Trump says "growth" will pay for the tax cuts... and here is how!

[healthmyths]

A consumer economy works best with people working and consuming, thus circulating capital in the economy.

Your point? The rich already get a capital gains preference to create Jobs Booms.

Do you understand what "capital gains" tax is?
Here is some help...
A capital gains tax (CGT) is a tax on capital gains, the profit realized on the sale of a non-inventory asset that was purchased at a cost amount that was lower than the amount realized on the sale. The most common capital gains are realized from the sale of stocks, bonds, precious metals and property
Capital gains tax - Wikipedia
Capital gains tax - Wikipedia

So where does "SELLING" an asset create jobs?
I mean using your perception of the evil rich capitalist, you most likely think they bury that money left after paying the capital gains tax in the back yard or most likely
you think they put it under their mattress. Is that your perception of the evil rich capitalist? Buries the money or hides it under the mattress. Right???

It is not treated as ordinary income, for a reason. Job creating investment, is usually the reason. If that is not the reason; there really is no reason for that tax preference.

Where in my comment was any mention of "ordinary income"?

NOW here is the reason for "capital gains" NOT taxed as ordinary income! NOT ME but the experts explain. OK???

But it’s not that simple. There are compelling reasons to treat capital gains differently than other earnings.

For one thing, taxes on investment earnings effectively double-tax that income.
Labor income is taxed when it is earned, and investments are generally made out of after-tax earnings—
so capital-gains levies represent another bite out of an investor’s money.
In effect, the system punishes those who put their money to work. Raising the capital-gains tax rate would just make the punishment that much more drastic.
Is It Fair to Tax Capital Gains at Lower Rates Than Earned Income?

NOW let me explain that cause in appears it might be too complicated for you.
How did the person who has a capital gains tax GET the money that was invested in the first place?
Almost all of it comes from the person who WORKED first, then paid taxes on the income as "ordinary income".
Then what was left the person invested.... again after having paid the "INCOME" tax.
So it was not fair for the person who already paid a tax on their wages to then pay a tax again on capital gains where the person had invested AFTER tax savings!

Now another reason:
Labor income is taxed as it is earned, so there’s no meaningful difference between your nominal and inflation-adjusted earnings. With a capital investment held over time, though, there can be a big difference between the nominal and real capital gain, with much of the nominal gain simply reflecting inflation.
So the "gains" were over time when a portion of the "gains" were from inflation.
Do you understand?

Finally NO where in the above experts explanation of the reason for lower capital gains tax was there any mention of encouraging job building!

Again... do a little research as I did and you'll have a better understanding and not make such hyperbolic, anxiety driven statements!

There is no reason for that tax preference, if there is no Jobs Boom for the rest of us. It really is that simple.

NO it is grossly unfair to do double taxation.
Do you comprehend this?
A) The person paying a capital gains tax is being taxed on money that the person already paid income taxes.
Here let me make simple for you.
Step one. You get paid a salary of $100,000 out of which you pay income taxes.
Now after spending money on living expenses you have $5,000 left over. Again you've already paid INCOME taxes.
So you invest these AFTER income tax paid dollars into a mutual fund. Over the years you continue to pay in.
At some point you sell the fund shares. For say $10,000 appreciation.
So it is NOT fair to consider the $5,000 gain as ordinary income because you already paid income taxes.
Therefore it was FAIR then to pay on the $5,000 gain the capital gains tax.
Also remember that "gain" of $5,000 over what you paid in also includes inflation NOT true gain in value.
So again is it fair to pay a tax on an investment that was paid with say 1990 dollars and cashed out with inflated 2017 dollars?
I know,I know... this is WAY to complicated for you to comprehend. But hey you keep bringing up the nonsensical argument about "Jobs Boom"????
Please don't embarrass yourself!

 

[danielpalos]

Your point? The rich already get a capital gains preference to create Jobs Booms.

Do you understand what "capital gains" tax is?
Here is some help...
A capital gains tax (CGT) is a tax on capital gains, the profit realized on the sale of a non-inventory asset that was purchased at a cost amount that was lower than the amount realized on the sale. The most common capital gains are realized from the sale of stocks, bonds, precious metals and property
Capital gains tax - Wikipedia
Capital gains tax - Wikipedia

So where does "SELLING" an asset create jobs?
I mean using your perception of the evil rich capitalist, you most likely think they bury that money left after paying the capital gains tax in the back yard or most likely
you think they put it under their mattress. Is that your perception of the evil rich capitalist? Buries the money or hides it under the mattress. Right???

It is not treated as ordinary income, for a reason. Job creating investment, is usually the reason. If that is not the reason; there really is no reason for that tax preference.

Where in my comment was any mention of "ordinary income"?

NOW here is the reason for "capital gains" NOT taxed as ordinary income! NOT ME but the experts explain. OK???

But it’s not that simple. There are compelling reasons to treat capital gains differently than other earnings.

For one thing, taxes on investment earnings effectively double-tax that income.
Labor income is taxed when it is earned, and investments are generally made out of after-tax earnings—
so capital-gains levies represent another bite out of an investor’s money.
In effect, the system punishes those who put their money to work. Raising the capital-gains tax rate would just make the punishment that much more drastic.
Is It Fair to Tax Capital Gains at Lower Rates Than Earned Income?

NOW let me explain that cause in appears it might be too complicated for you.
How did the person who has a capital gains tax GET the money that was invested in the first place?
Almost all of it comes from the person who WORKED first, then paid taxes on the income as "ordinary income".
Then what was left the person invested.... again after having paid the "INCOME" tax.
So it was not fair for the person who already paid a tax on their wages to then pay a tax again on capital gains where the person had invested AFTER tax savings!

Now another reason:
Labor income is taxed as it is earned, so there’s no meaningful difference between your nominal and inflation-adjusted earnings. With a capital investment held over time, though, there can be a big difference between the nominal and real capital gain, with much of the nominal gain simply reflecting inflation.
So the "gains" were over time when a portion of the "gains" were from inflation.
Do you understand?

Finally NO where in the above experts explanation of the reason for lower capital gains tax was there any mention of encouraging job building!

Again... do a little research as I did and you'll have a better understanding and not make such hyperbolic, anxiety driven statements!

There is no reason for that tax preference, if there is no Jobs Boom for the rest of us. It really is that simple.

NO it is grossly unfair to do double taxation.
Do you comprehend this?
A) The person paying a capital gains tax is being taxed on money that the person already paid income taxes.
Here let me make simple for you.
Step one. You get paid a salary of $100,000 out of which you pay income taxes.
Now after spending money on living expenses you have $5,000 left over. Again you've already paid INCOME taxes.
So you invest these AFTER income tax paid dollars into a mutual fund. Over the years you continue to pay in.
At some point you sell the fund shares. For say $10,000 appreciation.
So it is NOT fair to consider the $5,000 gain as ordinary income because you already paid income taxes.
Therefore it was FAIR then to pay on the $5,000 gain the capital gains tax.
Also remember that "gain" of $5,000 over what you paid in also includes inflation NOT true gain in value.
So again is it fair to pay a tax on an investment that was paid with say 1990 dollars and cashed out with inflated 2017 dollars?
I know,I know... this is WAY to complicated for you to comprehend. But hey you keep bringing up the nonsensical argument about "Jobs Boom"????
Please don't embarrass yourself!

No it isn't. Capital gains income is not taxed at ordinary labor rates, and no work ethic from the Age of iron is required.

 

[healthmyths]

Do you understand what "capital gains" tax is?
Here is some help...
A capital gains tax (CGT) is a tax on capital gains, the profit realized on the sale of a non-inventory asset that was purchased at a cost amount that was lower than the amount realized on the sale. The most common capital gains are realized from the sale of stocks, bonds, precious metals and property
Capital gains tax - Wikipedia
Capital gains tax - Wikipedia

So where does "SELLING" an asset create jobs?
I mean using your perception of the evil rich capitalist, you most likely think they bury that money left after paying the capital gains tax in the back yard or most likely
you think they put it under their mattress. Is that your perception of the evil rich capitalist? Buries the money or hides it under the mattress. Right???

It is not treated as ordinary income, for a reason. Job creating investment, is usually the reason. If that is not the reason; there really is no reason for that tax preference.

Where in my comment was any mention of "ordinary income"?

NOW here is the reason for "capital gains" NOT taxed as ordinary income! NOT ME but the experts explain. OK???

But it’s not that simple. There are compelling reasons to treat capital gains differently than other earnings.

For one thing, taxes on investment earnings effectively double-tax that income.
Labor income is taxed when it is earned, and investments are generally made out of after-tax earnings—
so capital-gains levies represent another bite out of an investor’s money.
In effect, the system punishes those who put their money to work. Raising the capital-gains tax rate would just make the punishment that much more drastic.
Is It Fair to Tax Capital Gains at Lower Rates Than Earned Income?

NOW let me explain that cause in appears it might be too complicated for you.
How did the person who has a capital gains tax GET the money that was invested in the first place?
Almost all of it comes from the person who WORKED first, then paid taxes on the income as "ordinary income".
Then what was left the person invested.... again after having paid the "INCOME" tax.
So it was not fair for the person who already paid a tax on their wages to then pay a tax again on capital gains where the person had invested AFTER tax savings!

Now another reason:
Labor income is taxed as it is earned, so there’s no meaningful difference between your nominal and inflation-adjusted earnings. With a capital investment held over time, though, there can be a big difference between the nominal and real capital gain, with much of the nominal gain simply reflecting inflation.
So the "gains" were over time when a portion of the "gains" were from inflation.
Do you understand?

Finally NO where in the above experts explanation of the reason for lower capital gains tax was there any mention of encouraging job building!

Again... do a little research as I did and you'll have a better understanding and not make such hyperbolic, anxiety driven statements!

There is no reason for that tax preference, if there is no Jobs Boom for the rest of us. It really is that simple.

NO it is grossly unfair to do double taxation.
Do you comprehend this?
A) The person paying a capital gains tax is being taxed on money that the person already paid income taxes.
Here let me make simple for you.
Step one. You get paid a salary of $100,000 out of which you pay income taxes.
Now after spending money on living expenses you have $5,000 left over. Again you've already paid INCOME taxes.
So you invest these AFTER income tax paid dollars into a mutual fund. Over the years you continue to pay in.
At some point you sell the fund shares. For say $10,000 appreciation.
So it is NOT fair to consider the $5,000 gain as ordinary income because you already paid income taxes.
Therefore it was FAIR then to pay on the $5,000 gain the capital gains tax.
Also remember that "gain" of $5,000 over what you paid in also includes inflation NOT true gain in value.
So again is it fair to pay a tax on an investment that was paid with say 1990 dollars and cashed out with inflated 2017 dollars?
I know,I know... this is WAY to complicated for you to comprehend. But hey you keep bringing up the nonsensical argument about "Jobs Boom"????
Please don't embarrass yourself!

No it isn't. Capital gains income is not taxed at ordinary labor rates, and no work ethic from the Age of iron is required.

So you agree. Capital gains income is NOT ordinary income earned by a laborer working for an employer who pays for the employee. OK? We both agree.
So when you use excess money and say invest in a company start up and over the years the start up succeeds. The original investment on which the
person paid INCOME taxes increases in value.
At this point the individual that used AFTER TAX money to invest actually is triple taxed!
A) The left over money after the employee paid income tax is invested. First Federal tax.
B) The capital invested into the company is used initially to pay employees AND employee SS/Medicare and any income taxes the company has to pay. Taxed again!
C) Finally when employee investment appreciates in value and employee sells, the gain is taxed at "capital gains" rate. The third Federal Tax on the employee!

You are conflating issues when you say "no work ethic" is required.
The "work ethic" had nothing to do with the employee using after tax money to buy stock and the investment returns appreciation which is taxed again.
Triple taxation is grossly unfair to anyone and has NOTHING to do with "work ethic".

 

[danielpalos]

It is not treated as ordinary income, for a reason. Job creating investment, is usually the reason. If that is not the reason; there really is no reason for that tax preference.

Where in my comment was any mention of "ordinary income"?

NOW here is the reason for "capital gains" NOT taxed as ordinary income! NOT ME but the experts explain. OK???

But it’s not that simple. There are compelling reasons to treat capital gains differently than other earnings.

For one thing, taxes on investment earnings effectively double-tax that income.
Labor income is taxed when it is earned, and investments are generally made out of after-tax earnings—
so capital-gains levies represent another bite out of an investor’s money.
In effect, the system punishes those who put their money to work. Raising the capital-gains tax rate would just make the punishment that much more drastic.
Is It Fair to Tax Capital Gains at Lower Rates Than Earned Income?

NOW let me explain that cause in appears it might be too complicated for you.
How did the person who has a capital gains tax GET the money that was invested in the first place?
Almost all of it comes from the person who WORKED first, then paid taxes on the income as "ordinary income".
Then what was left the person invested.... again after having paid the "INCOME" tax.
So it was not fair for the person who already paid a tax on their wages to then pay a tax again on capital gains where the person had invested AFTER tax savings!

Now another reason:
Labor income is taxed as it is earned, so there’s no meaningful difference between your nominal and inflation-adjusted earnings. With a capital investment held over time, though, there can be a big difference between the nominal and real capital gain, with much of the nominal gain simply reflecting inflation.
So the "gains" were over time when a portion of the "gains" were from inflation.
Do you understand?

Finally NO where in the above experts explanation of the reason for lower capital gains tax was there any mention of encouraging job building!

Again... do a little research as I did and you'll have a better understanding and not make such hyperbolic, anxiety driven statements!

There is no reason for that tax preference, if there is no Jobs Boom for the rest of us. It really is that simple.

NO it is grossly unfair to do double taxation.
Do you comprehend this?
A) The person paying a capital gains tax is being taxed on money that the person already paid income taxes.
Here let me make simple for you.
Step one. You get paid a salary of $100,000 out of which you pay income taxes.
Now after spending money on living expenses you have $5,000 left over. Again you've already paid INCOME taxes.
So you invest these AFTER income tax paid dollars into a mutual fund. Over the years you continue to pay in.
At some point you sell the fund shares. For say $10,000 appreciation.
So it is NOT fair to consider the $5,000 gain as ordinary income because you already paid income taxes.
Therefore it was FAIR then to pay on the $5,000 gain the capital gains tax.
Also remember that "gain" of $5,000 over what you paid in also includes inflation NOT true gain in value.
So again is it fair to pay a tax on an investment that was paid with say 1990 dollars and cashed out with inflated 2017 dollars?
I know,I know... this is WAY to complicated for you to comprehend. But hey you keep bringing up the nonsensical argument about "Jobs Boom"????
Please don't embarrass yourself!

No it isn't. Capital gains income is not taxed at ordinary labor rates, and no work ethic from the Age of iron is required.

So you agree. Capital gains income is NOT ordinary income earned by a laborer working for an employer who pays for the employee. OK? We both agree.
So when you use excess money and say invest in a company start up and over the years the start up succeeds. The original investment on which the
person paid INCOME taxes increases in value.
At this point the individual that used AFTER TAX money to invest actually is triple taxed!
A) The left over money after the employee paid income tax is invested. First Federal tax.
B) The capital invested into the company is used initially to pay employees AND employee SS/Medicare and any income taxes the company has to pay. Taxed again!
C) Finally when employee investment appreciates in value and employee sells, the gain is taxed at "capital gains" rate. The third Federal Tax on the employee!

You are conflating issues when you say "no work ethic" is required.
The "work ethic" had nothing to do with the employee using after tax money to buy stock and the investment returns appreciation which is taxed again.
Triple taxation is grossly unfair to anyone and has NOTHING to do with "work ethic".

My point is that we should end the "work tax" for Labor, and end the capital gains distinction as too much socialism, for the rich.

 

[healthmyths]

Where in my comment was any mention of "ordinary income"?

NOW here is the reason for "capital gains" NOT taxed as ordinary income! NOT ME but the experts explain. OK???

But it’s not that simple. There are compelling reasons to treat capital gains differently than other earnings.

For one thing, taxes on investment earnings effectively double-tax that income.
Labor income is taxed when it is earned, and investments are generally made out of after-tax earnings—
so capital-gains levies represent another bite out of an investor’s money.
In effect, the system punishes those who put their money to work. Raising the capital-gains tax rate would just make the punishment that much more drastic.
Is It Fair to Tax Capital Gains at Lower Rates Than Earned Income?

NOW let me explain that cause in appears it might be too complicated for you.
How did the person who has a capital gains tax GET the money that was invested in the first place?
Almost all of it comes from the person who WORKED first, then paid taxes on the income as "ordinary income".
Then what was left the person invested.... again after having paid the "INCOME" tax.
So it was not fair for the person who already paid a tax on their wages to then pay a tax again on capital gains where the person had invested AFTER tax savings!

Now another reason:
Labor income is taxed as it is earned, so there’s no meaningful difference between your nominal and inflation-adjusted earnings. With a capital investment held over time, though, there can be a big difference between the nominal and real capital gain, with much of the nominal gain simply reflecting inflation.
So the "gains" were over time when a portion of the "gains" were from inflation.
Do you understand?

Finally NO where in the above experts explanation of the reason for lower capital gains tax was there any mention of encouraging job building!

Again... do a little research as I did and you'll have a better understanding and not make such hyperbolic, anxiety driven statements!

There is no reason for that tax preference, if there is no Jobs Boom for the rest of us. It really is that simple.

NO it is grossly unfair to do double taxation.
Do you comprehend this?
A) The person paying a capital gains tax is being taxed on money that the person already paid income taxes.
Here let me make simple for you.
Step one. You get paid a salary of $100,000 out of which you pay income taxes.
Now after spending money on living expenses you have $5,000 left over. Again you've already paid INCOME taxes.
So you invest these AFTER income tax paid dollars into a mutual fund. Over the years you continue to pay in.
At some point you sell the fund shares. For say $10,000 appreciation.
So it is NOT fair to consider the $5,000 gain as ordinary income because you already paid income taxes.
Therefore it was FAIR then to pay on the $5,000 gain the capital gains tax.
Also remember that "gain" of $5,000 over what you paid in also includes inflation NOT true gain in value.
So again is it fair to pay a tax on an investment that was paid with say 1990 dollars and cashed out with inflated 2017 dollars?
I know,I know... this is WAY to complicated for you to comprehend. But hey you keep bringing up the nonsensical argument about "Jobs Boom"????
Please don't embarrass yourself!

No it isn't. Capital gains income is not taxed at ordinary labor rates, and no work ethic from the Age of iron is required.

So you agree. Capital gains income is NOT ordinary income earned by a laborer working for an employer who pays for the employee. OK? We both agree.
So when you use excess money and say invest in a company start up and over the years the start up succeeds. The original investment on which the
person paid INCOME taxes increases in value.
At this point the individual that used AFTER TAX money to invest actually is triple taxed!
A) The left over money after the employee paid income tax is invested. First Federal tax.
B) The capital invested into the company is used initially to pay employees AND employee SS/Medicare and any income taxes the company has to pay. Taxed again!
C) Finally when employee investment appreciates in value and employee sells, the gain is taxed at "capital gains" rate. The third Federal Tax on the employee!

You are conflating issues when you say "no work ethic" is required.
The "work ethic" had nothing to do with the employee using after tax money to buy stock and the investment returns appreciation which is taxed again.
Triple taxation is grossly unfair to anyone and has NOTHING to do with "work ethic".

My point is that we should end the "work tax" for Labor, and end the capital gains distinction as too much socialism, for the rich.

Socialism for the rich?
You do realize if you have an IRA, or a pension from your employer YOU are benefitting from capital gains tax?
You do realize if you sell your home and keep the appreciation YOU will be paying the "capital gains" tax of 15%?

What is this absolutely idiotic disgusting loathing of the "rich"???
Why are you so juvenile in being jealous?
Why don't YOU do something to become "rich"? How many "rich" people were there i.e. say "millionaires" in America in 1870?

In 1870 there were around 100 millionaires in a population of 38,558,371... or a ratio of one millionaire for every 385,583 Americans.
https://books.google.com/booksid=NI...850 how many people were millionaires&f=false

At the end of 2011, 11 million millionaires of a population of 311,700,000 or ratio of 1 millionaire for every 28 americans!
Millionaire - Wikipedia

What is your problem? How sad you can't be motivated to be better then you are!

 

[danielpalos]

There is no reason for that tax preference, if there is no Jobs Boom for the rest of us. It really is that simple.

NO it is grossly unfair to do double taxation.
Do you comprehend this?
A) The person paying a capital gains tax is being taxed on money that the person already paid income taxes.
Here let me make simple for you.
Step one. You get paid a salary of $100,000 out of which you pay income taxes.
Now after spending money on living expenses you have $5,000 left over. Again you've already paid INCOME taxes.
So you invest these AFTER income tax paid dollars into a mutual fund. Over the years you continue to pay in.
At some point you sell the fund shares. For say $10,000 appreciation.
So it is NOT fair to consider the $5,000 gain as ordinary income because you already paid income taxes.
Therefore it was FAIR then to pay on the $5,000 gain the capital gains tax.
Also remember that "gain" of $5,000 over what you paid in also includes inflation NOT true gain in value.
So again is it fair to pay a tax on an investment that was paid with say 1990 dollars and cashed out with inflated 2017 dollars?
I know,I know... this is WAY to complicated for you to comprehend. But hey you keep bringing up the nonsensical argument about "Jobs Boom"????
Please don't embarrass yourself!

No it isn't. Capital gains income is not taxed at ordinary labor rates, and no work ethic from the Age of iron is required.

So you agree. Capital gains income is NOT ordinary income earned by a laborer working for an employer who pays for the employee. OK? We both agree.
So when you use excess money and say invest in a company start up and over the years the start up succeeds. The original investment on which the
person paid INCOME taxes increases in value.
At this point the individual that used AFTER TAX money to invest actually is triple taxed!
A) The left over money after the employee paid income tax is invested. First Federal tax.
B) The capital invested into the company is used initially to pay employees AND employee SS/Medicare and any income taxes the company has to pay. Taxed again!
C) Finally when employee investment appreciates in value and employee sells, the gain is taxed at "capital gains" rate. The third Federal Tax on the employee!

You are conflating issues when you say "no work ethic" is required.
The "work ethic" had nothing to do with the employee using after tax money to buy stock and the investment returns appreciation which is taxed again.
Triple taxation is grossly unfair to anyone and has NOTHING to do with "work ethic".

My point is that we should end the "work tax" for Labor, and end the capital gains distinction as too much socialism, for the rich.

Socialism for the rich?
You do realize if you have an IRA, or a pension from your employer YOU are benefitting from capital gains tax?
You do realize if you sell your home and keep the appreciation YOU will be paying the "capital gains" tax of 15%?

What is this absolutely idiotic disgusting loathing of the "rich"???
Why are you so juvenile in being jealous?
Why don't YOU do something to become "rich"? How many "rich" people were there i.e. say "millionaires" in America in 1870?

In 1870 there were around 100 millionaires in a population of 38,558,371... or a ratio of one millionaire for every 385,583 Americans.
https://books.google.com/booksid=NIOx3DQdSeUC&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=in+1850+how+many+people+were+millionaires&source=bl&ots=aMjDIiUKI2&sig=GMD49xzhCmXL16bARrAcgDqfug&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSm73AhcrTAhXoz4MKHT4rB0kQ6AEIUzAH#v=onepage&q=in 1850 how many people were millionaires&f=false

At the end of 2011, 11 million millionaires of a population of 311,700,000 or ratio of 1 millionaire for every 28 americans!
Millionaire - Wikipedia

What is your problem? How sad you can't be motivated to be better then you are!

The poor do not realize as much marginal utility from a capital gains preference to make that much of a difference. The rich should not get that preference, when our debt is growing. We should be running massive federal budget surpluses, with little to no debt, if we use the "micro economics" paradigm.

 

[Aries]

President Trump: Economic growth is going to pay for new tax cuts
Trump: Economic growth is going to pay for new tax cuts

So to those economically challenged people here are some FACTS to back up Trump's statement.
First of all understand why companies were hesitate to hire. Here are some actual statements!

They have realized that it’s very expensive to hire and very expensive to make a mistake, and they’re less willing to take a risk,” says Jeanne Branthover, managing partner of DHR International, an executive search firm. “Before 2007, my clients were hiring and firing and not thinking about it.”

So with Obamacare forcing more payments especially companies under 50 employees and the owner
NOT wanting to encounter higher expenses by hiring the 50th employee... because why?
.."it’s very expensive to hire and very expensive to make a mistake,

So how many people will be added because with Trump's loosening the rules and regulations, by lowering taxes, by encouraging repatriation of the nearly $3 Trillion offshore here are some of the contributions
to how the tax cuts will be paid for by "GROWTH"!!!

About 5.5 million Americans are not in the labor force — and so not counted among the unemployed — but still want a job now, up from 4.3 million before the recession, the Labor Department says. Simply put, Van Horn says, the occasional job searches by those laid off in the downturn creates more competition for jobs among the long-term unemployed.
Yet a growing number of companies that had been reluctant to bring on the long-term unemployed are more willing to offer them temporary jobs initially or training, says Paul McDonald, senior executive director of staffing firm Robert Half.
Out of work for six months or more? Here's why you can't find a job

5.5 million Americans.. that want a job but because of the above, can't find them.
NOW with corporate taxes cut from 35 to 15% employers have a little more leeway in making hiring
mistakes. With repeal of Obamacare that employer who hesitated to hire the 50th employee will hire!
After all the employer makes more money when more products are made...right?

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I dunno.....more than 3 lines is a tax on my attention span.

Trumps too, that's why he can't read an intelligence briefing.

 

[healthmyths]

NO it is grossly unfair to do double taxation.
Do you comprehend this?
A) The person paying a capital gains tax is being taxed on money that the person already paid income taxes.
Here let me make simple for you.
Step one. You get paid a salary of $100,000 out of which you pay income taxes.
Now after spending money on living expenses you have $5,000 left over. Again you've already paid INCOME taxes.
So you invest these AFTER income tax paid dollars into a mutual fund. Over the years you continue to pay in.
At some point you sell the fund shares. For say $10,000 appreciation.
So it is NOT fair to consider the $5,000 gain as ordinary income because you already paid income taxes.
Therefore it was FAIR then to pay on the $5,000 gain the capital gains tax.
Also remember that "gain" of $5,000 over what you paid in also includes inflation NOT true gain in value.
So again is it fair to pay a tax on an investment that was paid with say 1990 dollars and cashed out with inflated 2017 dollars?
I know,I know... this is WAY to complicated for you to comprehend. But hey you keep bringing up the nonsensical argument about "Jobs Boom"????
Please don't embarrass yourself!

No it isn't. Capital gains income is not taxed at ordinary labor rates, and no work ethic from the Age of iron is required.

So you agree. Capital gains income is NOT ordinary income earned by a laborer working for an employer who pays for the employee. OK? We both agree.
So when you use excess money and say invest in a company start up and over the years the start up succeeds. The original investment on which the
person paid INCOME taxes increases in value.
At this point the individual that used AFTER TAX money to invest actually is triple taxed!
A) The left over money after the employee paid income tax is invested. First Federal tax.
B) The capital invested into the company is used initially to pay employees AND employee SS/Medicare and any income taxes the company has to pay. Taxed again!
C) Finally when employee investment appreciates in value and employee sells, the gain is taxed at "capital gains" rate. The third Federal Tax on the employee!

You are conflating issues when you say "no work ethic" is required.
The "work ethic" had nothing to do with the employee using after tax money to buy stock and the investment returns appreciation which is taxed again.
Triple taxation is grossly unfair to anyone and has NOTHING to do with "work ethic".

My point is that we should end the "work tax" for Labor, and end the capital gains distinction as too much socialism, for the rich.

Socialism for the rich?
You do realize if you have an IRA, or a pension from your employer YOU are benefitting from capital gains tax?
You do realize if you sell your home and keep the appreciation YOU will be paying the "capital gains" tax of 15%?

What is this absolutely idiotic disgusting loathing of the "rich"???
Why are you so juvenile in being jealous?
Why don't YOU do something to become "rich"? How many "rich" people were there i.e. say "millionaires" in America in 1870?

In 1870 there were around 100 millionaires in a population of 38,558,371... or a ratio of one millionaire for every 385,583 Americans.
https://books.google.com/booksid=NIOx3DQdSeUC&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=in+1850+how+many+people+were+millionaires&source=bl&ots=aMjDIiUKI2&sig=GMD49xzhCmXL16bARrAcgDqfug&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSm73AhcrTAhXoz4MKHT4rB0kQ6AEIUzAH#v=onepage&q=in 1850 how many people were millionaires&f=false

At the end of 2011, 11 million millionaires of a population of 311,700,000 or ratio of 1 millionaire for every 28 americans!
Millionaire - Wikipedia

What is your problem? How sad you can't be motivated to be better then you are!

The poor do not realize as much marginal utility from a capital gains preference to make that much of a difference. The rich should not get that preference, when our debt is growing. We should be running massive federal budget surpluses, with little to no debt, if we use the "micro economics" paradigm.

So all you do is spout YOUR totally uninformed opinion. You don't back any of your comments with supporting links.

You totally ignored the fact that 1 out of 28 Americans is categorized as a "millionaire" and many may utilize the capital gains.
Why are people like you so hateful of people like me and the others that don't begrudge or are jealous of these people that utilize "capital gains"?

The "poor" as you call them are richer then any of the wealthiest people in 1870!
Here are what the poor people get in this country... THANKS to those greedy bastard tax paying people that you really offend you!

So these people get:
=== $ 5,666 in Earned Income Credit i.e. a check from Uncle Sam instead of paying they get a check!!!
Tax Foundation
=== $12,000 free housing , Section 8 will pay up to $1,000/month www.affordablehousingonline.com/section8housing.asp
=== $ 2,400 free food,
=== $ 1,200 in free cell phone plus :http://www.adttel.com/?gclid=CLex4IamjKQCFY5a7AodrCHlHw
=== $ 5,000 a year in free health care from Medicaid.
So this is about $26,000 a year in FREE MONEY, free goods and free services...
it cost $75.7 billion in 2011 compared to $35 billion in 2008; and enrollment has hit an all-time high of 46.7 million recipients.
Meanwhile, the number of children receiving free school lunches has inflated from 18 to 21 million — an unprecedented jump —
about 2.1 million households (6 million) use Section 8 the Housing Choice Voucher program
Stock quotes, financial tools, news and analysis - MSN Money

 

[danielpalos]

No it isn't. Capital gains income is not taxed at ordinary labor rates, and no work ethic from the Age of iron is required.

So you agree. Capital gains income is NOT ordinary income earned by a laborer working for an employer who pays for the employee. OK? We both agree.
So when you use excess money and say invest in a company start up and over the years the start up succeeds. The original investment on which the
person paid INCOME taxes increases in value.
At this point the individual that used AFTER TAX money to invest actually is triple taxed!
A) The left over money after the employee paid income tax is invested. First Federal tax.
B) The capital invested into the company is used initially to pay employees AND employee SS/Medicare and any income taxes the company has to pay. Taxed again!
C) Finally when employee investment appreciates in value and employee sells, the gain is taxed at "capital gains" rate. The third Federal Tax on the employee!

You are conflating issues when you say "no work ethic" is required.
The "work ethic" had nothing to do with the employee using after tax money to buy stock and the investment returns appreciation which is taxed again.
Triple taxation is grossly unfair to anyone and has NOTHING to do with "work ethic".

My point is that we should end the "work tax" for Labor, and end the capital gains distinction as too much socialism, for the rich.

Socialism for the rich?
You do realize if you have an IRA, or a pension from your employer YOU are benefitting from capital gains tax?
You do realize if you sell your home and keep the appreciation YOU will be paying the "capital gains" tax of 15%?

What is this absolutely idiotic disgusting loathing of the "rich"???
Why are you so juvenile in being jealous?
Why don't YOU do something to become "rich"? How many "rich" people were there i.e. say "millionaires" in America in 1870?

In 1870 there were around 100 millionaires in a population of 38,558,371... or a ratio of one millionaire for every 385,583 Americans.
https://books.google.com/booksid=NIOx3DQdSeUC&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=in+1850+how+many+people+were+millionaires&source=bl&ots=aMjDIiUKI2&sig=GMD49xzhCmXL16bARrAcgDqfug&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSm73AhcrTAhXoz4MKHT4rB0kQ6AEIUzAH#v=onepage&q=in 1850 how many people were millionaires&f=false

At the end of 2011, 11 million millionaires of a population of 311,700,000 or ratio of 1 millionaire for every 28 americans!
Millionaire - Wikipedia

What is your problem? How sad you can't be motivated to be better then you are!

The poor do not realize as much marginal utility from a capital gains preference to make that much of a difference. The rich should not get that preference, when our debt is growing. We should be running massive federal budget surpluses, with little to no debt, if we use the "micro economics" paradigm.

So all you do is spout YOUR totally uninformed opinion. You don't back any of your comments with supporting links.

You totally ignored the fact that 1 out of 28 Americans is categorized as a "millionaire" and many may utilize the capital gains.
Why are people like you so hateful of people like me and the others that don't begrudge or are jealous of these people that utilize "capital gains"?

The "poor" as you call them are richer then any of the wealthiest people in 1870!
Here are what the poor people get in this country... THANKS to those greedy bastard tax paying people that you really offend you!

So these people get:
=== $ 5,666 in Earned Income Credit i.e. a check from Uncle Sam instead of paying they get a check!!!
Tax Foundation
=== $12,000 free housing , Section 8 will pay up to $1,000/month www.affordablehousingonline.com/section8housing.asp
=== $ 2,400 free food,
=== $ 1,200 in free cell phone plus :http://www.adttel.com/?gclid=CLex4IamjKQCFY5a7AodrCHlHw
=== $ 5,000 a year in free health care from Medicaid.
So this is about $26,000 a year in FREE MONEY, free goods and free services...
it cost $75.7 billion in 2011 compared to $35 billion in 2008; and enrollment has hit an all-time high of 46.7 million recipients.
Meanwhile, the number of children receiving free school lunches has inflated from 18 to 21 million — an unprecedented jump —
about 2.1 million households (6 million) use Section 8 the Housing Choice Voucher program
Stock quotes, financial tools, news and analysis - MSN Money

I am referring Only to the One Percent. Why do they, need a tax break?

 

[healthmyths]

So you agree. Capital gains income is NOT ordinary income earned by a laborer working for an employer who pays for the employee. OK? We both agree.
So when you use excess money and say invest in a company start up and over the years the start up succeeds. The original investment on which the
person paid INCOME taxes increases in value.
At this point the individual that used AFTER TAX money to invest actually is triple taxed!
A) The left over money after the employee paid income tax is invested. First Federal tax.
B) The capital invested into the company is used initially to pay employees AND employee SS/Medicare and any income taxes the company has to pay. Taxed again!
C) Finally when employee investment appreciates in value and employee sells, the gain is taxed at "capital gains" rate. The third Federal Tax on the employee!

You are conflating issues when you say "no work ethic" is required.
The "work ethic" had nothing to do with the employee using after tax money to buy stock and the investment returns appreciation which is taxed again.
Triple taxation is grossly unfair to anyone and has NOTHING to do with "work ethic".

My point is that we should end the "work tax" for Labor, and end the capital gains distinction as too much socialism, for the rich.

Socialism for the rich?
You do realize if you have an IRA, or a pension from your employer YOU are benefitting from capital gains tax?
You do realize if you sell your home and keep the appreciation YOU will be paying the "capital gains" tax of 15%?

What is this absolutely idiotic disgusting loathing of the "rich"???
Why are you so juvenile in being jealous?
Why don't YOU do something to become "rich"? How many "rich" people were there i.e. say "millionaires" in America in 1870?

In 1870 there were around 100 millionaires in a population of 38,558,371... or a ratio of one millionaire for every 385,583 Americans.
https://books.google.com/booksid=NIOx3DQdSeUC&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=in+1850+how+many+people+were+millionaires&source=bl&ots=aMjDIiUKI2&sig=GMD49xzhCmXL16bARrAcgDqfug&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSm73AhcrTAhXoz4MKHT4rB0kQ6AEIUzAH#v=onepage&q=in 1850 how many people were millionaires&f=false

At the end of 2011, 11 million millionaires of a population of 311,700,000 or ratio of 1 millionaire for every 28 americans!
Millionaire - Wikipedia

What is your problem? How sad you can't be motivated to be better then you are!

The poor do not realize as much marginal utility from a capital gains preference to make that much of a difference. The rich should not get that preference, when our debt is growing. We should be running massive federal budget surpluses, with little to no debt, if we use the "micro economics" paradigm.

So all you do is spout YOUR totally uninformed opinion. You don't back any of your comments with supporting links.

You totally ignored the fact that 1 out of 28 Americans is categorized as a "millionaire" and many may utilize the capital gains.
Why are people like you so hateful of people like me and the others that don't begrudge or are jealous of these people that utilize "capital gains"?

The "poor" as you call them are richer then any of the wealthiest people in 1870!
Here are what the poor people get in this country... THANKS to those greedy bastard tax paying people that you really offend you!

So these people get:
=== $ 5,666 in Earned Income Credit i.e. a check from Uncle Sam instead of paying they get a check!!!
Tax Foundation
=== $12,000 free housing , Section 8 will pay up to $1,000/month www.affordablehousingonline.com/section8housing.asp
=== $ 2,400 free food,
=== $ 1,200 in free cell phone plus :http://www.adttel.com/?gclid=CLex4IamjKQCFY5a7AodrCHlHw
=== $ 5,000 a year in free health care from Medicaid.
So this is about $26,000 a year in FREE MONEY, free goods and free services...
it cost $75.7 billion in 2011 compared to $35 billion in 2008; and enrollment has hit an all-time high of 46.7 million recipients.
Meanwhile, the number of children receiving free school lunches has inflated from 18 to 21 million — an unprecedented jump —
about 2.1 million households (6 million) use Section 8 the Housing Choice Voucher program
Stock quotes, financial tools, news and analysis - MSN Money

I am referring Only to the One Percent. Why do they, need a tax break?

So what do you think the "one percent" do with their money?
Ah... I bet you think they bury it in their back yard or under their mattress?
Really come on.
What do they do with their capital gains?
More importantly though you keep referring to paying MORE tax money. Why?
Are you that uninformed about the gigantic waste known as the Federal Government?
Here are some uses of that tax money that is being spent and frankly I prefer what these "one percenters" do with their profits!
1. The National Institute of Health’s Center for Alternative and Complimentary Medicine spent $387,000 to study the effects of Swedish massages on rabbits.
2. The Department of Interior spent $10,000 to monitor the growth rate of saltmarsh grass. In other words, the government is paying people to watch grass grow. On the bright side, they have not started paying people to watch paint dry.
3. The National Science Foundation has granted more than $200,000 to a research project that is trying to determine how and why Wikipedia is sexist. Wikipedia’s War on Woman
4. The National Institute of Health funded a study to see if mothers love dogs as much as they love kids. Regardless of the results, this experiment cost taxpayers $371,026.
5. The federal government has granted $804,254 for the development of a smartphone game called “Kiddio: Food Fight.” The game is intended to teach parents how to convince their children to try and eat new healthier food choice.
6. The National Endowment for the Humanities has provided $47,000 for undergraduate classes that teach students about laughing and humor.
7. The National Science Foundation spent $856,000 to teach mountain lions how to walk on treadmills as part of a research project whose aim was to better understand mountain lions’ instincts.

Top 7 Wackiest Examples of Wasteful Government Spending from Wastebook 2014

I'm more inclined to allow people that want to "INVEST" their money than have it wasted on teaching mountain lions how to walk on a treadmill!

 

[danielpalos]

My point is that we should end the "work tax" for Labor, and end the capital gains distinction as too much socialism, for the rich.

Socialism for the rich?
You do realize if you have an IRA, or a pension from your employer YOU are benefitting from capital gains tax?
You do realize if you sell your home and keep the appreciation YOU will be paying the "capital gains" tax of 15%?

What is this absolutely idiotic disgusting loathing of the "rich"???
Why are you so juvenile in being jealous?
Why don't YOU do something to become "rich"? How many "rich" people were there i.e. say "millionaires" in America in 1870?

In 1870 there were around 100 millionaires in a population of 38,558,371... or a ratio of one millionaire for every 385,583 Americans.
https://books.google.com/booksid=NIOx3DQdSeUC&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=in+1850+how+many+people+were+millionaires&source=bl&ots=aMjDIiUKI2&sig=GMD49xzhCmXL16bARrAcgDqfug&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSm73AhcrTAhXoz4MKHT4rB0kQ6AEIUzAH#v=onepage&q=in 1850 how many people were millionaires&f=false

At the end of 2011, 11 million millionaires of a population of 311,700,000 or ratio of 1 millionaire for every 28 americans!
Millionaire - Wikipedia

What is your problem? How sad you can't be motivated to be better then you are!

The poor do not realize as much marginal utility from a capital gains preference to make that much of a difference. The rich should not get that preference, when our debt is growing. We should be running massive federal budget surpluses, with little to no debt, if we use the "micro economics" paradigm.

So all you do is spout YOUR totally uninformed opinion. You don't back any of your comments with supporting links.

You totally ignored the fact that 1 out of 28 Americans is categorized as a "millionaire" and many may utilize the capital gains.
Why are people like you so hateful of people like me and the others that don't begrudge or are jealous of these people that utilize "capital gains"?

The "poor" as you call them are richer then any of the wealthiest people in 1870!
Here are what the poor people get in this country... THANKS to those greedy bastard tax paying people that you really offend you!

So these people get:
=== $ 5,666 in Earned Income Credit i.e. a check from Uncle Sam instead of paying they get a check!!!
Tax Foundation
=== $12,000 free housing , Section 8 will pay up to $1,000/month www.affordablehousingonline.com/section8housing.asp
=== $ 2,400 free food,
=== $ 1,200 in free cell phone plus :http://www.adttel.com/?gclid=CLex4IamjKQCFY5a7AodrCHlHw
=== $ 5,000 a year in free health care from Medicaid.
So this is about $26,000 a year in FREE MONEY, free goods and free services...
it cost $75.7 billion in 2011 compared to $35 billion in 2008; and enrollment has hit an all-time high of 46.7 million recipients.
Meanwhile, the number of children receiving free school lunches has inflated from 18 to 21 million — an unprecedented jump —
about 2.1 million households (6 million) use Section 8 the Housing Choice Voucher program
Stock quotes, financial tools, news and analysis - MSN Money

I am referring Only to the One Percent. Why do they, need a tax break?

So what do you think the "one percent" do with their money?
Ah... I bet you think they bury it in their back yard or under their mattress?
Really come on.
What do they do with their capital gains?
More importantly though you keep referring to paying MORE tax money. Why?
Are you that uninformed about the gigantic waste known as the Federal Government?
Here are some uses of that tax money that is being spent and frankly I prefer what these "one percenters" do with their profits!
1. The National Institute of Health’s Center for Alternative and Complimentary Medicine spent $387,000 to study the effects of Swedish massages on rabbits.
2. The Department of Interior spent $10,000 to monitor the growth rate of saltmarsh grass. In other words, the government is paying people to watch grass grow. On the bright side, they have not started paying people to watch paint dry.
3. The National Science Foundation has granted more than $200,000 to a research project that is trying to determine how and why Wikipedia is sexist. Wikipedia’s War on Woman
4. The National Institute of Health funded a study to see if mothers love dogs as much as they love kids. Regardless of the results, this experiment cost taxpayers $371,026.
5. The federal government has granted $804,254 for the development of a smartphone game called “Kiddio: Food Fight.” The game is intended to teach parents how to convince their children to try and eat new healthier food choice.
6. The National Endowment for the Humanities has provided $47,000 for undergraduate classes that teach students about laughing and humor.
7. The National Science Foundation spent $856,000 to teach mountain lions how to walk on treadmills as part of a research project whose aim was to better understand mountain lions’ instincts.

Top 7 Wackiest Examples of Wasteful Government Spending from Wastebook 2014

I'm more inclined to allow people that want to "INVEST" their money than have it wasted on teaching mountain lions how to walk on a treadmill!

We have massive debt and no Jobs Boom to help create a more vibrant middle class, to help pay for it.

 

[healthmyths]

Socialism for the rich?
You do realize if you have an IRA, or a pension from your employer YOU are benefitting from capital gains tax?
You do realize if you sell your home and keep the appreciation YOU will be paying the "capital gains" tax of 15%?

What is this absolutely idiotic disgusting loathing of the "rich"???
Why are you so juvenile in being jealous?
Why don't YOU do something to become "rich"? How many "rich" people were there i.e. say "millionaires" in America in 1870?

In 1870 there were around 100 millionaires in a population of 38,558,371... or a ratio of one millionaire for every 385,583 Americans.
https://books.google.com/booksid=NIOx3DQdSeUC&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=in+1850+how+many+people+were+millionaires&source=bl&ots=aMjDIiUKI2&sig=GMD49xzhCmXL16bARrAcgDqfug&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSm73AhcrTAhXoz4MKHT4rB0kQ6AEIUzAH#v=onepage&q=in 1850 how many people were millionaires&f=false

At the end of 2011, 11 million millionaires of a population of 311,700,000 or ratio of 1 millionaire for every 28 americans!
Millionaire - Wikipedia

What is your problem? How sad you can't be motivated to be better then you are!

The poor do not realize as much marginal utility from a capital gains preference to make that much of a difference. The rich should not get that preference, when our debt is growing. We should be running massive federal budget surpluses, with little to no debt, if we use the "micro economics" paradigm.

So all you do is spout YOUR totally uninformed opinion. You don't back any of your comments with supporting links.

You totally ignored the fact that 1 out of 28 Americans is categorized as a "millionaire" and many may utilize the capital gains.
Why are people like you so hateful of people like me and the others that don't begrudge or are jealous of these people that utilize "capital gains"?

The "poor" as you call them are richer then any of the wealthiest people in 1870!
Here are what the poor people get in this country... THANKS to those greedy bastard tax paying people that you really offend you!

So these people get:
=== $ 5,666 in Earned Income Credit i.e. a check from Uncle Sam instead of paying they get a check!!!
Tax Foundation
=== $12,000 free housing , Section 8 will pay up to $1,000/month www.affordablehousingonline.com/section8housing.asp
=== $ 2,400 free food,
=== $ 1,200 in free cell phone plus :http://www.adttel.com/?gclid=CLex4IamjKQCFY5a7AodrCHlHw
=== $ 5,000 a year in free health care from Medicaid.
So this is about $26,000 a year in FREE MONEY, free goods and free services...
it cost $75.7 billion in 2011 compared to $35 billion in 2008; and enrollment has hit an all-time high of 46.7 million recipients.
Meanwhile, the number of children receiving free school lunches has inflated from 18 to 21 million — an unprecedented jump —
about 2.1 million households (6 million) use Section 8 the Housing Choice Voucher program
Stock quotes, financial tools, news and analysis - MSN Money

I am referring Only to the One Percent. Why do they, need a tax break?

So what do you think the "one percent" do with their money?
Ah... I bet you think they bury it in their back yard or under their mattress?
Really come on.
What do they do with their capital gains?
More importantly though you keep referring to paying MORE tax money. Why?
Are you that uninformed about the gigantic waste known as the Federal Government?
Here are some uses of that tax money that is being spent and frankly I prefer what these "one percenters" do with their profits!
1. The National Institute of Health’s Center for Alternative and Complimentary Medicine spent $387,000 to study the effects of Swedish massages on rabbits.
2. The Department of Interior spent $10,000 to monitor the growth rate of saltmarsh grass. In other words, the government is paying people to watch grass grow. On the bright side, they have not started paying people to watch paint dry.
3. The National Science Foundation has granted more than $200,000 to a research project that is trying to determine how and why Wikipedia is sexist. Wikipedia’s War on Woman
4. The National Institute of Health funded a study to see if mothers love dogs as much as they love kids. Regardless of the results, this experiment cost taxpayers $371,026.
5. The federal government has granted $804,254 for the development of a smartphone game called “Kiddio: Food Fight.” The game is intended to teach parents how to convince their children to try and eat new healthier food choice.
6. The National Endowment for the Humanities has provided $47,000 for undergraduate classes that teach students about laughing and humor.
7. The National Science Foundation spent $856,000 to teach mountain lions how to walk on treadmills as part of a research project whose aim was to better understand mountain lions’ instincts.

Top 7 Wackiest Examples of Wasteful Government Spending from Wastebook 2014

I'm more inclined to allow people that want to "INVEST" their money than have it wasted on teaching mountain lions how to walk on a treadmill!

We have massive debt and no Jobs Boom to help create a more vibrant middle class, to help pay for it.

NOT one response to the gigantic waste of spending by the federal government in the past.
Thanks though to Trump's basic understanding that you get paid if you perform we're seeing some cultural changes in D.C.
Now as far as a "jobs boom"...
Again... here is reality..
About 5.5 million Americans are not in the labor force — and so not counted among the unemployed —
but still want a job now, up from 4.3 million before the recession, the Labor Department says. Simply put, Van Horn says, the occasional job searches by those laid off in the downturn creates more competition for jobs among the long-term unemployed.
Yet a growing number of companies that had been reluctant to bring on the long-term unemployed are more willing to offer them temporary jobs initially or training, says Paul McDonald, senior executive director of staffing firm Robert Half.
Out of work for six months or more? Here's why you can't find a job

5.5 million Americans.. that want a job but because of the above, can't find them.
NOW with corporate taxes cut from 35 to 15% employers have a little more leeway in making hiring
mistakes. With repeal of Obamacare that employer who hesitated to hire the 50th employee will hire!
After all the employer makes more money when more products are made...right?
I put this up before and it evidently was too complicated for you!

 

[edward37]

That was the general argument for RR and for GHWB. Both were failures.

Trickle down was bs with gwb and is now

 

[eagle1462010]

The 100% Economy: Why the U.S. Needs a Strong Middle Class to Thrive

By any definition, the middle class is eroding. Real median household incomes basically flatlined over the past 30 years. Each of the last three recessions has vaporized huge numbers of the middle-skilled jobs that used to pay a good family wage, on factory assembly lines or in customer-service centers or, most recently, in classrooms and city halls. This has led to what the MIT economist David Autor calls the "hollowing out" of American jobs, with a few middle-skill workers finding training for high-skilled, higher-paying careers, and the rest shoved downward into low-wage, low-skilled jobs or onto the unemployment rolls.

If the decline continues, this is what research suggests the U.S. will look like in the years ahead: Roads and bridges will fall into disrepair. Public schools will struggle to graduate students prepared for the job market. Consumer spending will tumble. Small businesses will close, and fewer and fewer new ones will spring up to take their place. Corporations like Amazon and Apple will scrounge the country to cope with chronic engineering shortages. Rich guys like Hanauer will find themselves with fewer customers, fewer potential employees, and many more worries about the swelling ranks of the have-nots breaking out their pitchforks.

 

[eagle1462010]

Jobs keep leaving the United States the Middle Class will die...............The only way you are gonna get those jobs back are incentives for companies to invest and build here. You can't do that by punishing them for staying by taxing the living shit out of them.

We are NOT TALKING about tax rates of 3rd World countries, BUT TAX RATES of countries like Canada, England, Scotland and other industrial nations. They are getting the holdings there because they AREN'T STUPID like we are.................and if we want the jobs we need to learn from them.

 

[Dragonlady]

I think it is foolish to avoid the issue of overregulation being the major problem

Over-regulation is NOT the is NOT the issue. Greed is.

Corporations are awash in cash with record profits. Wages, as a % of costs are at their lowest level since the Guilded Age, but the only people getting raises are the executives. Time to raise wages to release pent up consumer demand.

It is not time to lower taxes unless and until wages rise and the budget is balanced.

 

[imawhosure]

Rewarding the same people that
1. Don't pay more then 15% as of right now because of loop holes
2. Offshore
3. Outsource
4. Fuck over the American worker every chance they get

Why the fuck would you want to do this is beyond me. It won't help to rebuild the middle class and if anything will effect less then a few percent of the country.

So did Obamacare and you thought that was a brilliant idea!

 

[danielpalos]

The poor do not realize as much marginal utility from a capital gains preference to make that much of a difference. The rich should not get that preference, when our debt is growing. We should be running massive federal budget surpluses, with little to no debt, if we use the "micro economics" paradigm.

So all you do is spout YOUR totally uninformed opinion. You don't back any of your comments with supporting links.

You totally ignored the fact that 1 out of 28 Americans is categorized as a "millionaire" and many may utilize the capital gains.
Why are people like you so hateful of people like me and the others that don't begrudge or are jealous of these people that utilize "capital gains"?

The "poor" as you call them are richer then any of the wealthiest people in 1870!
Here are what the poor people get in this country... THANKS to those greedy bastard tax paying people that you really offend you!

So these people get:
=== $ 5,666 in Earned Income Credit i.e. a check from Uncle Sam instead of paying they get a check!!!
Tax Foundation
=== $12,000 free housing , Section 8 will pay up to $1,000/month www.affordablehousingonline.com/section8housing.asp
=== $ 2,400 free food,
=== $ 1,200 in free cell phone plus :http://www.adttel.com/?gclid=CLex4IamjKQCFY5a7AodrCHlHw
=== $ 5,000 a year in free health care from Medicaid.
So this is about $26,000 a year in FREE MONEY, free goods and free services...
it cost $75.7 billion in 2011 compared to $35 billion in 2008; and enrollment has hit an all-time high of 46.7 million recipients.
Meanwhile, the number of children receiving free school lunches has inflated from 18 to 21 million — an unprecedented jump —
about 2.1 million households (6 million) use Section 8 the Housing Choice Voucher program
Stock quotes, financial tools, news and analysis - MSN Money

I am referring Only to the One Percent. Why do they, need a tax break?

So what do you think the "one percent" do with their money?
Ah... I bet you think they bury it in their back yard or under their mattress?
Really come on.
What do they do with their capital gains?
More importantly though you keep referring to paying MORE tax money. Why?
Are you that uninformed about the gigantic waste known as the Federal Government?
Here are some uses of that tax money that is being spent and frankly I prefer what these "one percenters" do with their profits!
1. The National Institute of Health’s Center for Alternative and Complimentary Medicine spent $387,000 to study the effects of Swedish massages on rabbits.
2. The Department of Interior spent $10,000 to monitor the growth rate of saltmarsh grass. In other words, the government is paying people to watch grass grow. On the bright side, they have not started paying people to watch paint dry.
3. The National Science Foundation has granted more than $200,000 to a research project that is trying to determine how and why Wikipedia is sexist. Wikipedia’s War on Woman
4. The National Institute of Health funded a study to see if mothers love dogs as much as they love kids. Regardless of the results, this experiment cost taxpayers $371,026.
5. The federal government has granted $804,254 for the development of a smartphone game called “Kiddio: Food Fight.” The game is intended to teach parents how to convince their children to try and eat new healthier food choice.
6. The National Endowment for the Humanities has provided $47,000 for undergraduate classes that teach students about laughing and humor.
7. The National Science Foundation spent $856,000 to teach mountain lions how to walk on treadmills as part of a research project whose aim was to better understand mountain lions’ instincts.

Top 7 Wackiest Examples of Wasteful Government Spending from Wastebook 2014

I'm more inclined to allow people that want to "INVEST" their money than have it wasted on teaching mountain lions how to walk on a treadmill!

We have massive debt and no Jobs Boom to help create a more vibrant middle class, to help pay for it.

NOT one response to the gigantic waste of spending by the federal government in the past.
Thanks though to Trump's basic understanding that you get paid if you perform we're seeing some cultural changes in D.C.
Now as far as a "jobs boom"...
Again... here is reality..
About 5.5 million Americans are not in the labor force — and so not counted among the unemployed —
but still want a job now, up from 4.3 million before the recession, the Labor Department says. Simply put, Van Horn says, the occasional job searches by those laid off in the downturn creates more competition for jobs among the long-term unemployed.
Yet a growing number of companies that had been reluctant to bring on the long-term unemployed are more willing to offer them temporary jobs initially or training, says Paul McDonald, senior executive director of staffing firm Robert Half.
Out of work for six months or more? Here's why you can't find a job

5.5 million Americans.. that want a job but because of the above, can't find them.
NOW with corporate taxes cut from 35 to 15% employers have a little more leeway in making hiring
mistakes. With repeal of Obamacare that employer who hesitated to hire the 50th employee will hire!
After all the employer makes more money when more products are made...right?
I put this up before and it evidently was too complicated for you!
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Did you know, you can stop hiccups on a dog, with massage?

And, if you really want to cut the waste, end the drug war.

 

[imawhosure]

I think it is foolish to avoid the issue of overregulation being the major problem

Over-regulation is NOT the is NOT the issue. Greed is.

Corporations are awash in cash with record profits. Wages, as a % of costs are at their lowest level since the Guilded Age, but the only people getting raises are the executives. Time to raise wages to release pent up consumer demand.

It is not time to lower taxes unless and until wages rise and the budget is balanced.

Dragon, what you just posted is ridiculous......consider............if I am greedy and can make more, much more by expansion, then why wouldn't I, since of course I am so greedy!

But then again, YOU are greedy. Why? Because you look for sales so as you can horde money. Isn't that greed! You have denied a company and their employees money by looking for a sale. How dare you!

And hey, isn't Apple and Samsung greedy? They are worth billions upon billions. How many of you have an Apple I-Phone, or a Samsung Galaxy! Oh, I get it; it is ok to support THOSE greedy corporations, lol.

Any of you wonderful libs own a Prius! Bet some of you do! How much moollaaa they making these days, and helping put American automakers behind the eight ball. Is that ok too?

You leftists; for the most part, are illogical, irrelevant, and immaterial. You have no driving force ideas, as they change by who is doing them.

 

[healthmyths]

So all you do is spout YOUR totally uninformed opinion. You don't back any of your comments with supporting links.

You totally ignored the fact that 1 out of 28 Americans is categorized as a "millionaire" and many may utilize the capital gains.
Why are people like you so hateful of people like me and the others that don't begrudge or are jealous of these people that utilize "capital gains"?

The "poor" as you call them are richer then any of the wealthiest people in 1870!
Here are what the poor people get in this country... THANKS to those greedy bastard tax paying people that you really offend you!

So these people get:
=== $ 5,666 in Earned Income Credit i.e. a check from Uncle Sam instead of paying they get a check!!!
Tax Foundation
=== $12,000 free housing , Section 8 will pay up to $1,000/month www.affordablehousingonline.com/section8housing.asp
=== $ 2,400 free food,
=== $ 1,200 in free cell phone plus :http://www.adttel.com/?gclid=CLex4IamjKQCFY5a7AodrCHlHw
=== $ 5,000 a year in free health care from Medicaid.
So this is about $26,000 a year in FREE MONEY, free goods and free services...
it cost $75.7 billion in 2011 compared to $35 billion in 2008; and enrollment has hit an all-time high of 46.7 million recipients.
Meanwhile, the number of children receiving free school lunches has inflated from 18 to 21 million — an unprecedented jump —
about 2.1 million households (6 million) use Section 8 the Housing Choice Voucher program
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I am referring Only to the One Percent. Why do they, need a tax break?

So what do you think the "one percent" do with their money?
Ah... I bet you think they bury it in their back yard or under their mattress?
Really come on.
What do they do with their capital gains?
More importantly though you keep referring to paying MORE tax money. Why?
Are you that uninformed about the gigantic waste known as the Federal Government?
Here are some uses of that tax money that is being spent and frankly I prefer what these "one percenters" do with their profits!
1. The National Institute of Health’s Center for Alternative and Complimentary Medicine spent $387,000 to study the effects of Swedish massages on rabbits.
2. The Department of Interior spent $10,000 to monitor the growth rate of saltmarsh grass. In other words, the government is paying people to watch grass grow. On the bright side, they have not started paying people to watch paint dry.
3. The National Science Foundation has granted more than $200,000 to a research project that is trying to determine how and why Wikipedia is sexist. Wikipedia’s War on Woman
4. The National Institute of Health funded a study to see if mothers love dogs as much as they love kids. Regardless of the results, this experiment cost taxpayers $371,026.
5. The federal government has granted $804,254 for the development of a smartphone game called “Kiddio: Food Fight.” The game is intended to teach parents how to convince their children to try and eat new healthier food choice.
6. The National Endowment for the Humanities has provided $47,000 for undergraduate classes that teach students about laughing and humor.
7. The National Science Foundation spent $856,000 to teach mountain lions how to walk on treadmills as part of a research project whose aim was to better understand mountain lions’ instincts.

Top 7 Wackiest Examples of Wasteful Government Spending from Wastebook 2014

I'm more inclined to allow people that want to "INVEST" their money than have it wasted on teaching mountain lions how to walk on a treadmill!

We have massive debt and no Jobs Boom to help create a more vibrant middle class, to help pay for it.

NOT one response to the gigantic waste of spending by the federal government in the past.
Thanks though to Trump's basic understanding that you get paid if you perform we're seeing some cultural changes in D.C.
Now as far as a "jobs boom"...
Again... here is reality..
About 5.5 million Americans are not in the labor force — and so not counted among the unemployed —
but still want a job now, up from 4.3 million before the recession, the Labor Department says. Simply put, Van Horn says, the occasional job searches by those laid off in the downturn creates more competition for jobs among the long-term unemployed.
Yet a growing number of companies that had been reluctant to bring on the long-term unemployed are more willing to offer them temporary jobs initially or training, says Paul McDonald, senior executive director of staffing firm Robert Half.
Out of work for six months or more? Here's why you can't find a job

5.5 million Americans.. that want a job but because of the above, can't find them.
NOW with corporate taxes cut from 35 to 15% employers have a little more leeway in making hiring
mistakes. With repeal of Obamacare that employer who hesitated to hire the 50th employee will hire!
After all the employer makes more money when more products are made...right?
I put this up before and it evidently was too complicated for you!
View attachment 123941

Did you know, you can stop hiccups on a dog, with massage?

And, if you really want to cut the waste, end the drug war.

Since YOU NEVER back up your opinion with substantive response, I didn't believe your "hiccups" comment.
But you are right. How to Stop Dog Hiccups and fortunately for lazy people like you you have me to do a very simple search to prove it.
I'll go one better. Stop the war on Poverty!
This war has cost $22 Trillion!
In his January 1964 State of the Union address, President Lyndon Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.” In the 50 years since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs. Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all U.S. military wars since the American Revolution.
The War on Poverty After 50 Years

Now as far as the "War on Drugs" cost?
War on drugs a trillion-dollar failure
Here we are, four decades after Richard Nixon declared the war on drugs in 1971 and $1 trillion spent since then. What do we have to show for it?
The U.S. has the largest prison population in the world, with about 2.3 million behind bars. More than half a million of those people are incarcerated for a drug law violation. What a waste of young lives.

Opinion: War on drugs a trillion-dollar failure - CNN.com

Which one has cost Americas MORE???? Maybe that's a too complicated question for you. Here let me help you!
$22 Trillion on the war on poverty
$ 1 Trillion on the war on Drugs.
21 Trillion MORE spent on War on Poverty initiated by who else a Democrat!

I really want to cut WASTE... end the war on Poverty!!!