Trump loses Carroll case appeal

[White 6]

The juries in New York are always extremists because they are made up by people too stupid to get out of jury duty.

I doubt that, but have never lived there.

 

[Blaster]

I like the move by Israel and wrote of it yesterday, supporting and approving.
The Minnesota assassin may or may not be a trumper. I don't know. True, the only people on his list were Democrats and pro-choice. I have never heard trump, himself, saying they should be attacked, only seeing it said on here by partisan extremists.
Trump came out today, denouncing the shooter, his actions, and promising Bondi would investigate and prosecute to the limits of the law. That was important, as the Federal system has the death penalty, while Minnesota is a lock them up and pay for their care state.

The man was a Walz appointee and I suspect he also was a Democrat.

 

[White 6]

No....a partisan jury and a partisan judge hand-picked by Democrats.

That's all it means.

No....a partisan jury and a partisan judge hand-picked by Democrats.

That's all it means.

That is your opinion for his not overruling the jury?

 

[mudwhistle]

He WAS sentenced
To no time because he won the election

Still the FELON

That's not a sentence.

If he had been sentenced Trump would have the option to appeal to a higher court.

The judge decided to forgo sentencing which thwarted any possibility of Trump appealing his conviction and having it thrown out.
You cannot give a jury the right to convict without evidence of the crime being presented in court. And no criminal court jury can convict anyone unless the vote is unanimous.

His due-process rights were abused in this case as well as a failure by the judge to allow exculpatory evidence to be presented during the trial.

 

[mudwhistle]

Trump told tens of thousands of proven lies.
Yet you don't doubt him.
Mexico pay for the wall
Repeal Obamacare
End the war in Ukraine
Bring down prices on day one
Peace in the middle east.

Just to name a few.

A lie isn't a lie when the person claiming it's a lie uses only his opinion as a basis for calling them lies.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trump was convicted which makes him a felon

His sentence was excused because he was elected President. Doesn’t excuse his guilt

What exactly was he guilty of? Bookkeeping errors?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I doubt that, but have never lived there.

Well, you meet the qualifications!

 

[White 6]

So you agree that someone who proclaims their innocence should be held liable for defamation? That ridiculous. That adds to the absurdity of this case. Thats like saying "i can accuse you of something, and if you try to deny it, im going to sue you for denying it" that's exactly what happened here. SHE made the allegation, with no proof. Just because you win a frivolous lawsuit with no evidence doesn't mean the other side has to capitulate to the judgement. Like, everyone is expecting since she won the case, that means trump is supposed to say "oh you all..you got me..I did it.."JUST because the judge ruled that way? Of course not, a person can still say they are innocent even after a judgement, especially one as dubious as this....

Unless you are saying courts never get anything wrong.

You can proclaim your innocence until the cows come home or to the ends of the earth, but, you had best not slander the person that just beat you in court, or you will probably be back in court, losing again, like Donnie. On the other hand, I don't really care how stupid he is. It isn't my $5 Million Dollars. Maybe he is just losing donor money, so figures, it doesn't matter.

 

[Nobody911]

Trump's controversial remarks about something down there have created significant challenges in his political life. The US president,Trump, really likes to grab that part of female body? lol.

The chances of the U.S. Supreme Court overturning the $5 million verdict against Donald Trump in the E. Jean Carroll case appear uncertain but generally considered challenging for Trump. The federal appeals court, including judges appointed by both parties, has already upheld the verdict in an 8-2 vote, rejecting Trump's arguments about improper evidence and political bias influencing the jury 123.

Key points affecting the Supreme Court's potential decision:

• The 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals found no manifest error in the trial court's handling of evidence such as the "Access Hollywood" tape and testimonies from other women alleging misconduct, which Trump claimed were prejudicial but were deemed admissible 13.

• Two dissenting judges appointed by Trump argued that some evidence should have been excluded and that Trump did not act with actual malice, but this minority view did not sway the full court 12.

• The jury found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation but did not find rape under the legal definition, and a federal judge upheld the $5 million damages as reasonable 6.

• Trump's legal team has framed the case as politically motivated and a misuse of inflammatory evidence, but these claims have not succeeded so far 15.

• Given the Supreme Court’s usual discretion in taking cases and its tendency to avoid overturning jury verdicts absent clear legal error or constitutional issues, the Court may be reluctant to overturn the verdict unless a significant legal question is presented.

In summary, while Trump’s appeal to the Supreme Court is his last option, the prior strong affirmations of the verdict by the appeals court and the absence of a clear legal error reduce the likelihood that the Supreme Court will overturn the $5 million judgment. However, the Supreme Court’s decision to hear the case and its ultimate ruling remain unpredictable.

sources:

1. Appeals court rejects Trump’s bid to overturn E. Jean Carroll verdict
2. U.S. appeals court won’t reconsider Trump’s US$5M loss in sex assault case
3. Appeals court rejects Trump's bid to challenge $5 million E. Jean Carroll judgment
4. Trump loses appeal in E. Jean Carroll case, $5M verdict upheld | Politics
5. Trump asks appeals court to reconsider overturning $5 million E. Jean Carroll verdict
6. Judge upholds the $5 million verdict against Trump in E. Jean Carroll's sex abuse and defamation case
7. Trump loses bid to overturn E. Jean Carroll $5M sexual assault verdict

 

[mudwhistle]

I like the move by Israel and wrote of it yesterday, supporting and approving.
The Minnesota assassin may or may not be a trumper. I don't know. True, the only people on his list were Democrats and pro-choice. I have never heard trump, himself, saying they should be attacked, only seeing it said on here by partisan extremists.
Trump came out today, denouncing the shooter, his actions, and promising Bondi would investigate and prosecute to the limits of the law. That was important, as the Federal system has the death penalty, while Minnesota is a lock them up and pay for their care state.

You don't care if the guy was a Trumper. You assumed he was.

You can proclaim your innocence until the cows come home or two the ends of the earth, but, you had best not slander the person that just beat you in court, or you will probably be back in court, losing again, like Donnie. On the other had, I don't really care how stupid he is. It isn't my $5 Million Dollars. Maybe his is just losing donor money, so figures, it doesn't matter.

Slander is defined by voicing false claims about someone.
Nothing he said about E Jean Carroll was false.

 

[White 6]

Well, you meet the qualifications!

You go ahead. Maybe I'll catch up to ya. Look for me.

 

[mudwhistle]

I was only on criminal cases. I had no problems of impartiality, only knee-jerk judgment, not considering the evidence, but none that were showing partiality to the point of rejecting the evidence, in going over it. The verdicts were just.

I served on one jury....and I convinced everyone that the woman on trial was innocent, and I was surprised that I was the only one who felt that way.

However I was able to persuade the other jurors that she had the presumption of innocence....something that the rest of them didn't consider till I pointed out the evidence at the trial, and her conduct while under questioning.

 

[rightwinger]

What exactly was he guilty of? Bookkeeping errors?

How many times do we need to tell you?
You just ignore it anyway

In a nutshell
Trump had his lawyer pay off his hooker
Instead of just paying him back with his own funds, he had his business account pay him back and then wrote it off as a legal expense

 

[Blaster]

There are too many biased juries.

 

[White 6]

I served on one jury....and I convinced everyone that the woman on trial was innocent, and I was surprised that I was the only one who felt that way.

However I was able to persuade the other jurors that she had the presumption of innocence....something that the rest of them didn't consider till I pointed out the evidence at the trial, and her conduct while under questioning.

Good job!

 

[mudwhistle]

How many times do we need to tell you?
You just ignore it anyway

In a nutshell
Trump had his lawyer pay off his hooker
Instead of just paying him back with his own funds, he had his business account pay him back and then wrote it off as a legal expense

That's not at all what was presented in court.

Cohen admitted in court that he had defrauded Trump of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Cohen wanted to get back in Trump's good graces by paying Stormy Daniels to keep her mouth shut for once.
Trump found out later what Cohen had done.
BTW, there is no law against paying hush money to someone who's blackmailing you.

 

[Muhammed]

New York has, by far, the most corrupt government on the entire planet.

Son of Sam was right.

 

[meaner gene]

Fraud is a criminal offense and it amounted to a lawsuit. Nothing more.
It's similar to somebody burning themselves from hot coffee in a restaurant.

Fraud is both criminal and civil, depending on how much evidence they have of their intent.

No different than an automobile accident, where one person crashes into another causing serious injury or death. But if one of them was drunk or high, or could be proved they intentionally caused the crash, it also rises to criminal in addition.

 

[meaner gene]

No....take some time to look up the law.

He's not officially a felon till he's sentenced.

The case was only designed to trash his reputation.

Trump was sentenced. But his sentence was zero jail time.

So Trump is a convicted felon, who finished serving his sentence.
Which under NY law (which transfers to his state of residence) he's allowed to vote. But under federal law, he can't own a gun.

 

[meaner gene]

That's not at all what was presented in court.

Cohen admitted in court that he had defrauded Trump of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Cohen wanted to get back in Trump's good graces by paying Stormy Daniels to keep her mouth shut for once.
Trump found out later what Cohen had done.
BTW, there is no law against paying hush money to someone who's blackmailing you.

But there is a law against claiming it as a tax deduction.