Trump to announce $12 billion in aid to farmers

[dblack]

And what was the penalty for not having it? You just didn't get your income tax return money. They took it out of that before sending you your refund? Something like that. It wasn't that big of a penalty for not having healthcare.

Tooche.

This, right here. This is exactly what I was talking about. Trumpsters want to pretend that tariffs aren't punitive taxes, when in fact they are. They are penalties on people who trade without government approval.

Likewise, the individual mandate penalty was a tax on people wouldn't buy insurance from state-approved vendors. But you want to pretend it's something else. Tax "incentives" and tax "penalties" are exactly the same thing.

Delusion. Two-party drones can't exist without it.

 

[struth]

This, right here. This is exactly what I was talking about. Trumpsters want to pretend that tariffs aren't punitive taxes, when in fact they are. They are penalties on people who trade without government approval.

Likewise, the individual mandate penalty was a tax on people wouldn't buy insurance from state-approved vendors. But you want to pretend it's something else. Tax "incentives" and tax "penalties" are exactly the same thing.

Delusion. Two-party drones can't exist without it.

Yes, the Dems gave us Obamacare mandate that taxed people that didn’t buy something from a private company

A tariff is a tax you only pay if you purchase from a country with a tariff

Nobody is forcing you to do that

 

[dblack]

Yes, the Dems gave us Obamacare mandate that taxed people that didn’t buy something from a private company

A tariff is a tax you only pay if you purchase from a country with a tariff

Nobody is forcing you to do that

LOL -- Yes, very, very different. Good gawd. How do you manage the hypocrisy? I mean, when you're flipping and flopping back and forth on this stuff, doesn't it get confusing?

 

[Mac-7]

No one really knows if the tariffs are a net gain or a loss in the short run

Probably a loss

But in the long run they will be good for America

 

[struth]

LOL -- Yes, very, very different. Good gawd. How do you manage the hypocrisy? I mean, when you're flipping and flopping back and forth on this stuff, doesn't it get confusing?

Yes very different

It’s amazing you can’t see that

 

[sealybobo]

That’s cause the only regime xiden changed was given the Taliban Afghanistan

What do you mean? I thought Biden started several wars?

You guys are pathetic. Trump ends 8 wars we've never heard about and Biden started 6 wars we've never heard about.

 

[JohnDB]

This is socialism, right? Harris was rightly mocked for her idea to give every home buyer $25,000 towards the purchase of a new home. How is this distribution of wealth any different? Surely, MAGA will condemn this (crickets on social media). This administration created this problem and now they want to use our tax dollars to Band-Aid the wound.

The announcement comes after China recently started buying U.S. soybeans again after a tense trade war halted the purchases in a blow to American farmers.

Trump announces $12 billion in aid to farmers

China recently started buying U.S. soybeans again after a trade war halted the purchases in a blow to American farmers.

www.nbcnews.com

Nevermind the excuses....it's a smokescreen.

Farm Credit has become an arm of the corporate Agricultural giants.

They have been predatory lending against small farmers for 20+ years now. They tell the corporate food producers where they will or won't have processing facilities.
They are the ones who subsidize the specialty wheat used specifically on your average loaf of sandwich bread. (No one else has access to this wheat except for commercial sandwich bread bakeries)

EVERY subsidy and bailout like this has been gobbled up by corporate giants before....I see nothing in this to make things any different from before.

IOW....more BS from our government because corporate stooges can't do the job of thousands of small farmers.

 

[sealybobo]

This, right here. This is exactly what I was talking about. Trumpsters want to pretend that tariffs aren't punitive taxes, when in fact they are. They are penalties on people who trade without government approval.

Likewise, the individual mandate penalty was a tax on people wouldn't buy insurance from state-approved vendors. But you want to pretend it's something else. Tax "incentives" and tax "penalties" are exactly the same thing.

Delusion. Two-party drones can't exist without it.

However they do it, Government is responsible for deciding how much in taxes we all pay. I don't think the rich pay enough. In fact I think the rich are probably stealing I think we pay enough but in the last few decades our social services and safety nets have been cut severely. I don't mind the taxes I pay I just want them to strengthen things like SS and Medicare.

I asked AI

The wealthiest Americans are estimated to evade between $150 billion and $163 billion in taxes every year

I bet it's a lot more than that.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

This is socialism, right?

Right.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No one really knows if the tariffs are a net gain or a loss in the short run

Probably a loss

But in the long run they will be good for America

They won't, because most of them will be deleted by SCOTUS, and the rest by the next president.

 

[struth]

What do you mean? I thought Biden started several wars?

You guys are pathetic. Trump ends 8 wars we've never heard about and Biden started 6 wars we've never heard about.

Where in my post did I say that Xiden wasn't responsible for the start of a number of wars? I just said the issue with regime change and the Xiden admin, was that he was for the terrorist.

 

[Stann]

This is socialism, right? Harris was rightly mocked for her idea to give every home buyer $25,000 towards the purchase of a new home. How is this distribution of wealth any different? Surely, MAGA will condemn this (crickets on social media). This administration created this problem and now they want to use our tax dollars to Band-Aid the wound.

The announcement comes after China recently started buying U.S. soybeans again after a tense trade war halted the purchases in a blow to American farmers.

Trump announces $12 billion in aid to farmers

China recently started buying U.S. soybeans again after a trade war halted the purchases in a blow to American farmers.

www.nbcnews.com

Which means they will only lose about 30 million because of Trump.

 

[dblack]

However they do it, Government is responsible for deciding how much in taxes we all pay. I don't think the rich pay enough. In fact I think the rich are probably stealing I think we pay enough but in the last few decades our social services and safety nets have been cut severely. I don't mind the taxes I pay I just want them to strengthen things like SS and Medicare.

I asked AI

The wealthiest Americans are estimated to evade between $150 billion and $163 billion in taxes every year

I bet it's a lot more than that.

Both sides are now committed to the use of taxes - not as a means of generating legitimate operating revenue for the government, but - as a tool for social engineering. A way to push people around and manipulate their behavior without having to pass real laws. With ACA, for example, they wanted to force everyone to the insurance pens, but they couldn't just pass a federal law requiring everyone to buy insurance from state-approved insurance companies. So the work around was to use the tax code to accomplish the same thing.

Trumpsters want to punish people who dare to buy products from countries that Donny is mad at. But rather than pass a law to that effect, taxes (tariffs)!

Taxation for anything other than collecting funds to run the government should be illegal. We need a Constitutional amendment to the effect.

 

[sealybobo]

Both sides are now committed to the use of taxes - not as a means of generating legitimate operating revenue for the government, but - as a tool for social engineering. A way to push people around and manipulate their behavior without having to pass real laws. With ACA, for example, they wanted to force everyone to the insurance pens, but they couldn't just pass a federal law requiring everyone to buy insurance from state-approved insurance companies. So the work around was to use the tax code to accomplish the same thing.

Trumpsters want to punish people who dare to buy products from countries that Donny is mad at. But rather than pass a law to that effect, taxes (tariffs)!

Taxation for anything other than collecting funds to run the government should be illegal. We need a Constitutional amendment to the effect.

If you want to strategically tariff certain products from certain countries I'm all for it. Every country does it. Every country did it except the USA back when we first started free trade. Why were we the only country to not protect vital industries? Because all our vital industries were high paying union jobs most of the time. They didn't want to protect the jobs they should have been protecting because they wanted to break those unions. Now bring jobs back that will be non union, low paying, automated, and now the companies don't pay taxes anymore? You get the picture? But if Trump/we/you want to bring medicine manufacturing back home so we make our own medicine, I'm cool with that.

We should make enough phones that we are at least capable of makig our own phones. But not making our own phones. How about repair and update existing Iphones and Androids? We need to be able to fix old phones in case China ever cuts us off.

India was going to be our Iphone manufacturer but Trump's fighting with them now I hear. All because they won't give him credit for ending a conflict between them and Pakistan. And Trump has run India into China's arms. Recently they met with Iran, North Korea, China, Russia. And now Republicans want to make India out to be the bad guy. Perhaps Trump is the bad guy here? Don't ask me to be blindly patriotic to an idiot you voted for. I'm going to arm chair that son of a ***** every minute. He's a moron you know that right?

 

[MagicMike]

What do you mean? I thought Biden started several wars?

You guys are pathetic. Trump ends 8 wars we've never heard about and Biden started 6 wars we've never heard about.

Can you please list those 8 wars?

 

[dblack]

If you want to strategically tariff certain products from certain countries I'm all for it.

Exactly. You're not opposed to what Trump is doing, just that he's doing it, instead of a Democrat.

Why were we the only country to not protect vital industries?

Because we recognized that free trade (aka freedom) was more important.

Because all our vital industries were high paying union jobs most of the time. They didn't want to protect the jobs they should have been protecting because they wanted to break those unions. Now bring jobs back that will be non union, low paying, automated, and now the companies don't pay taxes anymore? You get the picture? But if Trump/we/you want to bring medicine manufacturing back home so we make our own medicine, I'm cool with that.

We should make enough phones that we are at least capable of makig our own phones. But not making our own phones. How about repair and update existing Iphones and Androids? We need to be able to fix old phones in case China ever cuts us off.

India was going to be our Iphone manufacturer but Trump's fighting with them now I hear. All because they won't give him credit for ending a conflict between them and Pakistan. And Trump has run India into China's arms. Recently they met with Iran, North Korea, China, Russia. And now Republicans want to make India out to be the bad guy. Perhaps Trump is the bad guy here?

All this is just mumbling to me. You think government is there to "run" society. I don't.

Don't ask me to be blindly patriotic to an idiot you voted for.

Full stop. I didn't vote for Trump and you know that - so just go **** yourself.
EDITED: I re-read and realized you were talking about Republicans, not me. Apologies. It's something I have to deal with in every other post.

 

[sealybobo]

Can you please list those 8 wars?

No not me. Bottom line is we all know Trump is embellishing his accomplishments. He's the master of self promotion.

 

[struth]

No not me. Bottom line is we all know Trump is embellishing his accomplishments. He's the master of self promotion.

He certainly is...you know who wasn't? Tampon Timmy, your VP nominee that got caught trying to steal valor...pathetic.

 

[Mac1958]

And again and again and again....

 

[struth]

And again and again and again....

what crisis did he create?