Tumblin Tumbleweed
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The consequences of grievance politics. Could be nothing. Could be mayhem. I'm not a ******* fortune teller and neither are you.
Trump Thinks He Humiliated Zelensky. He Really Humiliated the United States
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Tumblin Tumbleweed
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Because they don't have to....and how have our allies helped us with China? China steals their technology and intellectual properties and they dont say a god damn word about it.
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I dont need to be a fortune teller to know that it isnt going to bring any real blowback on us.
Godboy
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That is definitely true. Militarily speaking, we would crush China in a war over Taiwan. Europe doesnt have to help us at all.
We live in a new reality today. What we saw was so enjoyable. It was transparency. Pure transparency. We saw none of that with Joe. Just lies. And more lies. The good overwhelmed with the lies. Change up somewhat.
tyroneweaver
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ya, you wanted it behind closed doors so you could make up hokey stories and impeach trump like the last time.“It’s time to say it plainly. America’s leadership has switched sides in the war. The American people have not, and they should speak up.
In the past several weeks, the U.S. leadership has demonstrated explicit hostility towards Ukraine and aligned its rhetoric and policy with Russia.
The animosity culminated today when U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance berated Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky at a meeting in the Oval Office.
After a hostile meeting, Zelensky left the White House. Trump reportedly ordered the Ukrainian delegation out.
Let this sink in. The president of a battered Ukraine, an ally of the U.S., became the first world leader in history to be kicked out of the White House. Not a dictator, not a disgraced politician — the president of Ukraine, a country suffering from the worst invasion in the 21st century. The country that the U.S. administration swore to bring peace to.”
Editorial: A president just disrespected America in the Oval Office. It wasn’t Zelensky
It’s time to say it plainly. America’s leadership has switched sides in the war. The American people have not, and they should speak up. In the past several weeks, the U.S. leadership has demonstrated explicit hostility towards Ukraine and aligned its rhetoric and policy with Russia. The...kyivindependent.com
Trump and Vance engaged in a shameful, reprehensible betrayal of America’s long tradition of defending democracy and opposing despotic aggression.
Tumblin Tumbleweed
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Yeah. We're a superpower, and we're currently being led by the equivalent of the Kardashians. Explain to me how that elevates the US strategically or militarily if our leadership is hooking up with leaders like Putin.
Show your work, please and thank you.
tyroneweaver
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I see you guys never give up on the conspiracy theories. LOL
shockedcanadian
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Well it is Europes issue now as it always shpuld have been barring some drastic shift. Let the E.U back up their support with soldiers, weapons.and cash, not just thoughts and prayers.
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Do I really need to take a post seriously when it describes Trump's diplomacy for a peace deal as "hooking up with Putin"?
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Is Isolationism a conspiracy theory?
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Yes.
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The more I think about Zelenkys unwillingness to sign a critical first step deal with the U.S and hear of the leaks of frustratioin Biden had with him, the more I realize that it might be best to just sit this out, rebuild U.S stockpiles and let the E.U handle this war. Some.of these decisions for permanent war could sink America, is that the goal some have? Even Graham knows that the U.S cant keep this up infinitely.
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transparency would’ve been we the people of the United States of America and Europe being in on the phone call between Trump and Putin two days ago when this reality TV bullshit was put together
Vladimir Putin told Don Trump if he let Zelensky sign that mineral deal the Trump tower “Moscow“ deal is off and there will not be a Trump Golf Course and Casino built on the Gaza Strip.
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What we saw was a President being Crystal Clear on what we can try to do to stop the dying.
Made it clear WE WILL NOT FUND AN ENDLESS WAR WITH NO REAL HOPE OF VICTORY.
Short of other countries fighting Russia Ukraine cant win.
Made it clear WE WILL NOT FUND AN ENDLESS WAR WITH NO REAL HOPE OF VICTORY.
Short of other countries fighting Russia Ukraine cant win.
tyroneweaver
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prove to me the isolationism. Not in some screwed up thought in your head
but the actual act
"It was an ugly display of foreign policy crudeness the likes of which we have never seen transpire in the White House. It is tempting to call it inept. But it was not. It achieved precisely the goal that Putin and Trump had long sought, to produce a public break between the United States and Ukraine that would directly and meaningfully support Russia’s illegal, brutal conquest of its neighbor.
Trump and Vance, however, were rebuffed by Zelensky in important ways. When the Americans sought to perpetuate lies that have been a staple of Kremlin propaganda and Trump campaign speeches, Zelensky stood up to them. He refuted the idea that Ukraine provoked Russia’s invasion.
He rejected the ahistorical nonsense that Putin only invaded Ukraine because he sensed former president Joe Biden’s weakness. He reminded those viewing the encounter on U.S. national television that in fact Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 (a point on which Trump embarrassingly tried to correct him) and that the war raged for all four years Trump was in office the last time. He pointed out that he sought a diplomatic solution only to have Putin violate the terms of deals that had been struck.
With each correction Trump and Vance grew more furious and out of control. Trump vainly tried to intimidate a man who has stood up to far worse since he assumed Ukraine’s presidency."
Trump Thinks He Humiliated Zelensky. He Really Humiliated the United States
Trump’s Oval Office show proves he’s no Don Corleone. He’s really the Luca Brasi for mob boss Vladimir Putin.www.thedailybeast.com
Trump and Vance attacked President Zelensky with disinformation and lies that were nothing more than Russian propaganda.
Little Zelensky got Trumped. His time is up.
“It’s time to say it plainly. America’s leadership has switched sides in the war. The American people have not, and they should speak up.
In the past several weeks, the U.S. leadership has demonstrated explicit hostility towards Ukraine and aligned its rhetoric and policy with Russia.
The animosity culminated today when U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance berated Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky at a meeting in the Oval Office.
After a hostile meeting, Zelensky left the White House. Trump reportedly ordered the Ukrainian delegation out.
Let this sink in. The president of a battered Ukraine, an ally of the U.S., became the first world leader in history to be kicked out of the White House. Not a dictator, not a disgraced politician — the president of Ukraine, a country suffering from the worst invasion in the 21st century. The country that the U.S. administration swore to bring peace to.”
Editorial: A president just disrespected America in the Oval Office. It wasn’t Zelensky
It’s time to say it plainly. America’s leadership has switched sides in the war. The American people have not, and they should speak up. In the past several weeks, the U.S. leadership has demonstrated explicit hostility towards Ukraine and aligned its rhetoric and policy with Russia. The...
Trump and Vance engaged in a shameful, reprehensible betrayal of America’s long tradition of defending democracy and opposing despotic aggression.
The Obama and Biden regimes started this war. It’s not on us to go to war against Russia to satisfy the warmongers.
You want to help Ukraine, to move there and join Zelensky’s rainbow brigade. Otherwise, you’re all talk.
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Aversion to NATO/Aversion to EU. Tariffs. Insistence on a closed border and trade. Walls.
tyroneweaver
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trump wants to expand into greenland, panama, and the plains of ukraine
Sorry I destroyed your screwed up thinking
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