Trump Thinks He Humiliated Zelensky. He Really Humiliated the United States

... U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance berated Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky at a meeting in the Oval Office.
Yep.
After a hostile meeting, Zelensky left the White House. Trump reportedly ordered the Ukrainian delegation out.
Good riddance.
The president of a battered Ukraine, an ally of the U.S.,
What do you mean "ally"? Ukraine is not an ally of the US.
..... the first world leader in history to be kicked out of the White House.
Well done.
Not a dictator,
Yes, he is. He banned Democratic elections in his country.
the president of Ukraine, a country suffering from the worst invasion in the 21st century.
Bull shit.
The country that the U.S. administration swore to bring peace to.”
Kicking Zoolinsky out of the White House is the first step in bringing peace to Ukraine.
Trump and Vance engaged in a shameful, reprehensible betrayal of America’s long tradition of defending democracy and opposing despotic aggression.
You idiot. Zoolinsky is not Democratic. He is a despot and a Fascist.

Trump and Vance were a bit "over the top" and hard handed but Zoolinsky should be sent to Abu Graib or Guantanamo for further treatment.
 
Isn't that a bit feisty of you to call yourself American people? As far as I remember you creeps lost the elections, so the best you can hope for is to wait till the demtards get back and screw America again. Till then pound sand or whine about Z alone when no one's watching.
Yes, the creeps lost by a land slide.
 



You would’ve made a great Nazi sympathizer at the start of World War II in Europe.​

Charles Lindbergh Pushed Anti-Semitic Conspiracies To Keep America From Fighting Hitler

Charles Lindbergh was an American hero after his historic solo flight across the Atlantic — then he wrecked his legacy through bigotry and associations with Nazis.
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After World War II broke out in Europe on September 1, 1939, Lindbergh wrote an article for the November issue of Reader’s Digest titled “Our civilization depends on peace among Western nations.” Lindbergh publicly and vehemently called for the U.S. not to intervene during Germany’s invasions of Poland and Czechoslovakia.

Yeah tell us how the war started good guy for Demockwacy

Pffftttttt
 
I've been against the state department and the cia's war against Russia since day one .
Agreed. In six months or so, there is a good possibility these idiots won't have their subversive propaganda to fall back on, b/c LITERALLY, no one wants to buy it.

They can't sell this shit to anyone, so they are forced to give it away.


 
Ukrainians are not asking us for our lives to be spent defending them. They want our spirit and love of individual liberty, freedom, and appreciation for Western liberal democracy.

You want tyranny to win. Enjoy that coward. Submitting to tyranny is as cowardly as an American can be.
Again screw you. They want us to keep borrowing money to hand to them to be lost by them on the meat grinder.

Out of ***** to give on that.
 
Ukraine isn’t an ally. We have no treaties requiring that we defend it. Providing weapons and financial support is to our advantage, but that can change. The situation is very similar to the relationship between France and the thirteen colonies early in the revolutionary war. France was providing us support to weaken the British. We are supporting Ukraine to weaken Russia. Even Ukraine has to realize that like most European wars, this one will end with a negotiated peace. I want that peace to be with Russia forced back to its 2010 borders, but whatever happens is not up to any of us.
I put in a "disagree" because when the Ukes gave up their Nukes there were agreements set up though evidently they could be ignored...as Obama did.

"1991 Minsk Agreement on Strategic Forces

With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the Commonwealth of Independent States signed the Minsk Agreement on December 30, 1991, agreeing that the Russian government would be given charge of all nuclear armaments. However, as long as the weapons remained in Belarus, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan, the governments of those countries would have the right to veto their use. The target date for dismantling the weapons was set for the end of 1994.

1992 Lisbon Protocol

Ukraine signed the Lisbon Protocol on May 23, 1992. The protocol sought to return the nuclear weapons in Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine to Russia. All states were to join START and the NPT. However, within Ukraine, there was little motion towards the ratification of START, joining the NPT, or overall denuclearization. The protocol required that Ukraine adhere to the NPT as quickly as possible, but it gave the country up to seven years to follow through.

By late 1992, the Ukrainian parliament was vocalizing more pro-nuclear views. Some believed that Ukraine was entitled to at least temporary nuclear weapon status. Perhaps optimistically, the U.S. government promised Ukraine $175 million in dismantlement assistance. Instead, the Ukrainian government began implementing administrative management of the nuclear forces and claimed ownership of the warheads.

In late April 1993, 162 Ukrainian politicians signed a statement to add 13 preconditions for ratification of START, frustrating the ratification process. The preconditions required security assurances from Russia and the United States, foreign aid for dismantlement, and compensation for the nuclear material. Additionally, they stated that Ukraine would dismantle only 36 percent of its delivery vehicles and 42 percent of its warheads, leaving the rest under Ukrainian control. Russia and the United States criticized these demands, but Ukraine did not budge. In May 1993, the United States said that if Ukraine were to ratify START, Washington would provide more financial assistance. This began subsequent discussions between Ukraine, Russia, and the United States over the future of Ukrainian denuclearization.

1993 Massandra Accords

Ukrainian and Russian officials reached a set of agreements, including protocols on nuclear weapons dismantlement, procedure, and terms of compensation. However, the two sides could not agree on the final document, and the summit ultimately failed.

1994 Trilateral Statement

The Massandra Accords set the stage for the ultimately successful trilateral talks. As the United States mediated between Russia and Ukraine, the three countries signed the Trilateral Statement on January 14, 1994. Ukraine committed to full disarmament, including strategic weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia. Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia and accepted U.S. assistance in dismantling missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure. Ukraine’s warheads would be dismantled in Russia, and Ukraine would receive compensation for the commercial value of the highly enriched uranium. Ukraine ratified START on February 3, 1994, repealing its earlier preconditions, but it would not accede to the NPT without further security assurances.

1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances

To solidify security commitments to Ukraine, the United States, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances on December 5, 1994. A political agreement in accordance with the principles of the Helsinki Accords, the memorandum included security assurances against the threat or use of force against Ukraine’s territory or political independence. The countries promised to respect the sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine. Parallel memorandums were signed for Belarus and Kazakhstan as well. In response, Ukraine officially acceded to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state on December 5, 1994. That move met the final condition for ratification of START, and on the same day, the five START states-parties exchanged instruments of ratification, bringing the treaty into force.

2009 Joint Declaration by Russia and the United States

Russia and the United States released a joint statement in 2009 confirming that the security assurances made in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum would still be valid after START expired in 2009."


Seems the TREATY was ignored by all signatories except the Trump years when he sent Javelins instead of blankets!!

Greg
 
Zoolinsky wants more money from the US. Is that what they should "come and get"?
Then Europe can supply the money while the US supplies the Russia Killing Machines...paid for out of long term agreements over Ukrainian minerals. WINNER WINNER!!!

Greg
 
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What you can do is watch Putin start reconstituting the USSR.
In other words you’re too much of a ***** to actually fight in this war you support. Just use taxpayer money to pay other people to fight and die.

You all talk a big game, but have no willpower to fight in an actual war.
 
yes. Surrender to Putin Hitler does stop some dying doesn’t it for how long? You’re a coward who lives in a western liberal democracy too cowardly to send a pittance of change over there to help the Ukrainian Patriots win against Trump’s fascist friends.

You are a sickening coward.

Charles Lindberg would’ve loved this MAGA Republican Party Cowardice.


During the mid-1930s, Lindbergh became familiar with German advances in aviation and warned his U.S. counterparts of Germany’s growing air superiority. But Lindbergh also became enamored of much of the German national “revitalization” he encountered, and allowed himself to be decorated by Hitler’s government, which drew tremendous criticism back home.

Upon Lindbergh’s return to the States, he agitated for neutrality with Germany, and testified before Congress in opposition to the Lend-Lease policy, which offered cash and military aid to countries friendly to the United States in their war effort against the Axis powers. His public denunciation of “the British, the Jewish and the Roosevelt Administration” as instigators of American intervention in the war, as well as comments that smacked of anti-Semitism, lost him the support of other isolationists. When, in 1941, President Roosevelt denounced Lindbergh publicly, the aviator resigned from the Air Corps Reserve.

He was the original “America First” racist, white American trash
LOL what a joke.

So yea, we went to war against Germany and made friends with the communist Russians, which led to nearly a hundred years of fucked up wars, occupation, and hundreds of millions of people getting murdered.

What a “win” for FDR.
 
... If any nation out there has an issue with the US, come get some.
Zoolinsky wants more money from the US. Is that what they should "come and get"?

Then Europe can supply the money
That doesn't make any sense. What does it have to do with what Godboy said?
... while the US supplies the Russia Killing Machines...paid for out of long term agreements over Ukrainian minerals. WINNER WINNER!!!
I think you should explain what you mean.
 
"It was an ugly display of foreign policy crudeness the likes of which we have never seen transpire in the White House. It is tempting to call it inept. But it was not. It achieved precisely the goal that Putin and Trump had long sought, to produce a public break between the United States and Ukraine that would directly and meaningfully support Russia’s illegal, brutal conquest of its neighbor.

Trump and Vance, however, were rebuffed by Zelensky in important ways. When the Americans sought to perpetuate lies that have been a staple of Kremlin propaganda and Trump campaign speeches, Zelensky stood up to them. He refuted the idea that Ukraine provoked Russia’s invasion.

He rejected the ahistorical nonsense that Putin only invaded Ukraine because he sensed former president Joe Biden’s weakness. He reminded those viewing the encounter on U.S. national television that in fact Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 (a point on which Trump embarrassingly tried to correct him) and that the war raged for all four years Trump was in office the last time. He pointed out that he sought a diplomatic solution only to have Putin violate the terms of deals that had been struck.

With each correction Trump and Vance grew more furious and out of control. Trump vainly tried to intimidate a man who has stood up to far worse since he assumed Ukraine’s presidency."


Trump and Vance attacked President Zelensky with disinformation and lies that were nothing more than Russian propaganda.

very true!
 
"It was an ugly display of foreign policy crudeness the likes of which we have never seen transpire in the White House. It is tempting to call it inept. But it was not. It achieved precisely the goal that Putin and Trump had long sought, to produce a public break between the United States and Ukraine that would directly and meaningfully support Russia’s illegal, brutal conquest of its neighbor.

Trump and Vance, however, were rebuffed by Zelensky in important ways. When the Americans sought to perpetuate lies that have been a staple of Kremlin propaganda and Trump campaign speeches, Zelensky stood up to them. He refuted the idea that Ukraine provoked Russia’s invasion.

He rejected the ahistorical nonsense that Putin only invaded Ukraine because he sensed former president Joe Biden’s weakness. He reminded those viewing the encounter on U.S. national television that in fact Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 (a point on which Trump embarrassingly tried to correct him) and that the war raged for all four years Trump was in office the last time. He pointed out that he sought a diplomatic solution only to have Putin violate the terms of deals that had been struck.

With each correction Trump and Vance grew more furious and out of control. Trump vainly tried to intimidate a man who has stood up to far worse since he assumed Ukraine’s presidency."


Trump and Vance attacked President Zelensky with disinformation and lies that were nothing more than Russian propaganda.
He did not. Zelinsky acted as if we owed money to him without his being obliged to work with us.

When you are accepting BILLIONS of dollars from someone to keep YOUR country soverign, then YOU do NOT get to SET the TERMS of the deal.

We do.
 
"It was an ugly display of foreign policy crudeness the likes of which we have never seen transpire in the White House. It is tempting to call it inept. But it was not. It achieved precisely the goal that Putin and Trump had long sought, to produce a public break between the United States and Ukraine that would directly and meaningfully support Russia’s illegal, brutal conquest of its neighbor.

Trump and Vance, however, were rebuffed by Zelensky in important ways. When the Americans sought to perpetuate lies that have been a staple of Kremlin propaganda and Trump campaign speeches, Zelensky stood up to them. He refuted the idea that Ukraine provoked Russia’s invasion.

He rejected the ahistorical nonsense that Putin only invaded Ukraine because he sensed former president Joe Biden’s weakness. He reminded those viewing the encounter on U.S. national television that in fact Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 (a point on which Trump embarrassingly tried to correct him) and that the war raged for all four years Trump was in office the last time. He pointed out that he sought a diplomatic solution only to have Putin violate the terms of deals that had been struck.

With each correction Trump and Vance grew more furious and out of control. Trump vainly tried to intimidate a man who has stood up to far worse since he assumed Ukraine’s presidency."


Trump and Vance attacked President Zelensky with disinformation and lies that were nothing more than Russian propaganda.
American foreign policy has been dreadful/hapless for decades. After the current display, it's still hapless.
 
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“It’s time to say it plainly. America’s leadership has switched sides in the war. The American people have not, and they should speak up.

In the past several weeks, the U.S. leadership has demonstrated explicit hostility towards Ukraine and aligned its rhetoric and policy with Russia.

The animosity culminated today when U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance berated Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky at a meeting in the Oval Office.

After a hostile meeting, Zelensky left the White House. Trump reportedly ordered the Ukrainian delegation out.

Let this sink in. The president of a battered Ukraine, an ally of the U.S., became the first world leader in history to be kicked out of the White House. Not a dictator, not a disgraced politician — the president of Ukraine, a country suffering from the worst invasion in the 21st century. The country that the U.S. administration swore to bring peace to.”


Trump and Vance engaged in a shameful, reprehensible betrayal of America’s long tradition of defending democracy and opposing despotic aggression.
/—-/ We finally have a strong president and vice president who stand up for America and you insufferable twats complain.
Too bad.
 
We live in a new reality today. What we saw was so enjoyable. It was transparency. Pure transparency. We saw none of that with Joe. Just lies. And more lies. The good overwhelmed with the lies. Change up somewhat.
the reality is you elected a psychotic felonious dictator.
 

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