Trump lawyers claim Russians convinced him the election was stolen.

[Mac-7]

a guy that acts on russian intelligence and can't find time for cia briefings?

proves he really loves the usa.

You have been lied to

The claims of foreign interference came from the Deep State - AKA the CIA

 

[whutTHEYsay]

That is a lib lie

Trump is saying that the Deep State may have mislead him about foreign interference

II. President Trump’s Response To Foreign Influence In The 2016 Election

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24194021/govuscourtsdcd2581491670.pdf

President Trump seeks the complete, classified version of the 2016 Election ICA and all source materials. See Doc. 166-1, Ex. C at 3 (Request Nos. 8, 14). In addition, as explained in the Classified Supplement, President Trump also seeks specific information relating to measures that he oversaw to mitigate cybersecurity threats and protect the integrity of the 2020 election.
These materials are discoverable because information relating to a “significant escalation” of foreign influence in the 2016 election motivated President Trump and his Administration to focus on foreign influence and cyber risks, as reflected in Executive Order 13848, and to be skeptical of claims about the absence of foreign influence in the 2020 election. This evidence rebuts the position of the Special Counsel’s Office that President Trump’s actions between November 2020 and January 2021 were motivated by a desire to maintain office and undertaken with specific intent and unlawful purpose. See Poindexter, 727 F. Supp. at 1475 (“[A]bsence of a
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motive would, in turn, refute the claim that he intentionally entered into an agreement. . . . . Evidence regarding the absence of motive is usually admitted to negate specific intent.”); United States v. Childress, 58 F.3d 693, 707-08 (D.C. Cir. 1995) (“[P]urposeful intent—or ‘conscious desire’ to achieve a ‘result’—is the essence of conspiracy.”) (quoting United States v. Bailey, 444 U.S. 394, 404 (1980) (cleaned up); United States v. Ali, 870 F. Supp. 2d 10, 21 (D.D.C. 2012) (“[T]o prove the particular offenses with which [defendant] is charged, an analysis of his purpose is necessary.”) (cleaned up).
Moreover, whereas the Special Counsel’s Office falsely alleges that President Trump “erode[d] public faith in the administration of the election,” the 2016 Election ICA uses strikingly similar language to attribute the origins of that erosion to foreign influence—that is, foreign efforts to “undermine public faith in the US democratic process.” Compare Indictment ¶ 2, with Ex. A at 1; see also id. at 6 (describing “Kremlin-directed campaign to undermine faith in the US Government and fuel political protest”). The Office has argued elsewhere that President Trump “had access to far more information than others in the country,” including “the benefit of the full resources of the federal government.” Doc. 139 at 8-9. The Office may be correct, but it cannot selectively present intelligence information that supports its narrative while suppressing intelligence that underscores President Trump’s good faith. Thus, President Trump is entitled to the detailed information supporting the conclusions in the 2016 Election ICA—including “specific intelligence on key elements of the influence campaign,” Ex. A at 1—in order to demonstrate to the jury that he did not create or cause the environment that the prosecution seeks to blame him for. For similar reasons, and because President Trump is entitled to evidence demonstrating that his concerns were genuine based on the steps he took in response to the 2016 Election ICA, the prosecution must disclose the additional materials described in the Classified Supplement.
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III. Foreign Influence Efforts Relating To The 2020 Election And January 6
President Trump is also entitled to all information relating to foreign influence efforts targeting the 2020 election, including foreign influence relating to events on January 6, whether or not he was briefed contemporaneously regarding these issues. Doc. 166-1, Ex. B at 4, 8 (Request Nos. 19 & 46(b)).
As with the 2016 Election ICA, efforts by foreign actors to influence public opinion and perceptions is discoverable in light of the prosecution’s allegation that President Trump “create[d] an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and erode[d] public faith in the administration of the [2020] election.” Indictment ¶ 2; see also id. ¶ 4 (alleging that the charged conspiracies “built on the widespread mistrust the Defendant was creating”). Moreover, evidence of covert foreign disinformation campaigns relating to the 2020 election supports the defense argument that President Trump and others acted in good faith even if certain reports were ultimately determined to be inaccurate.
Similar to the findings in the 2016 Election ICA, even the unclassified version of the 2020 Election ICA supports these defenses. For example:
• Russia had “conducted . . . influence operations aimed at . . . undermining public confidence in the electoral process, and exacerbating sociopolitical divisions in the US.”
• Iran “carried out a multi-pronged covert influence campaign” in order to, among other objectives, “undermine public confidence in the electoral process and US institutions, and sow division and exacerbate societal tensions in the US.”
• “[A] range of additional foreign actors—including Lebanese Hizballah, Cuba, and Venezuela—took some steps to attempt to influence the election.”
Ex. A at i.
The January 6 Committee also referenced similar intelligence, which the prosecution has
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attempted to influence the U.S. electorate,” and that “disinformation campaigns attempting to undermine the U.S. population’s confidence in their government and society.” January 6 Comm. Report at 807. The January 6 Committee also warned that “[f]oreign state adversaries of the United States generally disguise their efforts to influence U.S. audiences,” which supports President Trump’s defense that foreign actors caused and contributed to the circumstances at issue in this case. Id. at 810. These are examples of public summaries of discoverable details of foreign efforts that are favorable to President Trump. The prosecution must collect and produce all such information.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You have been lied to

Not really

Thus, President Trump is entitled to the detailed information supporting the conclusions in the 2016 Election ICA—including “specific intelligence on key elements of the influence campaign,” Ex. A at 1—in order to demonstrate to the jury that he did not create or cause the environment that the prosecution seeks to blame him for.

Trump lawyers claim Russians convinced him the election was stolen.​

 

[forkup]

Still waiting for you to document that claim

Moreover, evidence of covert foreign disinformation campaigns relating to the 2020 election supports the defense argument that President Trump and others acted in good faith even if certain reports were ultimately determined to be inaccurate Page 26

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24194021/govuscourtsdcd2581491670.pdf

The only thing you have to do is read the document I flagged.

 

[Mac-7]

Not really

Not you

I mean the op is lying

 

[Mac-7]

Moreover, evidence of covert foreign disinformation campaigns relating to the 2020 election supports the defense argument that President Trump and others acted in good faith even if certain reports were ultimately determined to be inaccurate Page 26

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24194021/govuscourtsdcd2581491670.pdf

The only thing you have to do is read the document I flagged.

I read it

Do you think it says that trump was lied to by the russians?

If anyone lied to trump it was the Deep State

 

[forkup]

I read it

Do you think it says that trump was lied to by the russians?

If anyone lied to trump it was the Deep State

It's the whole reason they are requesting discovery. Since they want to establish Trump was acting in good faith.

 

[BackAgain]

Court filings say the Trump can't be blamed for believing the election was stolen, or for all the actions he took trying to keep the presidency. Sounds like he is finally admitting the election wasn't stolen, but claims he was fooled into breaking the law. He's desperately trying to find some way to avoid prison.

MSN

Here’s the part of your story you failed to consider.

Regardless of who convinced President Trump, if he was convinced, then he didn’t lie.

 

[Mac-7]

It's the whole reason they are requesting discovery. Since they want to establish Trump was acting in good faith.

Of course

There is nothing wrong with that

 

[SweetTea]

The character of this country is being revealed more every day. It appears that, as a whole, we just don't care. We're ready to roll over and be ruled.

You finally got something right, the only problem is that you are confused on which party is actually trying to take complete control and rule.

 

[forkup]

Of course

There is nothing wrong with that

You can't say they aren't claiming Trump believed the election was stolen because of the Russians while they are asking for discovery to establish exactly that. One or the other.

 

[Mac-7]

You can't say they aren't claiming Trump believed the election was stolen because of the Russians while they are asking for discovery to establish exactly that. One or the other.

And what is wrong with that?

 

[Mac-7]

And what is wrong with that?

If trump was given bad intelligence by the Deep State the blame is theirs

 

[The Duke]

Conceding a lost election is the mature and reasonable thing to do, but it has nothing to do with determining the outcome. The loser is still the loser, even if he doesn't want to admit it.

It won't change you propelling him into The White House with your douchebaggery either!

 

[Mac-7]

If trump was given bad intelligence by the Deep State the blame is theirs

Btw: none of this means that the election was not stolen by biden

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Regardless of who convinced President Trump, if he was convinced, then he didn’t lie.

Trump is arguing that the American people were convinced that the election was stolen based on foreign disinformation and he is no different from the dupes no matter where or whom the disinformation came from.

But there is material evidence that Trump was going to claim the election was stolen before the results were in.

I know it’s difficult for MAG to keep several sets of facts in their skulls for more than seven seconds; but that’s what’s needed to be done to get to the truth and
to prove former President Trump is a loser and a criminal and needs to go to prison.

That will happen in a court of law, which is why Trump is asking for all this shit to delay it, and hope he can become president again, and be a dictator for a day, and pardon himself. However this time, he won’t be accountable to anybody, he thinks, not even his own voters.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Btw: none of this means that the election was not stolen by biden

It means Trump the defendant understands that the election was not stolen, and now the leaders of that misinformation like you are stuck in the world of trump folly.

 

[Mac-7]

It means Trump the defendant understands that the election was not stolen, and now the leaders of that misinformation like you are stuck in the world of trump folly.

Trump is under assault by the criminals in washington

He is free to use any argument that might help him

 

[MinTrut]

And so productive.

Two criminal gangs...

 

[whutTHEYsay]

He is free to use any argument that might help him

Of course he is. Not only free. He is entitled to it, and the burden of proof is on the prosecution because the prosecutors have to get a unanimous verdict.

The criminal will need to get at least one hold out on each of these juries for him to win but I think he will have to come up with a better argument than the Russians made me do it.