WorldWatcher
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Again, isn't it breaking the separation of powers by the Executive branch telling the Legislative Branch they will not faithfully execute the laws passed by the Legislative branch?
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Trump stopped from shutting down the Department of Education
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Again, isn't it breaking the separation of powers by the Executive branch telling the Legislative Branch they will not faithfully execute the laws passed by the Legislative branch?
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AntonToo
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President nominates judges, Congress confirms them and has impeachment power.
Ultimately SCOTUS is the final say on legal disputes and constitutionality.
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The last Administration was famous for doing exactly that.
I don't think you get it...
Another Slapdown for Trump as Education Dept. Is Saved
President Donald Trump has been forced to walk back his plans to shut down the Department of Education. Trump announced on Thursday that he was signing an order that would “begin eliminating the federal Department of Education once and for all.” He glossed over White House Press Secretary...www.yahoo.com
President Donald Trump has been forced to walk back his plans to shut down the Department of Education.
Trump announced on Thursday that he was signing an order that would “begin eliminating the federal Department of Education once and for all.”
He glossed over White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt’s earlier remarks that the Education Department would continue to handle student loans and Pell grants as well as other “critical functions,” including enforcing some civil rights laws and programs for students with disabilities.
The U-turn comes amid concern in the administration that Congress would balk at Trump’s plan to shutter the entire department.
Trump said he hoped that, “ultimately,” a bill would go before Congress to shut down the agency altogether.
“The Department of Education will be much smaller than it is today,” White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said ahead of Trump’s announcement. “When it comes to student loans and Pell grants, those will still be run out of the Department of Education. But we don’t need to be spending more than $3 trillion over the course of a few decades on a department that’s clearly failing in its initial intention to educate our students.”
What seems strange to me is that Congress and the Judicial branch seemingly has power over the Executive Branch. Why is that?
Trump is at the head of the Executive Branch, so it stands to reason he should be in control over it. It would be akin to Trump telling Congress what to do in any way with their branch.
Congress should have created the Fourth Branch of government under the Legislative branch instead of the Executive if they wanted to keep control over it.
Of course, you have an army of Federal judges doing the same thing to Trump, trying to tell him what he can and cannot do under the Constitution. But if I recall, the Constitution has nothing to say about an absolute army of unelected bureaucrats basically running the country.
Nothing.
Congress set up what the executive branch can spend and not spend on...
Executive is just the day to day running... They can have temporary halts but not huge overhauls.
The general rule is: If Congress sets it up then Congress has to finish it.. US President is not a King...
This is a simple reap what you sow... If a Democrat comes in next time what you think would happen?
BTW, all this kills investment... Who in there right mind is committing money to a system that changes the rules every 4 years...
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The judicial branch is coming up on a makeover.Another Slapdown for Trump as Education Dept. Is Saved
President Donald Trump has been forced to walk back his plans to shut down the Department of Education. Trump announced on Thursday that he was signing an order that would “begin eliminating the federal Department of Education once and for all.” He glossed over White House Press Secretary...
President Donald Trump has been forced to walk back his plans to shut down the Department of Education.
Trump announced on Thursday that he was signing an order that would “begin eliminating the federal Department of Education once and for all.”
He glossed over White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt’s earlier remarks that the Education Department would continue to handle student loans and Pell grants as well as other “critical functions,” including enforcing some civil rights laws and programs for students with disabilities.
The U-turn comes amid concern in the administration that Congress would balk at Trump’s plan to shutter the entire department.
Trump said he hoped that, “ultimately,” a bill would go before Congress to shut down the agency altogether.
“The Department of Education will be much smaller than it is today,” White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said ahead of Trump’s announcement. “When it comes to student loans and Pell grants, those will still be run out of the Department of Education. But we don’t need to be spending more than $3 trillion over the course of a few decades on a department that’s clearly failing in its initial intention to educate our students.”
What seems strange to me is that Congress and the Judicial branch seemingly has power over the Executive Branch. Why is that?
Trump is at the head of the Executive Branch, so it stands to reason he should be in control over it. It would be akin to Trump telling Congress what to do in any way with their branch.
Congress should have created the Fourth Branch of government under the Legislative branch instead of the Executive if they wanted to keep control over it.
Of course, you have an army of Federal judges doing the same thing to Trump, trying to tell him what he can and cannot do under the Constitution. But if I recall, the Constitution has nothing to say about an absolute army of unelected bureaucrats basically running the country.
Nothing.
The Federal bench will be busted down to fractured districts.... There's only one supreme Court. A district judge should not have that power.
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When has a Democrat President tried to can a dept without Congressional approval?
Darkwind
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So, you just failed miserably.
How does the other two branches check the power of the Judiciary? Impaechment only works if you can get 2/3's vote in the Senate. How does the other two branches keep the Judiary from just running roughshod over them, like what is going on right now?
The Consti;tuition invests in ONE Supreme Court. That is the extent of the Judicary branches co-equal powers.
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Nonsense.
Nixon set up the EPA, for example, but the President has no power to do away with it either.
Essentially, you put a conservative President in power and are told that you have an army of Left wing radical Leftists you are in charge of you have no real power over and neither does the American voter who cannot vote them in or out of office
There is nothing more unconstitutional that the Fourth Branch of government Leftists created at the turn of the 20th century.
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Really? You said enforce the laws passed by the Legislature.
That little issue of the Biden Admin not enforcing immigration laws and misusing parole/pardon authority.
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If the government is "of, by, and for" the people then both parties should accept the fact that students (also people) have simply decided that formal education isn't for them. They get all the education they need through social media, and their peer groups.
Education is an agreement between student and teacher. However, students have broken this agreement by refusing to learn what is being taught.
However, they are not entirely to blame. It is clear that parents have not prepared their children for school. They ignore their responsibility then blame the educational system for the failure of their kids to learn.
And the educational system has no good answer for this dilemma.
Education is an agreement between student and teacher. However, students have broken this agreement by refusing to learn what is being taught.
However, they are not entirely to blame. It is clear that parents have not prepared their children for school. They ignore their responsibility then blame the educational system for the failure of their kids to learn.
And the educational system has no good answer for this dilemma.
Judiciary imposes the laws written by Congress...
Trump is doing stuff that breaks the law...
If he wants to get rid of the Dept of Education then get Congress to pass a law saying that..
I don't think any of ye actually read the constitution...
Votto
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The Legislative Branch delegating power to an unelected power that is under another Branch of government is nothing short of a derelict of duty.
What they want is for them to pass a myriad of regulations that are unpopular to vote on in Congress instead of those in Congress losing elections for passing them as laws because those unelected bureaucrats are there for life regardless of how the American people may hate those regulations.
Enough!!!!
What they want is for them to pass a myriad of regulations that are unpopular to vote on in Congress instead of those in Congress losing elections for passing them as laws because those unelected bureaucrats are there for life regardless of how the American people may hate those regulations.
Enough!!!!
AntonToo
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I've just fucking explained.
You seem to think that if the powers are not checked in EVERY way, then therefore there are no checks. This is false.
Each branch has unique powers and Judiciary's unique power is that they are the final say on legal disputes. Executive and Congress have the power to put judges on the court and to impeach them, that is their check over the court. They do not have the power to overturn or ignore SCOTUS rulings. If they did, the system would be incoherent and completely dysfunctional.
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WorldWatcher
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Biden enforced immigration laws.
Did Biden issue pardon's I disagree with, but no worse then Trumps misusing parole/pardon authority.
I mean Jesus dude, Trump pardoned over 1000 people that attacked the capital and tried to overturn an election and (some) were responsible for injuring police officers during their riot. That's in addition to pardon political operatives like Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Stephen K. Bannon, and George Papadopoulos.
There is no high horse for Trump on a pardons.
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Where in the Constitution does it say Department of Education?
What you have is a Congress that has subverted the Constitution by taking power away from the states and having the Federal government run all your daily activities from what doctor you see to what teacher and curriculum you will have for your child in school.
The powers of the Federal government within the Constitution were very limited, and ironically enough, include securing the border, something the Federal government refuses to do, but they will tell you what kind of light bulbs you can buy at the store instead.
Sheer madneess
IF states ran their own affairs, you would have red and blue states that have the kind of government they want, verses half the country wanting to secede from the union every time a President is elected. And if you don't like living in a red or blue state you can move to one that is to your liking.
The way the construct is now, both parties are ripping apart the country with every turn from the right to the left to the right after every Presidential election
Why does the Executive have such power over our lives, most of which, are not elected?
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This is why it is so important to remove democrats in the 2026 elections.
Biden deported more people than Trump...
Why are you not bitching about Trump... Cause he is in your tribe...
BTW Why isn't Trump passing a law to heavilly fine and jail employers who hire undocumented workers?
what Biden did was ask for money to enforce the immigration laws and Trump stopped congress from giving it...
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