Trump Says We've Never Needed NATO

[IM2]

If Hitler had not decided to invade Russia, we would not be here reading ignorants talking about how we saved Europe.

 

[Crepitus]

If it wasn't for the United States entering WWII we would all be speaking German.

Including us.

 

[Crepitus]

If Hitler had not decided to invade Russia, we would not be here reading ignorants talking about how we saved Europe.

A real point as well. The famous Russian Generals January and February really did a number on the NAZIs.

 

[g5000]

And you think the Soviets didn't earn some of the hell they went through by stabbing Poland in the back, grabbing the Baltics, and sabotaging the French Army via the French Communist party?

Sure, Stalin was stupid enough to think Hitler was a genuine ally. Then again, he probably joined up with Hitler in the beginning for the same reason we joined up with Stalin later.

Strategic bedfellows.

It's funny about Poland. 99.9999 percent of Americans don't know Stalin invaded Poland the same day Hitler did. I've pointed that out to dumbfounded Harvard graduates who had no idea.

Anyone who has read Mein Kampf, as I have, can see that Hitler had it in for Russia and France. He was not even subtle about it.

Anyone who reads that book would also see how profoundly ignorant the people who say Nazis are left wing are.

It was Hitler's goal all along. It is right there in black and white. Whether Russia stabbed Poland in the back or not.

Hitler was motivated by his resentment toward Russia and France over losing World War One to them and being humiliated by the surrender conditions.

If you want to talk about what the USSR deserved, the Holodomor by itself was enough negative karma to justify the USSR being wiped off the map.

But bad guys very rarely get what they deserve. Hitler is the exception.

 

[g5000]

If Hitler had not decided to invade Russia, we would not be here reading ignorants talking about how we saved Europe.

This fact makes you an America hater, dontcha know.

 

[martybegan]

Sure, Stalin was stupid enough to think Hitler was a genuine ally. Then again, he probably joined up with Hitler in the beginning for the same reason we joined up with Stalin later.

Strategic bedfellows.

It's funny about Poland. 99.9999 percent of Americans don't know Stalin invaded Poland the same day Hitler did. I've pointed that out to dumbfounded Harvard graduates who had no idea.

Anyone who has read Mein Kampf, as I have, can see that Hitler had it in for Russia and France. He was not even subtle about it.

Anyone who reads that book would also see how profoundly ignorant the people who say Nazis are left wing are.

It was Hitler's goal all along. It is right there in black and white. Whether Russia stabbed Poland in the back or not.

Hitler was motivated by his resentment toward Russia and France over losing World War One to them and being humiliated by the surrender conditions.

If you want to talk about what the USSR deserved, the Holodomor by itself was enough negative karma to justify the USSR being wiped off the map.

But bad guys very rarely get what they deserve. Hitler is the exception.

Russia invaded Poland AFTER Germany did.

1st of September vs. 17th of September.

 

[g5000]

Russia invaded Poland AFTER Germany did.

1st of September vs. 17th of September.

Okay. A distinction without a difference.

Oddly, the allies declared war on Germany, but not Russia.

 

[martybegan]

Okay. A distinction without a difference.

Oddly, the allies declared war on Germany, but not Russia.

You got full of yourself over an incorrect fact.

Good thing they didn't.

 

[22lcidw]

You clearly do not understand the meaning of a military tripwire.

Did you bleev our troops in West Berlin would have successfully halted a Russian invasion?

Nope. They were sacrifical lambs. A tripwire.

Just as the NATO troops in Greenland were.

It will be to our eternal shame that Trump brought the world to this point.

Trump has not only been the worst president ever. He has now succeeded in making such a black mark that the next hundred presidents will be unable to perform worse than him.

He will forever be at the bottom of the list.

Let us have two federal governments. You get yours and we get ours. Our government has mostly your imprints on it. We have huge payouts to people. And if some do not get it, it will be fighting time. Cause that is what they will do as people feel they are owed. You have not told us anything you will do with specifics except impeachapalooza in the next election. The stupid feminist shills are destroying us. And in the end, themselves.

 

[1srelluc]

France did a withdraw from NATO in the 60s under De Gaulle and just signed security agreements.

I don't see why that would not work for the US now.

 

[Doc7505]

This is once again another example of shameful conduct by the president. The USA is the only country to ever invoke Article 5 of the NATO treaty, following 9-11, and our allies showed up. Their militaries lost lives also.

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Just love it when your lack of intelligence and knowledge of history show's it's ugly head on this board.
FYI, A.I. says:
In the immediate aftermath of World War II (1945), the United States spearheaded the creation of several global institutions and policies designed to ensure long-term peace, prevent another world war, and maintain its new status as a global superpower.
Key entities and initiatives created by the U.S. include:

• United Nations (1945): Founded to prevent future world wars through international cooperation.
• The Marshall Plan (1948): An economic aid program for Europe intended to rebuild shattered economies, promote political stability, and specifically undercut the appeal of Communism.
• North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) (1949): A military alliance formed with Canada and Western European nations to provide collective defense against potential Soviet aggression.
• Bretton Woods Institutions: The U.S. helped establish the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank to promote global financial stability and facilitate reconstruction.
• General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) (1947): Created to promote international economic cooperation and free trade.

Reasons for These Creations

1. Preventing Future Conflicts: American leaders believed the isolationism and economic instability of the 1930s had contributed to WWII; these new institutions were meant to prevent a repeat of that cycle.
2. Containing Communism: As the Cold War began, the U.S. used economic aid (Marshall Plan) and military alliances (NATO) to stop the spread of Soviet influence in Europe and Asia.
3. Economic Prosperity: Rebuilding foreign markets through aid ensured that other nations could buy American manufactured goods, sustaining the U.S. economic boom.
4. Global Leadership: With half of the world's wealth and a monopoly on nuclear weapons at the time, the U.S. used these organizations to cement a U.S.-led global order.

Critics, on the right, particularly President Trump, argue this system has allowed European nations to underfund their own defense while relying on the U.S. for protection and taking advantage of trade agreements.
After World War II, the United States established a global order to rebuild
Europe and prevent further conflict.
While previous U.S. presidents viewed this as a vital investment in American security, Donald Trump has characterized it as an arrangement where Europe has "taken advantage" of U.S. generosity.

Remember these agreements were made while Europe was climbing out of the devastation of WWII.
There were still areas in the UK and Europe that had not been rebuilt in the 50's and early 60's.
Today Europe has rebuilt their industries with the assistance and trade agreements by the U.S..
Meanwhile Europe still leans heavily on the U.S. for protection from Russia and it's allies.

 

[g5000]

Let us have two federal governments. You get yours and we get ours. Our government has mostly your imprints on it. We have huge payouts to people. And if some do not get it, it will be fighting time. Cause that is what they will do as people feel they are owed. You have not told us anything you will do with specifics except impeachapalooza in the next election. The stupid feminist shills are destroying us. And in the end, themselves.

Despite my posting HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS, of times detailed specifics of my political beliefs, they clearly have not penetrated your thick pointy skull. You exist in a delusional alternate reality, like the rest of the Trump cult.

My government would be much smaller and leaner and, most importantly, smarter than your cult's government by orders of magnitude.

I would also make moral rectitude the first hurdle on the path to governance. That's actually the way it used to be in the GOP, and one of the reasons I joined up long ago.

But that is the FIRST ******* THING you submissive little cucks tossed out the window as you chose your orange god over 18 other candidates, any one of whom was leagues and leagues superior to this ignorant bullying thieving moron.

 

[IM2]

A real point as well. The famous Russian Generals January and February really did a number on the NAZIs.

They sure did.

 

[IM2]

This fact makes you an America hater, dontcha know.

Of course. You can't be American if you study facts.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

**** you. I'm a retired veteran, dipshit. A Cold Warrior. Why the **** do you think I have been trying to tell you morons that Trump is a puppet of the mass murdering war criminal Stalinist KGB thug?

I am also a veteran of the cold war and know history, NATO needs us we do the heavy lifting. The NATO members disregarded the military for the last 50 years. depending on us to defend them. As soon as they take their defense serious we will.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Without the Soviets, Germany would have been able to throw us back from the waterfront in Normandy.

This is simple historical fact, and the sole reason we provided logistical support to the Soviets.

It's all about strategic bedfellows.

they only survived to beat them BECAUSE of us. without our food they starve, without our trucks, jeeps, railroad equipment they would have had no strategic movement or motorized corps to fight. Without our war equipment they wouldn't have beaten the Germans at Stalingrad or anywhere else.

 

[AntonToo]

Trump Says We've Never Needed NATO​

He's not wrong.

NATO was always an immense welfare program for both the Euros (so they could expand their lavish handout state) and the Murican MIC.

Trumptard ignoramuses like you don't even know what NATO is.

Most of "NATO budget" is just individual country spending on THEIR OWN millitary.

NATO's direct institutional budget is about 5 billion dollars and only 15% of that is funded by US.

Funding NATO

When the North Atlantic Council – NATO's top political decision-making body – unanimously decides to engage in an operation or mission, there is no obligation for each and every member to contribute unless it is an Article 5 collective defence operation, in which case expectations are different...

www.nato.int

 

[kyzr]

You clearly do not understand the meaning of a military tripwire.
Did you bleev our troops in West Berlin would have successfully halted a Russian invasion?
Nope. They were sacrificial lambs. A tripwire.
Just as the NATO troops in Greenland were.

Those troops were not a "tripwire". Any US troops entering Denmark territory without an invitation was an Article 5 tripwire.
If Russian troops entered Poland, would they have to shoot someone to trigger Article 5?

It will be to our eternal shame that Trump brought the world to this point.

Nonsense. The only eternal shame is on Never-Trumpers for allowing Biden to be elected.

Trump has not only been the worst president ever. He has now succeeded in making such a black mark that the next hundred presidents will be unable to perform worse than him. He will forever be at the bottom of the list.

Nonsense. Trump is fixing the US after the mess Biden and democrats made.
You type lies without specifics. What is a "black mark"? A phenomenal economy? An amazing military? Actually doing a real wide-ranging press conferences and answering every question? Getting NATO to build military capability?

 

[Independent thinker]

If it wasn't for the United States entering WWII we would all be speaking German.

I've said this time and time again. The entire planet owes Japan a huge debt of gratitude for bombing Pearl Harbor.

 

[Rogue AI]

You don't think that was possible?

No, it was not possible.