Trump to end LGBTQ crisis hotline… why?

[Slade3200]

But who decides what that best possible care looks like? Who, if not our elected leadership?

Health care professionals… in this case it would be lead by HSS. Issue here is Trump is steamrolling the entire government with DOGE and anti woke/DEI efforts trying to make political statements and headlines. So when they see anything that looks sympathetic to the “left” or something Biden set up he is squashing it. This one here is messing with suicidal kids and lacks any back up to claims of operators being inappropriate and lacks any proactive efforts to provide better care. so to me it makes it extra disgusting

 

[Slade3200]

More so than to lie to them.

It isn't about what I "think" is the truth, it is about the truth.

Sometimes it’s just about listening and comforting and making the person feel like they aren’t alone. Especially if they are the verge of killing themselves. Can you understand that?

 

[Slade3200]

I don't care who they love, and I don't care how they identify. So long as we do not tell a gay youth that if he has sex with a boy, that boy becomes a girl. Nor should we tell a young male that if he thinks he is a girl, he is a girl.

Because that is a lie. Not opinion, that is fact.

Again, you’re assuming that these crisis operators were telling kids that. The notion that they would say that really is laughable. Trained Health care operators are not the left wing activists you hear on MSNBC

 

[Slade3200]

But if he calls and says he is Napolean and will commit suicide because his parents won't take a mortgage on their house to give him money to invade Russia, should the counselor tell him "if you identify as Napolean, you are Napolean. So if your parents won't fund it, start a gofundme, Emporer Napolean."

No, they should tell the child that he is not experiencing reality, and needs treatment to help him get back in touch with it.

A trained counselor wouldn’t tell the kid anything about who they are or what they should do. They let the kid talk and get to the root of what really making them feel in crisis. Help them calm down and better understand why they are feeling so upset. Give them tools and resources to help deal

Have you ever been to counseling ?

 

[BackAgain]

Then don’t deal with me…

Don’t worry yourself about it. I don’t need or want the advice of a liar such as you.

especially if you can’t answer simple questions.

You misspelled “bullshit questions.”

If you can’t be direct and straight forward about what you think and then are going to act like a Karen snowflake when people misinterpret your statements then you’re just wasting time.

You lied. We all know it. Asshole shitbags like you often falsely claim that I (and others) said something but cry like little bitches when you get exposed for having lied.

You don’t care about the lie. You just resent being exposed for it.

I don’t even think I misinterpreted you.

You didn’t. You simply lied. Not at all a misinterpretation.

I think

Another lie.

you came in against the gov paying for this hotline then found out Trump started it and now you’re in a position to defend Trump or stick to your real feelings about gov spending. Explains why you won’t engage.

You can’t read or comprehend. But mainly , you flat out lied. And you’re still doing it.

Gfy.

 

[Slade3200]

You lied. We all know it. Asshole shitbags like you often falsely claim that I (and others) said something but cry like little bitches when you get exposed for having lied.

You don’t care about the lie. You just resent being exposed for it.

You didn’t expose shit. You asked for a quote and I gave one. You said that hotlines didn’t need gov funding. I told you that sounded to me like you were not supportive of gov funding hotlines and that if that’s not what you meant feel free to clarify. You’ve been dodging ever since… the snowflake has taken over your brain. Thaw it out

 

[BackAgain]

You didn’t expose shit.

Yeah I exposed your lie. And your denial of that immutable fact is simply another lie from you.

How totally expected.

You asked for a quote and I gave one.

I asked for a quote supporting what you dishonestly claimed. And of course your response fell a whole lot short. That’s because you lied.

You said that hotlines didn’t need gov funding. I told you that sounded to me like you were not supportive of gov funding hotlines and that if that’s not what you meant feel free to clarify. You’ve been dodging ever since… the snowflake has taken over your brain. Thaw it out

You’re doubling and tripling down on your lying. It’s what you liars do.

Newsflash, you hack. I posted what I “said.” No intepretarion by you is needed and it’s right there to this very moment exposing your dishonesty.

You can’t read continue to spin like a top. But it still won’t help you. Your lie was exposed by my easy question and your bogus effort to cover up your lie.

You’re an ongoing fail.

 

[Slade3200]

Seymour Flops believe it or not I’ve enjoyed our back and forth. I’m not here looking for an echo chamber so I enjoy a good debate with opposing opinions. I do have one afterthought/question for you.

We’ve both established that neither of us know what these operators were actually saying to the kids on the hotline. You’re assuming they were being inappropriate and that’s why Trump made this move. If in reality they were not grooming or advising these kids to go behind their parents back, and if my assumptions are correct that this was simply a stick it to the libs political move by Trump… would you agree that in that case it would be a disgusting move that should be called out and shamed?

 

[Slade3200]

Yeah I exposed your lie. And your denial of that immutable fact is simply another lie from you.

How totally expected.

I asked for a quote supporting what you dishonestly claimed. And of course your response fell a whole lot short. That’s because you lied.

You’re doubling and tripling down on your lying. It’s what you liars do.

Newsflash, you hack. I posted what I “said.” No intepretarion by you is needed and it’s right there to this very moment exposing your dishonesty.

You can’t read continue to spin like a top. But it still won’t help you. Your lie was exposed by my easy question and your bogus effort to cover up your lie.

You’re an ongoing fail.

Dude, this thread ain’t about your butthurt. Get over it your whining is gong to give you menstrual cramps. You didn’t know Trump started this thing. You got schooled now all you have is attack and call me a liar. I get it. Now go take a nap or something. Your whining is boring

 

[BackAgain]

Dude, this thread ain’t about your butthurt.

You’re making it all about your butthurt, ya fraud.

Look. It’s simple. You lied and got exposed. And you’ve been tripping over yourself to extricate yourself from your own shit.

Here’s a helpful recommendation for liars like you. If you’re that easily frazzled for being exposed as the liar you are, there is an easy remedy: stop lying.

 

[Slade3200]

You’re making it all about your butthurt, ya fraud.

Look. It’s simple. You lied and got exposed. And you’ve been tripping over yourself to extricate yourself from your own shit.

Here’s a helpful recommendation for liars like you. If you’re that easily frazzled for being exposed as the liar you are, there is an easy remedy: stop lying.

Hahaha, can’t come up with anything original so go with rubber and glue tactic. How very grade school of you. I hope you feel better now. You can piss off since you obviously aren’t interested in engaging in the topic.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Again, you’re assuming that these crisis operators were telling kids that. The notion that they would say that really is laughable. Trained Health care operators are not the left wing activists you hear on MSNBC

Then why not have them give advice to everyone, not just LGBT-Q++?

Seymour Flops believe it or not I’ve enjoyed our back and forth. I’m not here looking for an echo chamber so I enjoy a good debate with opposing opinions. I do have one afterthought/question for you.

We’ve both established that neither of us know what these operators were actually saying to the kids on the hotline. You’re assuming they were being inappropriate and that’s why Trump made this move. If in reality they were not grooming or advising these kids to go behind their parents back, and if my assumptions are correct that this was simply a stick it to the libs political move by Trump… would you agree that in that case it would be a disgusting move that should be called out and shamed?

No, of course not.

Why would it be disgusting and shameful to not single out one group for crises hotline services?

If - and it is a BIG "if" - these option 3 answerers were non-agendized, professional counselors, not lightly educated activists volunteering to push their agenda, then they more than anyone should be glad that the crises line is more inclusive.

Are they really going to roll their eyes if a caller says they are alcoholic, drug addicted, porn addicted, depressed over loss of a job, or marriage? Are they going to pout about not being allowed to deal exclusively with LGBT-Q?

Not if they are such professionals. They will be happy to serve the entire community, not one narrow segment of it.

 

[BackAgain]

Hahaha, can’t come up with anything original so go with rubber and glue tactic. How very grade school of you. I hope you feel better now. You can piss off since you obviously aren’t interested in engaging in the topic.

Wow. You’re not just scraping bottom. You’re digging and blasting to go even lower.

Once again: you lied. You got exposed. And you have nobody to blame but you.

Take two Midol and have a nice warm bath with bubbles and then have a god cry.

 

[Slade3200]

Then why not have them give advice to everyone, not just LGBT-Q++?

That’s how the hotline was set up. For everyone. Still is. Because of the high volume of vet and LGbTQ groups that had specialized issues they decided to give additional outlets to better handle the volume and better serve their needs. That’s why there is a dedicated line for vets and an option for LGBtQ

 

[Slade3200]

Then why not have them give advice to everyone, not just LGBT-Q++?


No, of course not.

Why would it be disgusting and shameful to not single out one group for crises hotline services?

If - and it is a BIG "if" - these option 3 answerers were non-agendized, professional counselors, not lightly educated activists volunteering to push their agenda, then they more than anyone should be glad that the crises line is more inclusive.

Are they really going to roll their eyes if a caller says they are alcoholic, drug addicted, porn addicted, depressed over loss of a job, or marriage? Are they going to pout about not being allowed to deal exclusively with LGBT-Q?

Not if they are such professionals. They will be happy to serve the entire community, not one narrow segment of it.

Should we integrate the vet operators trained in PTSD etc to do the same? Better serve everybody and not single out a segment?

 

[Scoutster]

There are much bigger problems in the world than the alphabet people!

 

[Seymour Flops]

That’s how the hotline was set up. For everyone. Still is. Because of the high volume of vet and LGbTQ groups that had specialized issues they decided to give additional outlets to better handle the volume and better serve their needs. That’s why there is a dedicated line for vets and an option for LGBtQ

Should we integrate the vet operators trained in PTSD etc to do the same? Better serve everybody and not single out a segment?

I have to strongly disagree with the comparison to vets.

We have a vital national interest in keeping our armed forces strong and well-staffed. Providing counselling services to veterans, helps keep potential recruits from thinking they should not join becuase they will be ignored after their time in service.

There is also obligation on the part of the country, as veterans are often in need of such services specifially due to having served in our armed forces. This is something that they are actually entitled to (and more), whereas the sense if entitlement felt by the LGBT-Q++ community is entirely self-generated.

The veteran's hotline is run by the Department of Veterans Affairs, which is a cabinet level agency. There is no such federal agency that serves LGBT-Q++, though I have no doubt many Democrats and "not Democrats" would like to see one.

None of this is to say that I don't believe there should be a hotline for LGBT-Q++ people in crises. I think the various advocacy groups should run more than one of them. I won't have to worry about whether they are agendized. I would assume that they are, as is their right to be.

Many LGBT-Q folk are Democrats (or "not Democrats"). As such, they view any disagreement as hostility, and would be offended and probably hang up if the caller were not agendized - to match their own agenda.

Nothing wrong with LGBT hotline per se, but it should not be the only choice in a tax-funded hotline besides staying on the line for "all other." If we give a special line for LGBT-Q++ why not a special line for problem gamblers, recent divorcees, recent widows, jobless, homeless, abused spouses, abusers who want help, agoraphobics, etc?

Why not?

Because you would have to go to three or four digits to list all possible reasons to call a crises hotline, and that would cause long waits to listen to the menu. The reason LGBT-Q++ got its own line is that they are the current Democrat and "not Democrat" political flavor of the time. I'm only surprised they did not put an Option 4, for illegal immigrants.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Answer. I don’t manufacture societal decay. I see people like you as societal decay. Why do you keep pumping that crap out into our world?

Hold on…so you honestly believe that nationalistic traditionalists like myself have manufactured homosexual suicidal purple hair nose-ringer freaks?

 

[GLASNOST]

I understand debate about trans in sports and locker rooms etc. but why in the world would anybody end a crisis hotline that receives over 2000 calls a day? These are youth who are suicidal and in crisis ....

Well, in times of crisis people generally think twice about their fundamental convictions, ie. transgender hysteria. STOP turning boys into girls and girls into boys!

 

[Slade3200]

I have to strongly disagree with the comparison to vets.

We have a vital national interest in keeping our armed forces strong and well-staffed. Providing counselling services to veterans, helps keep potential recruits from thinking they should not join becuase they will be ignored after their time in service.

There is also obligation on the part of the country, as veterans are often in need of such services specifially due to having served in our armed forces. This is something that they are actually entitled to (and more), whereas the sense if entitlement felt by the LGBT-Q++ community is entirely self-generated.

The veteran's hotline is run by the Department of Veterans Affairs, which is a cabinet level agency. There is no such federal agency that serves LGBT-Q++, though I have no doubt many Democrats and "not Democrats" would like to see one.

None of this is to say that I don't believe there should be a hotline for LGBT-Q++ people in crises. I think the various advocacy groups should run more than one of them. I won't have to worry about whether they are agendized. I would assume that they are, as is their right to be.

Many LGBT-Q folk are Democrats (or "not Democrats"). As such, they view any disagreement as hostility, and would be offended and probably hang up if the caller were not agendized - to match their own agenda.

Nothing wrong with LGBT hotline per se, but it should not be the only choice in a tax-funded hotline besides staying on the line for "all other." If we give a special line for LGBT-Q++ why not a special line for problem gamblers, recent divorcees, recent widows, jobless, homeless, abused spouses, abusers who want help, agoraphobics, etc?

Why not?

Because you would have to go to three or four digits to list all possible reasons to call a crises hotline, and that would cause long waits to listen to the menu. The reason LGBT-Q++ got its own line is that they are the current Democrat and "not Democrat" political flavor of the time. I'm only surprised they did not put an Option 4, for illegal immigrants.

Your argument for vets is admirable. I see your points as something that emphasis what I’ve been trying to say. Specialized care is more effective. Giving vets a specialized line with trained counselors to address their issues is a better way to help them. I agree that they deserve it.

The fact that you advocate for them to have that line says that if we were to do to them what Trump just did to the LGBtQ line, it would be a reduction of service. So we should be able to admit that it is a reduction of services for LGBtQ and squash the argument that it’s the same service, they can just call the main hotline.

I also don’t understand the cabinet level agency argument. Yes veteran affairs is cabinet level and a well justified agency. But so is HHS and HHS should have a mission to provide the best possible care for everybody. filtering volume on a crisis hotline to trained counselors was a way to get the high volume LGBtQ calls to more specialized trained counselors that benefits the operators and people in crisis on both sides. It gives the general line less of a load, less transfers, less hold times, less mismatching, so the general calls are better served as well.

I think you get that… especially if you replace the LGBtQ with vets. You defended the vets right away at the suggestion because you knew it would affect the service provided to them. The difference here is you support vets and you have a chip against LGBtQ. Forget about the identity stuff. Giving the best possible care to help the most possible people should be the goal. That’s not what Trump's move is trying to do