Trump to end LGBTQ crisis hotline… why?

[Slade3200]

If he had done that, there would be an emotionally overwrought thread about how Trump is replacing dedicated and trained LGBT-Q-++ counsellors with Christian Right bullies.

That to me is a better debate to have than to defending cuts and inaction in regard to kids in crisis.

 

[Slade3200]

Slade3200 doesn’t it seem easier for you libs to just stop manufacturing unconventional fucked in the head kids who want to commit suicide?

Is that a serious question or are you just trying to show off your douchebagery again?

 

[Slade3200]

Any councelor who tries to get a kid to take any kind of pill, or shot and tells them to not tell their parents need to be fired.

Agreed. Can you show that that was the practice from 988 operators in this case?

 

[Slade3200]

Ok, so...how about they keep the line open, but just don't try to influence kids behind their parents backs. Sound good?

Of course. If counselors on a crisis hotline were actually trying to groom kids to take hormones behind their parents back then of course I’d oppose it. I just don’t think that’s the practice. I think operators dealing with kids in crisis are trying to deescalate to prevent a suicide and get them resources to find professional help in their communities.

 

[Slade3200]

The people who field those calls were the ones who, allegedly, were trying to influence the kids without parental knowledge. So yeah, im sure they would say it was all good. They are not objective.

I have seen zero evidence that operators were doing what you claim. I don’t trust Trumps PR people as far as I can throw them so gonna have to see where these claims are coming from. It certainly isn’t common practice for crisis counselors

 

[Slade3200]

The record was fine before you did lie.

You didn’t answer my question. Do you support the government funding a suicide hotline

 

[Slade3200]

What do you assume those Option 3 counselors told kids?

I’d assume they tried to calm them down. Listen to their concerns. Asses the seriousness of the situation, and provide them with contact information for mental health care in the community that they live in.

Yes, sometimes people feel hopeless and alone and need somebody to talk to that they feel understands their plight. I would not think it appropriate for an operator to tell a kid in crisis that they are sick, perverted, immoral…. Nor would I expect them to tell them to go take hormones behind their behind their parents backs. I honestly can’t see them doing either. But if you or anybody else is claiming they did. Show some evidence

 

[sartre play]

IF we focus on the smaller things people LIKE to fight about.
We never have time to focus on the big stuff that takes up a lot of time & energy.

 

[Eman623]

Mental health hotlines exist and are appropriate for these circumstances.

The 988 suicide hotline program will still be federally funded with $500 million. There just won't be a special option 3 for LGTQPWIAQWERTYOP+/#~{} folks.

 

[Slade3200]

You understand that your side in this believes that telling kids the truth, i.e. "no, you're not a girl, you are a boy," is bullying?

Do you really think the best way to respond to a kid in crisis, suicidal, is to tell them what you think is the truth?

Your version of truth and how you think people should identify and love is what’s being pushed on them to cause them to feel misunderstood, isolated, alone, depressed.

That kind of response to a kid in crisis sounds to me like it would push them over the edge. Do you disagree?

 

[Slade3200]

Tell me what you think they were telling 2000+ kids a day, and how you believe that was help?

I honestly don’t know. My hope is that they would listen. Respond with compassion and in a way to calm the emotions. Then provide them with tools and resources to help address their issues. The $33m initiative was geared to train people how to respond. So I’m sure there is a plenty of tactics the psychiatric community has built on how to address these issues.

 

[Slade3200]

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So, the fact that you can't imagine it means nothing except in your own mind.
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It’s an expression lady… please do better to make substantive posts. Express ideas opinion or counterpoints to the topic. Your little nippy attempts to personally attack are simply a waste of time

 

[BackAgain]

You didn’t answer my question. Do you support the government funding a suicide hotline

I don’t like to deal with folks like you who lie so much.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Is that a serious question or are you just trying to show off your douchebagery again?

I’m dead serious…Why do you Libs continuously manufacture societal decay and degradation and then expect others to fix the problem you created?

 

[Seymour Flops]

It sounds to me like you are assuming that political arguments are being used by mental health care professionals to groom kids. You sound like an intelligent person. Are you aware that common practice for psychiatrists and mental healthcare professionals isn’t to state opinions or even give advice. It is to asses issues, ask question, and provide tools for the patient to better handle their struggles and emotions.

Then I doubt seriously that the Option 3 operators were following those guidelines. If they were, they still can, of course. But they won't be limited to trans kids, which is a good think, if they are so good at their jobs.

The purpose for operators on suicide hotlines is to deescalate crisis situations. Perhaps that does entail building a connection with a person and making them feel understood. Maybe telling that person that how they feel is wrong and perverted and immoral isn’t the best way to handle a crisis call.

I'm not advocating any kind of judgement, just the truth: Any kid who is confused sexually - as all kids are at one time or another - should be told these truths:

1) their body is fine, and is not "wrong." In other words, they should not be told that they were "born in the wrong body," and certainly not "misidentified at birth." As if some random voice on the phone knows more than the OB/GYN that delivered the child.

Nor are they too fat, too skinny, too white or brown, too freckled, or too tall or too short.

2) everyone goes through sexual confusion as they develop their sexual awareness moving into adulthood. Confusion is normal, not a sign of any mental illness, or "wrong" body.

3) Their confusion is likely temporary, but any kind of medical treatment would be a permanent solution to a temporary problem - as is suicide itself.

This whole thing reeks of politics and not of what it should be about… concern for kids in crisis and outreach to provide the best possible care

But who decides what that best possible care looks like? Who, if not our elected leadership?

 

[Slade3200]

I don’t like to deal with folks like you who lie so much.

Then don’t deal with me… especially if you can’t answer simple questions. If you can’t be direct and straight forward about what you think and then are going to act like a Karen snowflake when people misinterpret your statements then you’re just wasting time. I don’t even think I misinterpreted you. I think you came in against the gov paying for this hotline then found out Trump started it and now you’re in a position to defend Trump or stick to your real feelings about gov spending. Explains why you won’t engage.

 

[Slade3200]

I’m dead serious…Why do you Libs continuously manufacture societal decay and degradation and then expect others to fix the problem you created?

Answer. I don’t manufacture societal decay. I see people like you as societal decay. Why do you keep pumping that crap out into our world?

 

[Slade3200]

Then I doubt seriously that the Option 3 operators were following those guidelines. If they were, they still can, of course. But they won't be limited to trans kids, which is a good think, if they are so good at their jobs.

LGBtQ kids in crisis had a special set of issues that the crisis center wanted operators better trained to handle. Press 3 paired these kids with these train professions. Makes no sense why that would be messed with.

If operators were grooming kids like youre assuming… were they fired? Is Trump retraining? What is he doing to help the situation?

 

[Slade3200]

1) their body is fine, and is not "wrong." In other words, they should not be told that they were "born in the wrong body," and certainly not "misidentified at birth." As if some random voice on the phone knows more than the OB/GYN that delivered the child.

Nor are they too fat, too skinny, too white or brown, too freckled, or too tall or too short.

2) everyone goes through sexual confusion as they develop their sexual awareness moving into adulthood. Confusion is normal, not a sign of any mental illness, or "wrong" body.

3) Their confusion is likely temporary, but any kind of medical treatment would be a permanent solution to a temporary problem - as is suicide itself

I agree and from what I know of mental health professionals the last thing they do is recommend life altering surgery or drugs. Especially on a crisis hotline. The point of crisis hotlines are to deescalate and provide support so a kid doesn’t kill themselves. Maybe not the right time and place to lecture them about how wrong they are about how they feel.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Do you really think the best way to respond to a kid in crisis, suicidal, is to tell them what you think is the truth?

More so than to lie to them.

It isn't about what I "think" is the truth, it is about the truth.

Your version of truth and how you think people should identify and love is what’s being pushed on them to cause them to feel misunderstood, isolated, alone, depressed.

I don't care who they love, and I don't care how they identify. So long as we do not tell a gay youth that if he has sex with a boy, that boy becomes a girl. Nor should we tell a young male that if he thinks he is a girl, he is a girl.

Because that is a lie. Not opinion, that is fact.

That kind of response to a kid in crisis sounds to me like it would push them over the edge. Do you disagree?

If told the right way, emphasizing that confusion is normal, and so is the child's body.

Of course the counselor should not berate the child.

But if he calls and says he is Napolean and will commit suicide because his parents won't take a mortgage on their house to give him money to invade Russia, should the counselor tell him "if you identify as Napolean, you are Napolean. So if your parents won't fund it, start a gofundme, Emporer Napolean."

No, they should tell the child that he is not experiencing reality, and needs treatment to help him get back in touch with it.