides by trans kids in the era of zero acceptance of kids being medically and surgically altered for purposes of "affirming" their gender, even though there was no "Trans Hotline."

Gender Dysphoria is strongly correlated with depression, so people experiencing it may have committed suicide. But they would have needed a depression hotline, or a general suicide hotline.

You don't help a person with body dysmorphia by telling them that

Yes, your body is wrong, wrong, WRONG. You problems can only be solved by changing your body. If you, at 105 pounds, identify as far too fat, morbidly obese, in fact, then you are too fat. Spend more time in the sauna and eat only lettuce and cottage cheese until your body affirms your vision for it.

Do you understand that that would be the wrong thing to say on a body dysmorphia hotline? Can you explain why? Try to put it into words, just in your mind.

Then - plug in Gender dysphoria for Body Dysmorphia and hormones and surgery for diet and sauna, and you may come to a better conclusion than you have come to by listening to left-wing media.

I can’t imagine anybody on that hotline was telling kids what you posted. If they were can you provide evidence of it?

If what you wrote was said to a kid then I would agree with you that it’s not an effective way to offer help.

I’ll go back to the point I’ve been trying to make. If the operators were fielding calls ina way that HHS thought ineffective or damaging then they had an opportunity to fix it and do better. There was a direct audience of 2000+ kids a day calling in for help for LGBTQ issues that Trump is now snubbing instead of extending support.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I can’t imagine anybody on that hotline was telling kids what you posted. If they were can you provide evidence of it?

I don't have any recordings of Option 3 counselors talking to kids. So, I'm making an assumption. What I assume they said was what Democrats, "not Democrats," the media, and of course the transgenderization industry has been saying and continues to say.

What do you assume those Option 3 counselors told kids?

I’ll go back to the pint I’ve been repeating. If the operators were fielding calls ina way that HHS thought ineffective or damaging then they had an opportunity to fix it and do better.

And, as I will repeat, if they did that, the same Democrats and "not Democrats" who are upset about the option being taken off would be screaming louder that kids will call and be bullied.

You understand that your side in this believes that telling kids the truth, i.e. "no, you're not a girl, you are a boy," is bullying?

There was a direct audience of 2000+ kids a day calling in for help for LGBTQ issues that Trump is now snubbing instead of extending support.

Tell me what you think they were telling 2000+ kids a day, and how you believe that was help?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I can’t imagine anybody on that hotline was telling kids what you posted. If they were can you provide evidence of it?

If what you wrote was said to a kid then I would agree with you that it’s not an effective way to offer help.

I’ll go back to the point I’ve been trying to make. If the operators were fielding calls ina way that HHS thought ineffective or damaging then they had an opportunity to fix it and do better. There was a direct audience of 2000+ kids a day calling in for help for LGBTQ issues that Trump is now snubbing instead of extending support.

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So, the fact that you can't imagine it means nothing except in your own mind.




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[Slade3200]

My claim that counselors would encourage "trans kids" to pursue "gender affirming care" is an assumption. But it is a very valid one, based on the fact that the left is pushing that option and only that option. No Democrat, or "not Democrat" has ever come out and said that kids with Gender Dysphoria should be encouraged to accept their bodies as they are. Why would they do that, only to be accused by members of their own party of "bullying transkids?"

It sounds to me like you are assuming that political arguments are being used by mental health care professionals to groom kids. You sound like an intelligent person. Are you aware that common practice for psychiatrists and mental healthcare professionals isn’t to state opinions or even give advice. It is to asses issues, ask question, and provide tools for the patient to better handle their struggles and emotions.

The purpose for operators on suicide hotlines is to deescalate crisis situations. Perhaps that does entail building a connection with a person and making them feel understood. Maybe telling that person that how they feel is wrong and perverted and immoral isn’t the best way to handle a crisis call.

This whole thing reeks of politics and not of what it should be about… concern for kids in crisis and outreach to provide the best possible care