Trump Lies Again That Nancy Pelosi Refused National Guard Help For Jan. 6

[Lesh]

You figure those scumbags were on their cell phones waiting for Trump to call them off?

Yes. Did you miss all the pics they took...that ended up on social media...and got many jailed? They took those pics with their....wait for it...PHONES

There is a lot of evidence the offer President Trump made to send in National Guardmen was absolutely refused by Capitol Police who answer to Nancy Pelosi,

SO post it.

All I have seen is Miller saying Trump mentioned it to him and he did nothing in following it up

 

[Astrostar]

Otherwise, it could have been "absolutely a lovely day," Trump told Sean Hannity.

Repeating a claim debunked a year ago, former President Donald Trump insisted again this week that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) had rejected the help of the National Guard last Jan. 6.

Fox News host Sean Hannity asked the former president Thursday night if he had “authorized” the Guard to protect the Capitol building “in the lead-up” to Jan. 6, 2021. Trump responded: “One hundred percent, and attested to by many people. And they turned it down … Nancy Pelosi turned it down ... and she’s in charge of the Capitol.”

There would have been “no problem whatsoever, but they turned it down, which tells you everything,” Trump claimed, also referring to Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser. “If not for those Democrats ... you would not have had any problem. It would have just been absolutely a lovely day.”

Trump did nothing to help for 187 minutes as he watched the violence unfold on TV in the White House, the Jan. 6 House Select Committee investigating the attack has said, citing firsthand testimony.

Trump Lies Again That Nancy Pelosi Refused National Guard Help For Jan. 6​

Why does Trump keep repeating the same old lies? What do you think?

Trump is the Lord of the Lies; it's what he does! Biglyh!!!

 

[Lesh]

Yes. Did you miss all the pics they took...that ended up on social media...and got many jailed? They took those pics with their....wait for it...PHONES

SO post it.

All I have seen is Miller saying Trump mentioned it to him and he did nothing in following it up

Annnnnnddddd

Nothing

 

[Rye Catcher]

ROFL! The moron believes progs are honest.

Progs say the darknets things!

Sniff, sniff..., yeah, you do smell like the cat box.

Take a bath

 

[Smokin' OP]

Anyone can disobey an "illegal order". I'm not sure if "politics" make an order illegal?

WTF?
Ordering the NG isn't illegal.
Ordering the NG to shoot civilians would be.

Milley didn't want to do the "church walk" with Trump in DC since that looked like the military was being political.

Milley apologizes for taking part in Trump church walk: 'I should not have been there'

Gen. Mark Milley, the nation's top military official, has apologized for taking part in President Trump’s walk from the White House to St. John's Church last week.

abcnews.go.com

Maybe Miller didn't want to have the military used to protect Trump's protesters?

Doesn't matter, that's what CIC means, unless it's illegal, as noted above.

Maybe Pelosi or someone else asked Miller not to deploy troops since it would look like martial law had been declared?

Governors do it for large crowds or where there has been issues before.

May 30 2020
The governors of Minnesota and 11 other states have called up National Guard troops as they faced another night of violent protests sparked by the death of an African American man while in police custody.

For the past five nights, initially peaceful protesting has degenerated into looting, arson and other violence in Minneapolis and neighboring St. Paul, as well as other cities across the United States, following the gruesome death of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

“We are under assault,” first-term Minnesota Governor Tim Walz said as he promised “full strength” would be used to restore order.

Governors in at least 11 other states — Georgia, Kentucky, Ohio, Wisconsin, Colorado, Utah, Washington, California, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas — also activated National Guard troops to help quell protests that in many areas have turned violent.

The more I think about it, the military was the wrong force, civilian cops should have been used.

I disagree but that is hindsight, the number of people, that showed up, wasn't anticipated by many.

Bottom line: Pelosi had responsibility for securing the Capitol Building, and she failed. She should have had the DC Police there backing up her Capitol Police, especially with ~1,000,000 protesters there.

Bottom line, no she didn't, no matter what "law and order" republicans you are parroting.

The Speaker of the House is not in charge of Capitol security. That's the responsibility of the Capitol Police Board, which oversees the US Capitol Police and approves requests for National Guard assistance.

The Capitol Police are overseen by a number of entities and individuals, none of whom are Pelosi.

Pelosi was not a chair or administrator of any committee supervising the Capitol Police at the time of the insurrection. She's not listed on any of those committees' websites today, either.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Otherwise, it could have been "absolutely a lovely day," Trump told Sean Hannity.

Repeating a claim debunked a year ago, former President Donald Trump insisted again this week that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) had rejected the help of the National Guard last Jan. 6.

Fox News host Sean Hannity asked the former president Thursday night if he had “authorized” the Guard to protect the Capitol building “in the lead-up” to Jan. 6, 2021. Trump responded: “One hundred percent, and attested to by many people. And they turned it down … Nancy Pelosi turned it down ... and she’s in charge of the Capitol.”

There would have been “no problem whatsoever, but they turned it down, which tells you everything,” Trump claimed, also referring to Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser. “If not for those Democrats ... you would not have had any problem. It would have just been absolutely a lovely day.”

Trump did nothing to help for 187 minutes as he watched the violence unfold on TV in the White House, the Jan. 6 House Select Committee investigating the attack has said, citing firsthand testimony.

Trump Lies Again That Nancy Pelosi Refused National Guard Help For Jan. 6​

Why does Trump keep repeating the same old lies? What do you think?

Where is the lie? Who is lying? All I see are two sides to the story. Who eventually called in the NG after the riot? If Trump was so disruptive and non compliant on the NG leading up to the event, that would have been a slam dunk for Pelosi to bring that to the surface before the event, “Trump refused my request”

 

[Smokin' OP]

He's right. You are one fucking retard that needs to be shot.

Yeah, I know.

Telling your fat, orange dear leader he has no clothes is a capital offense, in Trumplandia.

 

[Chillicothe]

"He's right. You are one fucking retard that needs to be shot."

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Li'l Bripat......and I mean this as your friend, is this the right venue for you to be making threats against fellow posters? That you would shoot them?
Would AtomWaffen be a better fit? Would just being a gamer be a better use of your time?

I mean this sincerely, you come across as a 14-yr old playing on the 'puter with adults.
Your avatar pic.....ain't wrong.

So do this: Dial it down. Don't tell other posters that they "need be shot". Quit using the f-bomb in every post, every thought. Don't call other posters 'retard'.....it is disrespectful, and said with no knowledge other than your "I-saw-it-on-the-internet" analysis.

Now I'm sure you are bright for a 14yr old, but......but the avatar you have secured to represent you, makes you look like a tantrummy Li'l momma's boy who knows only how to shriek, screech, and whine. Quit it. You should be better than that.
Grow up a little.
Then come back with more of a sense of responsibility and gravitas.

Your pal, C.
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Only "total bullshit" to someone who wants Nancy Pelosi to keep stonewalling the reasons for her failure to stop the storm she knew was coming.

OK, Arthur, we hear you, but....
But was Nancy the ONLY person then who knew "the storm" was coming?
Wouldn't Don Trump and his enablers gotten the same info?

Of course they would have. After all it was Trump and company who applied for the permit for the rally at the Ellipse. Nancy Pelosi didn't.

Accordingly, if Trump knew, if his enablers knew too......that "the storm" was coming....well, WTF, why didn't they attempt to calm the crowd instead inciting and angering them?
If they knew "the storm" was coming why would they direct it at force of building guards that they knew weren't prepared and equipped for such a large crowd?

Nancy Pelosi.....DID NOT.....stand on tha podium and shout "fight", "fight".....for nearly two dozen times.

Pelosi DID NOT stand on tha podium and claim that there need be "trial-by-combat".

Nancy Pelosi wasn't the person who aimed that angry, incited, excited crowd.... AT.....the Capitol.

Don Trump and his enablers did that.
Despite knowing that "the storm" was coming.

If you thought about it a little bit, you would quickly recognize that the President of the United States, the Commander in Chief, the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of America.......well, he should have known better.

That he did know better.
And he did it anyway.
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"Nancy Pelosi, I hold you responsible for the problems that cropped up by your refusal to allow the Capitol Police have backup to defend ........."

Good poster "beautress"...do this: Read the post just above, the response to good poster Eric Blair.

The post that defines what Nancy Pelosi was NOT responsible for. To wit: inciting, exciting, angering a crowd. Urging them "it-will-be-wild". Aiming that furious crowd at a lightly equipped force of building guards.

But you be you, poster 'beautress.' Blame Pelosi for all the things that have made your life unhappy and unsatisfying for you. You be you.
But.....understand, it wasn't Pelosi, or Mitch McDonnell, or AOC, or Rachel Maddow......who angered that crowd. And who aimed that crowd....at the Capitol of the United States of America.

Don Trump did that. Rudy Giuliani did that. Mo Brooks did that. Fredo Jr. did that. So, mon ami, bring your chickens home to the right roost.

Your friend, C.

 

[kyzr]

Ordering the NG isn't illegal.
Ordering the NG to shoot civilians would be.

I disagree but that is hindsight, the number of people, that showed up, wasn't anticipated by many.
Bottom line, no she didn't, no matter what "law and order" republicans you are parroting.

1. Does SecDef Miller control any NG troops? Yes, as directed by the president. So why didn't Miller do as directed and deploy the Guard?

District of Columbia National Guard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"The president of the United States is the commander-in-chief for the District of Columbia National Guard. Command is exercised through the secretary of defense and the commanding general,"

2. The FBI and DHS warned Pelosi that the protest might get violent and recommended reinforcing the Capitol Police. They knew there would be a huge crowd at Trump's rally.

‘Plenty of evidence’ Nancy Pelosi knew and did nothing about January 6 riots

âPlenty of evidenceâ Nancy Pelosi knew and did nothing about January 6 riots

Sky News host Paul Murray says Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not want to be called as a witness in the impeachment trial because there is a “substantial amount of evidence” that she was pre-warned about the January 6 riots.

www.skynews.com.au

Were Pelosi, McConnell warned of potential violence before Capitol riot? Offices remain mum

Representatives of the Speaker of the House and Senate Republican Leader are also silent on whether the leaders weighed in on having National Guard troops bolster security at the Capitol prior to the events of Jan. 6.

justthenews.com

Security sources told Just the News that Pelosi's staff was briefed on threats of violence, but it is unclear if Pelosi herself was briefed directly or indirectly on the situation.

 

[Lesh]

1. Does SecDef Miller control any NG troops? Yes, as directed by the president. So why didn't Miller do as directed and deploy the Guard?

District of Columbia National Guard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"The president of the United States is the commander-in-chief for the District of Columbia National Guard. Command is exercised through the secretary of defense and the commanding general,"

2. The FBI and DHS warned Pelosi that the protest might get violent and recommended reinforcing the Capitol Police. They knew there would be a huge crowd at Trump's rally.

‘Plenty of evidence’ Nancy Pelosi knew and did nothing about January 6 riots

âPlenty of evidenceâ Nancy Pelosi knew and did nothing about January 6 riots

Sky News host Paul Murray says Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not want to be called as a witness in the impeachment trial because there is a “substantial amount of evidence” that she was pre-warned about the January 6 riots.

www.skynews.com.au

Were Pelosi, McConnell warned of potential violence before Capitol riot? Offices remain mum

Representatives of the Speaker of the House and Senate Republican Leader are also silent on whether the leaders weighed in on having National Guard troops bolster security at the Capitol prior to the events of Jan. 6.

justthenews.com

Security sources told Just the News that Pelosi's staff was briefed on threats of violence, but it is unclear if Pelosi herself was briefed directly or indirectly on the situation.

All this "evidence" turns out to not be any evidence at all

Claims by anonymous "security sources"...timelines that are vague as hell put together by ....who?

Trump had a meeting with SecDef Miller about Iran and Trump threw an offhand remark about NG troops "to protect demonstrators" which Miller ignored...and took no further.

THAT is the extent of the evidence

 

[Smokin' OP]

1. Does SecDef Miller control any NG troops? Yes, as directed by the president. So why didn't Miller do as directed and deploy the Guard?

District of Columbia National Guard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"The president of the United States is the commander-in-chief for the District of Columbia National Guard. Command is exercised through the secretary of defense and the commanding general,"

2. The FBI and DHS warned Pelosi that the protest might get violent and recommended reinforcing the Capitol Police. They knew there would be a huge crowd at Trump's rally.

‘Plenty of evidence’ Nancy Pelosi knew and did nothing about January 6 riots

âPlenty of evidenceâ Nancy Pelosi knew and did nothing about January 6 riots

Sky News host Paul Murray says Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not want to be called as a witness in the impeachment trial because there is a “substantial amount of evidence” that she was pre-warned about the January 6 riots.

www.skynews.com.au

Were Pelosi, McConnell warned of potential violence before Capitol riot? Offices remain mum

Representatives of the Speaker of the House and Senate Republican Leader are also silent on whether the leaders weighed in on having National Guard troops bolster security at the Capitol prior to the events of Jan. 6.

justthenews.com

Security sources told Just the News that Pelosi's staff was briefed on threats of violence, but it is unclear if Pelosi herself was briefed directly or indirectly on the situation.

Even if it were true, moron.

You think it's the store's issue if YOU steal something.

"It's their fault I STOLE".

RETARD.

 

[kyzr]

Even if it were true, moron.
You think it's the store's issue if YOU steal something.
"It's their fault I STOLE".
RETARD.

You on drugs? That post makes no sense to the discussion.

 

[kyzr]

All this "evidence" turns out to not be any evidence at all
Claims by anonymous "security sources"...timelines that are vague as hell put together by ....who?
Trump had a meeting with SecDef Miller about Iran and Trump threw an offhand remark about NG troops "to protect demonstrators" which Miller ignored...and took no further.
THAT is the extent of the evidence

SecDef Miller testified under oath Trump requested NG troops for 1/6, duh. That is the evidence.
What evidence do you have to the contrary? That Pelosi is stonewalling?

 

[Lesh]

SecDef Miller testified under oath Trump requested NG troops for 1/6, duh. That is the evidence.
What evidence do you have to the contrary? That Pelosi is stonewalling?

Miller testified that Trump threw that remark at him "to protect the protesters" in a meeting about Iran and Miller did NOTHING with it.

it went no further.

You know this and pretend otherwise.

 

[Chillicothe]

"The president of the United States is the commander-in-chief for the District of Columbia National Guard. Command is exercised through the secretary of defense and the commanding general,"

2. The FBI and DHS warned Pelosi that the protest might get violent and recommended reinforcing the Capitol Police. They knew there would be a huge crowd at Trump's rally.
‘Plenty of evidence’ Nancy Pelosi knew and did nothing about January 6 riots

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That's a mixed bag you offer the forum, postrer 'kyzer'.
As you say yourself in your bullet-point #1: Trump "is the commander in chief".....the ultimate responsible party. It was on his watch.

He failed to ensure that ALL parties in the chain-of-command were apprised of "the storm" --as one previous poster described it. Why?
He likely had unique intelligence coming to him via all the resources of the U.S., not to mention Roger Stone's and Michael Flynn's contacts with Oathkeepers, Proud Boys, Three Percenters, and other 'free radical' troublemakers.

So we all can agree, Don Trump knew "it-will-be-wild". In fact, he encouraged it. Yet he didn't implement appropriate measures to handle it. Most egregiously, rather than mitigating the potential for violence.....he incited it. "Come to DC it will be wild"; 'they don't respect you';.....so "fight. Fight. Fight. Fight.' "Trial-by-combat". And.........we will go to the Capitol. I will be with you.

None of that, good poster kyzer, is responsible leadership. Don Trump had a legal duty to NOT incite the anger and fury of a large volatile crowd of supporters....right there in the midst of our governmental infrastructure.

But he did exactly that, anyway.

 

[kyzr]

Miller testified that Trump threw that remark at him "to protect the protesters" in a meeting about Iran and Miller did NOTHING with it.
it went no further.
You know this and pretend otherwise.

Your wording is incorrect. What part of "Trump told Miller to "fill" the request" don't you get?

Trump wanted troops to protect his supporters at Jan. 6 rally

President Donald Trump wanted National Guard troops in Washington to protect his supporters at a Jan. 6 rally that ended with them attacking the U.S. Capitol, leaving five dead, Trump's former Pentagon chief testified on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

"Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."

I interpret that as having NG troops there in case of violence. Once there they could have protected the Capitol Building. Did the FBI & DHS warn Trump of probable violence? We know they warned Pelosi. Yet the Capitol Building was not adequately protected. The sham Pelosi "investigation" skipped over the good stuff.

 

[Lesh]

"Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."

And Miller did NOTHING.

How do you keep missing that

 

[kyzr]

And Miller did NOTHING.
How do you keep missing that

Another article said that the NG general didn't like the optics of troops around the capitol.
So it was either Miller or the general that kept NG troops out of there.
I can't swear that Miller made the decision not to deploy.

 

[Rambunctious]

Lumpy Hannity just loves putting his boy on there to kiss his ass & give him a forum to run his yap & bullshit dumbass rubes like you who believe him.

One is a compulsive liar & the other one swears to it.

I don't watch Hannity and won't start until he wakes up and see's Graham for what he is...a smooth talking McCain RINO...

 

[Lakhota]

Trump owes Nancy an apology.