Trump is going to get America involved in another Viet Nam like War!

[TruthSeeker112125]

And?

I'm not sure if We are also having a conversation in another topic about Trump Bombing Syria's AFBs, over a Lie.

But herein,....... Many Veterans, like myself, & others that I have contact with, after experiencing the Chaos, & Horror of War, especially when it has ended up like Viet Nam, Afghanistan, & Iraq, question the reason for making that "War".

 

[Godboy]

Which is True, but,..... "Putting Boots on th' Ground", is still a Necessity, even in Today's' Age of Modern Warfare.

We didnt put boots on the ground in Iran, yet we still destroyed their nuclear program. You only need boots on the ground for full on regime change.

We arent looking for that in Venezuala. We just want Maduro out and then new elections can be had with the exact same government. A drone strike is all thats required.

We will likely send in special operations teams to occasionally hit drug dealers, however.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

We didnt put boots on the ground in Iran, yet we still destroyed their nuclear program. You only need boots on the ground for full on regime change.

We arent looking for that in Venezuala. We just want Maduro out and then new elections can be had with the exact same government. A drone strike is all thats required.

We will likely send in special operations teams to occasionally hit drug dealers, however.

Bombing Iran, was an Unjustified, & Undeclared Act of War, in My Firm Belief Godboy. And per many reports, Iran's Nuclear Program was not destroyed.

Trump's past track record of "Making War" is Alarming,..... His Bombing of Syrian AFBs, was over a lie, that "Sarin Gas" had been used on the rebels, but the Videos, & Pics of the "White Hats" showing up somehow shortly after the alleged attack instantly proved that it didn't happen.

Trump ordering attacks upon suspected drug runners in International Waters is an Act of War. "If" Trump had increased naval patrols in American Waters, & they intercepted a suspected Drug Runner, & it opened fire on American vessels, then American Forces would have every right to fire upon those boats! Furthermore,... to the best of my knowledge,... Those boats do not have the range to enter American Waters, & instead their destination is the Caribbean Islands such as the Dominican Republic, & perhaps Cuba.

 

[j-mac]

Which is True, but,..... "Putting Boots on th' Ground", is still a Necessity, even in Today's' Age of Modern Warfare.

Look at the Ukrainian War, & Gaza, the Congo, Thailand & Cambodia, in all cases, even with Drones, Hypersonic Missiles, etc.,..... Mass numbers of Troops on the ground, has been required.

Trump's attacking Venezuelan "Drug Bases", could be done with "Special Forces", & "Air Assault Forces", BUT,......... There is No Way, that small American Units, would be able to engage with the "Drug Cartels", & The Venezuelan Military.

And now, apparently Trump is looking for the Venezuelan Leader to be forced out of Office, which will require Massive numbers of "Troops on the Ground".

A lot of that depends on various factors. Morale, and will to fight against overwhelming force.

Venezuela doesn’t have much recent combat experience to point to. The military hasn’t fought a major war in modern times. Most of its operations have been internal, like patrolling borders, cracking down on smuggling, or clashing with Colombian groups along the frontier. Those encounters have given some troops real-world experience, but mostly in short, low-level fights rather than the kind of large, sustained combat a war with the U.S. would involve.

Morale is another layer to the story. The senior ranks are closely tied to President Maduro’s government, with many officers holding political or economic stakes in keeping the system intact. That loyalty helps maintain control, but it doesn’t always equal readiness or confidence in the field. In a crisis, it’s not obvious whether every unit would stay loyal or try to protect itself.

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Now, they do have equipment, but much of it old and out of date, so anything they could muster initially would certainly be unsustainable in a prolonged conflict.

And yes, I am a veteran.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

A lot of that depends on various factors. Morale, and will to fight against overwhelming force.

Venezuela doesn’t have much recent combat experience to point to. The military hasn’t fought a major war in modern times. Most of its operations have been internal, like patrolling borders, cracking down on smuggling, or clashing with Colombian groups along the frontier. Those encounters have given some troops real-world experience, but mostly in short, low-level fights rather than the kind of large, sustained combat a war with the U.S. would involve.

Morale is another layer to the story. The senior ranks are closely tied to President Maduro’s government, with many officers holding political or economic stakes in keeping the system intact. That loyalty helps maintain control, but it doesn’t always equal readiness or confidence in the field. In a crisis, it’s not obvious whether every unit would stay loyal or try to protect itself.

How Strong Is Venezuela’s Military Against a Potential U.S. Invasion?

Explore how strong is Venezuela’s military, defense capabilities, and readiness in a hypothetical U.S. invasion scenario.

defensefeeds.com

Now, they do have equipment, but much of it old and out of date, so anything they could muster initially would certainly be unsustainable in a prolonged conflict.

And yes, I am a veteran.

j-mac, I don't have the mindset of an invasion of Venezuela being a "Cake walk", nor do I Believe in committing large groups of Conventional Military Forces to any "Action" unless it is "Justified", & "War is Declared". Once those two qualifiers are met,..... Then I Believe that Our Forces must be given a Clear & Obtainable Objective, with the result being that the Offending Nation's Military,& Industrial Capacity is destroyed.----- Once accomplished, then Our Troops come home, without any attempted "Nation Rebuilding".

Being a Veteran,.... What do You remember about Your basic CBR Training, as how to respond when a suspected "Neurological Agent", has been deployed?

 

[Godboy]

Bombing Iran, was an Unjustified, & Undeclared Act of War, in My Firm Belief Godboy.

We havent declared war since WW2. Your opinion about what is or isnt justified is irrellevent as mine. All that matters are the facts.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

We havent declared war since WW2. Your opinion about what is or isnt justified is irrellevent as mine. All that matters are the facts.

And I'm Upholding those Facts.

 

[j-mac]

j-mac, I don't have the mindset of an invasion of Venezuela being a "Cake walk"

I don't think that ANY action is a "Cake Walk". It takes planning and contingencies for any, and all possible threats. Our military is fully capable of the mission.

, nor do I Believe in committing large groups of Conventional Military Forces to any "Action" unless it is "Justified", & "War is Declared".

Justified, and Declared war are two different things. I believe that these countries engaged in proliferating killing drugs like Fentanyl, and or Cocaine into this nation for distribution, knowing that the potential to kill hundreds of thousands of American's is an asymmetrical warfare tactic. And should be delt with as such.

Once those two qualifiers are met,..... Then I Believe that Our Forces must be given a Clear & Obtainable Objective, with the result being that the Offending Nation's Military,& Industrial Capacity is destroyed.----- Once accomplished, then Our Troops come home, without any attempted "Nation Rebuilding".

I think that Venezuela is guilty of this asymmetrical warfare against the United States, with it's nations leader Maduro knowingly committing this act of war. So, the objective is clear. Remove Maduro, destroy the country's drug making capabilities, and ensure that a free and fair election takes place where the winner is then seated, and recognized as the leader of Venezuela...

Being a Veteran,.... What do You remember about Your basic CBR Training, as how to respond when a suspected "Neurological Agent", has been deployed?

Well, I don't know what this question has to do with the subject at hand, but rather to question my service, which was some 40 years ago now. but if I recall correctly it follows 4 basic steps
1. Recognition of poisoning
2. Medical management - ie deployment of NBR injection to the thigh....
3. Decontamination
4. Prevention of secondary causalities...

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

I don't think that ANY action is a "Cake Walk". It takes planning and contingencies for any, and all possible threats. Our military is fully capable of the mission.

Justified, and Declared war are two different things. I believe that these countries engaged in proliferating killing drugs like Fentanyl, and or Cocaine into this nation for distribution, knowing that the potential to kill hundreds of thousands of American's is an asymmetrical warfare tactic. And should be delt with as such.

I think that Venezuela is guilty of this asymmetrical warfare against the United States, with it's nations leader Maduro knowingly committing this act of war. So, the objective is clear. Remove Maduro, destroy the country's drug making capabilities, and ensure that a free and fair election takes place where the winner is then seated, and recognized as the leader of Venezuela...

Well, I don't know what this question has to do with the subject at hand, but rather to question my service, which was some 40 years ago now. but if I recall correctly it follows 4 basic steps
1. Recognition of poisoning
2. Medical management - ie deployment of NBR injection to the thigh....
3. Decontamination
4. Prevention of secondary causalities...

America hasn't Declared War, since WW2, whereas Our Founding Fathers declared War, before engaging with any nation.

The War of 1812, was Justly Declared against England, largely due to it intercepting & seizing American Ships, their Cargo, as well as Sailors in "International Waters", which is very similiar to what Trump is now doing against suspected drug boats.

"Justified, and Declared war are two different things".... That's Your Opinion only, & not mine.

"I think that Venezuela is guilty of this asymmetrical warfare against the United States, with it's nations leader Maduro knowingly committing this act of war"..... So,when does China get attacked for it's involvement in the 'Drug War"?

"and ensure that a free and fair election takes place where the winner is then seated"..... More "Nation Rebuilding that Largely has failed in Afghanistan, & Iraq??

"but rather to question my service"..... I'm not "Questioning Your Service Sir". My Point is to "Shake Your Memory".

We were trained that when it is necessary to enter an area where a suspected Neurotoxin was used, to use CBR Gear. The "White Hats", that somehow showed up almost immediately after the alleged sarin attack,.....Per the Pictures & Videos,..... Absolutely did not have/use any type of protective Gear.

Nor did they treat the alleged gas victims per any protocol contained in any EPA, OSHA, nor Military field manual. There was no "Decontamination Protocol" followed.

The Victims were hosed off with a garden hose, with their clothes still on, and not one "White Hat" was overcome by Sarin.

Trump Bombed Syrian Airfields despite this Obvious Fluke.

 

[j-mac]

America hasn't Declared War, since WW2, whereas Our Founding Fathers declared War, before engaging with any nation.

The War of 1812, was Justly Declared against England, largely due to it intercepting & seizing American Ships, their Cargo, as well as Sailors in "International Waters", which is very similiar to what Trump is now doing against suspected drug boats.

It is true that we have conducted many military actions that haven't been declared wars since WWII. And a review of our laws, as well as international law, the US has arguably been on the right side of those...

"Justified, and Declared war are two different things".... That's Your Opinion only, & not mine.

Ok, and?

"I think that Venezuela is guilty of this asymmetrical warfare against the United States, with it's nations leader Maduro knowingly committing this act of war"..... So,when does China get attacked for it's involvement in the 'Drug War"?

Why is it that those advocating that the US render itself powerless against this, always want us to attack China? Are you looking for that type of conflict?

"and ensure that a free and fair election takes place where the winner is then seated"..... More "Nation Rebuilding that Largely has failed in Afghanistan, & Iraq??

Do you think Maduro should be allowed to continue?

"but rather to question my service"..... I'm not "Questioning Your Service Sir". My Point is to "Shake Your Memory".

We were trained that when it is necessary to enter an area where a suspected Neurotoxin was used, to use CBR Gear. The "White Hats", that somehow showed up almost immediately after the alleged sarin attack,.....Per the Pictures & Videos,..... Absolutely did not have/use any type of protective Gear.

Nor did they treat the alleged gas victims per any protocol contained in any EPA, OSHA, nor Military field manual. There was no "Decontamination Protocol" followed.

The Victims were hosed off with a garden hose, with their clothes still on, and not one "White Hat" was overcome by Sarin.

Trump Bombed Syrian Airfields despite this Obvious Fluke.

And connect the dots for me. This has what to do with the current Venezuela situation?

 

[Godboy]

And I'm Upholding those Facts.

Are you recognizing that no president in 80 years has declared war? Nope, youre acting all outraged and demanding that Trump do something that no one else does.

 

[longly]

Which is True, but,..... "Putting Boots on th' Ground", is still a Necessity, even in Today's' Age of Modern Warfare.

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That is definitely true, and I wish more Americans could see it. Too many believe in the concept of a “push-button war,” which doesn’t exist. Until we have ground combat robots, mass numbers of troops on the ground will still be needed.

It worries me. We’re woefully unprepared for war in the Arctic. As weak as the Russians are, they could defeat us in Alaska. Our army simply isn’t big enough, and our culture is too weak to provide the large number of troops that are needed.

Perhaps there’s still time for something to be done about it. Until then, tactical nukes are our only practical option—but that means we would have to nuke our own territory. Still, you can’t allow the Russians to gain a foothold in North America.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Are you recognizing that no president in 80 years has declared war? Nope, youre acting all outraged and demanding that Trump do something that no one else does.

Do You realize how many Undeclared Wars that have been fought since WW2, there were?

Does that make it Right,....... Not in My World. And I reckon, that per Your Belief, doing what has been Honored by American Leaders 80 years ago, & more,..... Is Not part of "MAGA!".

 

[Godboy]

Do You realize how many Undeclared Wars that have been fought since WW2, there were?

Does that make it Right,....... Not in My World. And I reckon, that per Your Belief, doing what has been Honored by American Leaders 80 years ago, & more,..... Is Not part of "MAGA!".

Congressional democrats would NEVER vote to go to war, if Trump wanted to go to war. Congress wont vote based on whats good for the nation. Those days are long over. Its just pure politics now, so there is no reason whatsoever to do anything in Congress.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Congressional democrats would NEVER vote to go to war, if Trump wanted to go to war. Congress wont vote based on whats good for the nation. Those days are long over. Its just pure politics now, so there is no reason whatsoever to do anything in Congress.

Anymore,... In Today's World that is suffering from a "Plague of Lunacy",.... It's hard to say what the Democrats, & Republicans will Vote on, in a Truly Patriotic Manner, in such a way that will not harm "We the People", and America, Godboy.

Our Leaders, both POTUS & Congress, in the past, & now, have & are Committing Acts that destroy the power of the Dollar, Acts that only serve to enrich the Elites, Acts that make a Mockery of America's Heritage as a "God Fearing Nation", Acts that commit Our Military Forces to Unjustified, & Undeclared Wars, Acts that Destroy America's Manufacturing Capabilities, Acts that Fail to ensure that Our Electrical Grid will completely meet the needs of America....... When One Truly Opens their Eyes, & Ears, & Demands The Truth, & Nothing But The Truth, ....... They will then realize that Our so called "Leaders", in the Majority, are working towards Destroying the Almighty GOD Blessed Nation that once drew the Envy, & Fear of the Nations of the World.

We can not afford another Undeclared , & Unjustified War Godboy.

And, We have to jointly work towards "Getting Our House in Order", before it collapses upon Us.

 

[Godboy]

We can not afford another Undeclared , & Unjustified War Godboy.

That simply isnt true. We can afford it and it WILL keep happening under both party's presidents going forward.

You will not ever see me bitching about democrat presidents doing this, and you wont ***** either, until a republican is in office, THEN youll to right back to your hypocritical bitching about it again.

 

[konradv]

POTUS Donald Trump, who thought that he deserved the Nobel Peace Prize, without declaring War, bombed Iran.​

Then, instead of intercepting suspected drug running boats in American waters, & showing what these boats were carrying to the American people, he ordered American Forces to blow them up, In International Waters, which is An Act of War, and against International Law via the United Nations, which America is still a member of.

Now, Trump is apparently preparing to attack Venezuela, with American forces.

This "Wannabe, Nobel Peace Prize Winner" is apparently using George Orwell's book "1984" as Guide book.

"Peace is War"
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Trump Declares Airspace Above Venezuela "To Be Closed In Its Entirety"​

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" President Trump said on Saturday on X that the airspace above and surrounding Venezuela will "be closed in its entirety."

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RESIST!

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

That simply isnt true. We can afford it and it WILL keep happening under both party's presidents going forward.

You will not ever see me bitching about democrat presidents doing this, and you wont ***** either, until a republican is in office, THEN youll to right back to your hypocritical bitching about it again.

LOL!

Now You Assume what I will do, & Believe.

You simply have Failed there Godboy.

And,.... How You Believe "We can afford it",.... As if Speaking for Every American, and as if speaking with Great Knowledge & Wisdom,..... Is Amazingly Laughable, as well as bringing up the Question of where in the hell do You pull your data from.

 

[sparky]

Justified, and Declared war are two different things. I believe that these countries engaged in proliferating killing drugs like Fentanyl, and or Cocaine into this nation for distribution, knowing that the potential to kill hundreds of thousands of American's is an asymmetrical warfare tactic. And should be delt with as such.

they're killing our kids j-mac.......children!.......~S~

 

[j-mac]

they're killing our kids j-mac.......children!.......~S~

today's Progressive DSM's don't give two shits about that....Look who they're defending here....