Trump Now Gets a $1.8BN Taxpayer Slush Fund to Pay Others

[WorldWatcher]

actually neglience is a civil claim. Neglience can also be criminal, but that's a higher standard of proof....I am in no way saying the IRS is criminally liable.

No you said the IRS was negligent.

Without proof presented in a court of law.

Questions you should ask:

• Did the IRS hire Booz Allen as a contractor?
• If so, what were the details of the contract?
• As part of the contract requirements did the IRS require compliance with IRS protection procedures pertaining to the data?
• As part of the contract requirements did the IRS require vetting of employees that would have access to the work product?
• As part of the contract requirements did Booz Allen agree to protection procedures pertaining to the data?
• As part of the contract requirements did Booz Allen agree to vetting of employees that would have access to the work product?
• As part of the work process did Booz Allen implement and adhear to data protection requirements?
• As part of the work process did Booz Allen vet employees with access to the work product?

Just because an individual committed a crime, that does present an a priori standard that negligence occurred.

WW

 

[Rawley]

He wiped out the $100 million he owed in back taxes for taking g the loss on one of his Bankrupt casinos twice with this Blanche deal....

Well, he doesn't owe that, does he?

 

[Care4all]

Well, he doesn't owe that, does he?

Yes, he does owe it. But he's been avoiding/evading paying it....

 

[struth]

It was Trump's lawsuit, not the people he made eligible to collect.

And I didn't ask you to account for his damages based on what he collected. I maintain seeking $10 billion is so far in excess, thst makes it a frivolous suit. Show me I'm wrong. Based on the damages I showed you the law allows, show his damages were $10 billion.

1) your point? If Tom Brady sues People Mag for a fake story, and they decide to settle, can they not agree that the the money go to charity? In this case, it's not even any additional money, the money is already in the Settlement Fund the Congress created
2) How do you know it's excess? Do you have all the numbers of the Trump Org and Trump? Did you run it?

 

[struth]

He wiped out the $100 million he owed in back taxes for taking g the loss on one of his Bankrupt casinos twice with this Blanche deal....

And he got a $1.8 BILLION slush fund that he controls with 5 board members of his choice, to pay out to the criminals who lost millions from creating illegal schemes to fraudulently claim that Trump won the 2020 election, so that they will help him in future situations like 2026 midterms with the new funds they'll get, so he won't become a lame duck.

1) no he didn't, if he owes back taxes they can send him a bill....and geez, that was from the 90s....if that's the case, why is the IRS so far behind? Isn't there a SOL on that?
2) He didn't get any more money, the 1.8 is in the Settlement Fund created by Congress, it's just earmarked for people with specfic cases....anyone can apply for it

 

[Political-Junkie]

I don't have access to all of Trump's tax returns to be able to tell you, or the Trump Orgs.

Do you?

You don't need to see his tax returns. It's $1,000 for each unauthorized disclosure.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Actually people and businesses settle cases all the time, even when they might not agree it's valid suit

Here's it is pretty valid. The IRS can't leak someone's tax returns.

The IRS didn't release his taxes. A contractor did.

 

[Concerned American]

You violent mob of animals killed her, although much of the blame also lies with her.

Do you figure your buddies at Delaney Hall in NJ will get any of that $$$? LOL, naw, NJ state police cracked their skulls---justice served.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Putting asside that problem of Trump sueing his own administration then his personal defense attorney (who is now part of the Trump Administration) agreeing to the $1.8 Billion dollar settlement then - basically - granting a pardon to Trump, his children, and the Trump Organization from any past tax liablity when the IRS memo says no.
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Aren't federal settlements supposed to be related to the underlying lawsuit. So could someone explain in plain English the direct relationship between Trump's tax records being leaked in 2017 to compensating insurrectionists in 2020?

WW

 

[Rawley]

Yes, he does owe it. But he's been avoiding/evading paying it....

Nope. Your TDS media is telling you he may owe up to some amount. But in 18 years, they have never proven it.

 

[Political-Junkie]

He wiped out the $100 million he owed in back taxes for taking g the loss on one of his Bankrupt casinos twice with this Blanche deal....

I think that may be a big hurdle for Trump/Blanche to overcome as well. The settlement with the IRS didn't include that. The settlement was only about the $1.8 anti-weaponization fund. That's all that the plaintiffs, DOJ and IRS agreed to. Blanche then amended the tax audit immunity gift the next day to the settlement, but the IRS never signed off on it.

 

[Concerned American]

The IRS didn't release his taxes. A contractor did.

The contractor was hired by the IRS. The IRS is ultimately culpable.

 

[struth]

No you said the IRS was negligent.

Without proof presented in a court of law.

Questions you should ask:

• Did the IRS hire Booz Allen as a contractor?
• If so, what were the details of the contract?
• As part of the contract requirements did the IRS require compliance with IRS protection procedures pertaining to the data?
• As part of the contract requirements did the IRS require vetting of employees that would have access to the work product?
• As part of the contract requirements did Booz Allen agree to protection procedures pertaining to the data?
• As part of the contract requirements did Booz Allen agree to vetting of employees that would have access to the work product?
• As part of the work process did Booz Allen implement and adhear to data protection requirements?
• As part of the work process did Booz Allen vet employees with access to the work product?

Just because an individual committed a crime, that does present an a priori standard that negligence occurred.

WW

Yes I said they were, and they settled...not sure your point, people settle cases all the time without going to trial

The question is, did the IRS owe trump a duty to protect his info? Yes. Did that intel get released? Yes. In fact, someone they hired went to prison for doing it.

Res ipsa loquitur res ipsa loquitur

 

[struth]

You don't need to see his tax returns. It's $1,000 for each unauthorized disclosure.

You don't really know how to read a stat do you?

Try again:

1) the greater of—

(A) $1,000 for each act of unauthorized inspection or disclosure of a return or return information with respect to which such defendant is found liable, or

(B) the sum of—

(i) the actual damages sustained by the plaintiff as a result of such unauthorized inspection or disclosure, plus

(ii) in the case of a willful inspection or disclosure or an inspection or disclosure which is the result of gross negligence, punitive damages, plus

(2) the costs of the action, plus

(3) in the case of a plaintiff which is described in section 7430(c)(4)(A)(ii), reasonable attorneys fees, except that if the defendant is the United States, reasonable attorneys fees may be awarded only if the plaintiff is the prevailing party (as determined under section 7430(c)(4)).


I might have to see the tax returns to determine the actual damages

 

[struth]

The IRS didn't release his taxes. A contractor did.

how did that person get the tax returns?

 

[Political-Junkie]

1) your point? If Tom Brady sues People Mag for a fake story, and they decide to settle, can they not agree that the the money go to charity? In this case, it's not even any additional money, the money is already in the Settlement Fund the Congress created
2) How do you know it's excess? Do you have all the numbers of the Trump Org and Trump? Did you run it?

Tom Brady has nothing to do with this. This suit is between Trump and Trump's IRS. The settlement has nothing to do with what I'm asking you. Trump sued for $10 billion. I don't see where Trump was damaged by anywhere near that. At $1000 per unauthorized disclosure, that would be 10 million unauthorized disclosures minus fees associated with his lawsuit.

You seem to be a loyal defender of his so I'm asking you to show where he suffered $10 billion in damages. ÷your continuous dodging and weaving, I guess you can't see it either.

 

[Political-Junkie]

1) no he didn't, if he owes back taxes they can send him a bill....and geez, that was from the 90s....if that's the case, why is the IRS so far behind? Isn't there a SOL on that?
2) He didn't get any more money, the 1.8 is in the Settlement Fund created by Congress, it's just earmarked for people with specfic cases....anyone can apply for it

You really have no idea what was given to Trump, huh? No, they cannot send him a bill according to the immunity he was given.

 

[struth]

Tom Brady has nothing to do with this. This suit is between Trump and Trump's IRS. The settlement has nothing to do with what I'm asking you. Trump sued for $10 billion. I don't see where Trump was damaged by anywhere near that. At $1000 per unauthorized disclosure, that would be 10 million unauthorized disclosures minus fees associated with his lawsuit.

You seem to be a loyal defender of his so I'm asking you to show where he suffered $10 billion in damages. ÷your continuous dodging and weaving, I guess you can't see it either.

Well, not sure what you want me to tell you....of course you don't see, because they settled it out of Court. They didn't have to have an expensive trial, and worry about larger amounts of damages.

Again, you seem to not be able to read the law....I'll slow it down for you:

1) the greater of—

(A) $1,000 for each act of unauthorized inspection or disclosure of a return or return information with respect to which such defendant is found liable, or

(B) the sum of—

(i) the actual damages sustained by the plaintiff as a result of such unauthorized inspection or disclosure, plus

(ii) in the case of a willful inspection or disclosure or an inspection or disclosure which is the result of gross negligence, punitive damages, plus

(2) the costs of the action, plus

(3) in the case of a plaintiff which is described in section 7430(c)(4)(A)(ii), reasonable attorneys fees, except that if the defendant is the United States, reasonable attorneys fees may be awarded only if the plaintiff is the prevailing party (as determined under section 7430(c)

 

[struth]

You really have no idea what was given to Trump, huh? No, they cannot send him a bill according to the immunity he was given.

The settlement didn't give him immunity from criminal prosecution. So you are wrong.

It did close the long on going audits.

 

[Political-Junkie]

The contractor was hired by the IRS. The IRS is ultimately culpable.

Not according to the law.

26 U.S. Code § 7431 - Civil damages for unauthorized inspection or disclosure of returns and return information

(a)In general

(1)Inspection or disclosure by employee of United States

If any officer or employee of the United States knowingly, or by reason of negligence, inspects or discloses any return or return information with respect to a taxpayer in violation of any provision of section 6103, such taxpayer may bring a civil action for damages against the United States in a district court of the United States.

(2)Inspection or disclosure by a person who is not an employee of United States

If any person who is not an officer or employee of the United States knowingly, or by reason of negligence, inspects or discloses any return or return information with respect to a taxpayer in violation of any provision of section 6103 or in violation of section 6104(c), such taxpayer may bring a civil action for damages against such person in a district court of the United States.