Judge Merchan Slaps Down Trump's Immunity Argument.

[BackAgain]

Likely with two of those "required qualifiers" being (a) during his term of office, and (B) for duties performed within the scope of the Office of the President.

Which of course would exclude:

• Falsification of business records while a candidate (and President)
• Failure to return classified documents after leaving office
• Attempting as a candidate to illegal overturn an election

The above to be determined by a jury in a criminal court since they occurred after leaving office or were not with scope for the duties of the President.

WW

The qualifiers don’t have to be guessed at. They already exist. The only possible difference is applying them to a criminal prosecution case.

The balance of your post is silly. It assumes conclusions as premises.

 

[Kilroy2]

Let see he is not the president currently

The payment was made in late Oct 2016 when he was not the president or swore in as the president

So what immunity is he talking about

He wants to delay the trial in hopes he is elected the president again

Thus in Trumps eye, he is above the law and no man is above the law means (see first part of the sentence)

Well republicans will vote for him anyway no matter what so it a tough choice

Biden beats trump again which would be awesome. Definitely a party in the streets.

I would image that the Supreme Court can't way for this pile of shit to be dumped into their laps

Trump will single handily destroy any respectability that the court has

So I would imagine they would prefer a speedy trial and let the people vote

then they can continue sipping their Kool-Aid

 

[WorldWatcher]

Let see he is not the president currently

The payment was made in late Oct 2016 when he was not the president or swore in as the president

So what immunity is he talking about

It's a matter of timing. The case is the felonious falsification of business records. So timing is important.

For FPOTUS#45 the issue ISN'T when Cohen committed his crimes, it's when did FPOTUS#45 falsify the records.

When were the invoices processed?

When were the checks cuts and the business records updates?

If after Noon January 20, 2021 - then ya FPOTUS#45 would have been sworn in. So that's can impact how "immunity" gets thrown into the equation.

WW

[DISCLAIMER: Since this was campaign related and personal business and outside the scope of Presidential duties, it's not covered under Presidential Immunity. IMHO.]

 

[Kilroy2]

It's a matter of timing. The case is the felonious falsification of business records. So timing is important.

For FPOTUS#45 the issue ISN'T when Cohen committed his crimes, it's when did FPOTUS#45 falsify the records.

When were the invoices processed?

When were the checks cuts and the business records updates?

If after Noon January 20, 2021 - then ya FPOTUS#45 would have been sworn in. So that's can impact how "immunity" gets thrown into the equation.

WW

[DISCLAIMER: Since this was campaign related and personal business and outside the scope of Presidential duties, it's not covered under Presidential Immunity. IMHO.]

If Trump authorized and knew about the payment in 2016 then the rest is just the rest of the story
Davis was paid in 2016 and trump authorized it. in 2016


The Enquirer secures the rights to her ( McDougal) story for $150,000, but never publishes it — a tactic used to quash her claims to prevent the election to be influenced

This was also prior to the actually election

His testimony is that trump authorized the payment and plan to disguise the payment using his own words which was clearly before he became president in 2016 .

Some of the 34 indictments may have been when he was president to hide a crime


later Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani says Trump did in fact reimburse Cohen and knew about the "general arrangement."

Damage control is now in full mode

• During his guilty plea, Cohen says in federal court he was directed to violate campaign law at the direction of an unnamed candidate. That same candidate directed him to pay $130,000 in hush money, which the candidate later reimbursed.

Candidate indicating that most of this happen in 2016 which clearly shows that Trump knew and approved it prior to being elected

Yes it appears he was reimbursed later

MSN

2023 -

• Trump claims an imminent arrest and calls on supporters to "take our nation back."

So some of it was prior to Trump the president. Other stuff was while he was president

Trump loves riots where he can sit back and watch it on TV. Another call for violence as a citizen in 2023

Trump is not the president and the statues of limitation could play a significant factor



A sitting president of the United States enjoys absolute immunity from many lawsuits while in office; it is under legal dispute whether they also enjoy immunity from criminal liability or prosecution.

 

[0311]

Let see he is not the president currently

The payment was made in late Oct 2016 when he was not the president or swore in as the president

So what immunity is he talking about

He wants to delay the trial in hopes he is elected the president again

Thus in Trumps eye, he is above the law and no man is above the law means (see first part of the sentence)

Well republicans will vote for him anyway no matter what so it a tough choice

Biden beats trump again which would be awesome. Definitely a party in the streets.

I would image that the Supreme Court can't way for this pile of shit to be dumped into their laps

Trump will single handily destroy any respectability that the court has

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So I would imagine they would prefer a speedy trial and let the people vote

then they can continue sipping their Kool-Aid

That is what they do not get, Don Snoreleone was NOT in elected office when the hush money payments were, no immunity is attached.

 

[0311]

As the hush payments were BEFORE Don Snoreleone became prez, there is no immunity.

And if he so mother fucking innocent, why make a claim of immunity.

 

[WorldWatcher]

As the hush payments were BEFORE Don Snoreleone became prez, there is no immunity.

And if he so mother fucking innocent, why make a claim of immunity.

Depends on what you mean.

If you mean Cohen's payment, yes it was pre FPOTUS#45 being in office.

If you mean the payments FPOTUS#45 made through the the Trump Organization to Cohen, those occurred in 2017 so he would have been in office. (But, IMHO, paying a porn star is outside the scope of Presidential Duties so immunity wouldn't attach.)

WW

 

[john doe 101]

As the hush payments were BEFORE Don Snoreleone became prez, there is no immunity.

And if he so mother fucking innocent, why make a claim of immunity.

I dont necessarily blame trump for trying this crazy tactic. After all, look at how many charges he's facing. The problem he's going to face, though, is who is he going to blame when the SCOTUS goes against him?

 

[MagicMike]

Looking into voter fraud is part of his duties as president...

But that is not what he did.
Tell me how (specifically) did he "look into" it?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Looking into voter fraud is part of his duties as president...

Not unless there is a federal law violation such discrimination based on the Voting Rights Act (race, religion, age, etc.), failure to comply with federal voter registration laws (for federal office), etc.

"Looking into" how states run their elections because he lost, might be something to do as a candidate, but it is not part of the duties of the Office of President.

WW

 

[Rambunctious]

Not unless there is a federal law violation such discrimination based on the Voting Rights Act (race, religion, age, etc.), failure to comply with federal voter registration laws (for federal office), etc.

"Looking into" how states run their elections because he lost, might be something to do as a candidate, but it is not part of the duties of the Office of President.

WW

No anytime a president gets a hint that something may be amiss with our elections he has a duty to look into it.... why are you people resorting to just making shit up?....

 

[Rambunctious]

But that is not what he did.
Tell me how (specifically) did he "look into" it?

That's exactly what he did... he called Georgia and asked for a review of the ballots counted and he was turned down... why did they turn him down...
Everyone knows the Georgia case is DOA... they have a no crime charge against a former president and its backfiring.... same with the two cases in NY....

 

[WorldWatcher]

No anytime a president gets a hint that something may be amiss with our elections he has a duty to look into it.... why are you people resorting to just making shit up?....

The idea that is the responsibility of the President of the United States to "look into" elections administered under the authority of the State - well - that's just made up shit.

Now Candidate Trump wanting to "look into" the state elections because he got his ass handed to him by a senile, stuttering, old man that ran his campaign from his basement? Ya, Candidate Trump would want to "look into" it because he lost.

WW

 

[MagicMike]

That's exactly what he did... he called Georgia and asked for a review of the ballots counted and he was turned down... why did they turn him down...
Everyone knows the Georgia case is DOA... they have a no crime charge against a former president and its backfiring.... same with the two cases in NY....

Fake news. Nothing is DOA or backfiring. All cases are moving right along and only stalled waiting on SCOTUS' immunity ruling to proceed.

And you forgot to mention the fake electors who are now testifying against Dozo the Clown.

 

[Rambunctious]

The idea that is the responsibility of the President of the United States to "look into" elections administered under the authority of the State - well - that's just made up shit.

Now Candidate Trump wanting to "look into" the state elections because he got his ass handed to him by a senile, stuttering, old man that ran his campaign from his basement? Ya, Candidate Trump would want to "look into" it because he lost.

WW

Show me where its written that he can't look into voter fraud because I can't find that statute anywhere... I think you are making shit up....

 

[Rambunctious]

Fake news. Nothing is DOA or backfiring. All cases are moving right along and only stalled waiting on SCOTUS' immunity ruling to proceed.

And you forgot to mention the fake electors who are now testifying against Dozo the Clown.

Not one case is going to survive appeal... everyone knows that... its election tampering but it isn't working as they hoped... they thought the people would bail on Trump when all these case were brought... it has had the reverse effect so now they hope to keep him off the campaign trail and stuck in NYC... that isn't working either because the news media covers his words everyday and he may be turning NYC from blue to purple....

 

[MagicMike]

Show me where its written that he can't look into voter fraud because I can't find that statute anywhere... I think you are making shit up....

There is a procedure for reporting voter fraud. He didn't follow it.

If you think an election crime is occurring, contact your local FBI field office or submit a tip online at tips.fbi.gov.

Election Crimes | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The FBI, through its Public Corruption Unit, has an important but limited role in ensuring fair and free elections.

www.fbi.gov

 

[WorldWatcher]

Show me where its written that he can't look into voter fraud because I can't find that statute anywhere... I think you are making shit up....

State legislatures are responsible for State elections, unless Congress passes law regarding a specific matter. Such as the Voting Rights Act of 1964.

Elections are run by the State, not the President.

Now, candidate Trump has a right to "look into" elections that he lost. No disagreement, but it is not within the scope of duties for the President of the United States.

Now be hones, you position would be completely different if FPOTUS#45 wins and it was POTUS#46 trying to change the results of state elections and attempted to submit fake electors to Congress.

WW

 

[Rambunctious]

There is a procedure for reporting voter fraud. He didn't follow it.

If you think an election crime is occurring, contact your local FBI field office or submit a tip online at tips.fbi.gov.

Election Crimes | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The FBI, through its Public Corruption Unit, has an important but limited role in ensuring fair and free elections.

www.fbi.gov

He called a member of his party who is in charge of the Georgia elections to explain the very unusual count from a very unusual election process due to a pandemic... I see zero illegality in that... if you do I suggest its partisan because you have not sniffed up Biden's ass this closely.... ever....

 

[0311]

Depends on what you mean.

If you mean Cohen's payment, yes it was pre FPOTUS#45 being in office.

If you mean the payments FPOTUS#45 made through the the Trump Organization to Cohen, those occurred in 2017 so he would have been in office. (But, IMHO, paying a porn star is outside the scope of Presidential Duties so immunity wouldn't attach.)

WW

Exactly.