Trump is CREATING a deep state.

[SmokeALib]

Trump has long complained about what he called the deep state. He thinks the deep state is a wide bureaucracy within the federal government who, on the orders of some anonymous person, are working to prevent him from succeeding because they just don't like trump. He claims any pushback he receives is purely personal and has nothing to do with their job requirements or what is good for the country. If social media is an accurate indicator, rump's offer to buy out current employees with the stated purpose of replacing them with trump loyalists is backfiring on him. Large numbers of government employees are posting that they are refusing to take the buyout and are staying for the specific purpose of interfering with trump's policies as much as possible. What trump has long feared is becoming real, and it's all because of his overreach.

Deep state already there. If anything, Trump is dismantling it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump is not project 2025.

The authors of project 2025 are clearly influenced by Trump, not the other way around.

Trump's actions mirror Project 2025.

Yes, because the authors of project 2025 are influenced by Trump.

Trump is project 2025. He's following it's instructions

Impossible. Trump was talking the same way years before project 2025 was published.

 

[AntonToo]

President Trump can fire i.g.s if he wants to.

You keep repeating that without taking into account what you are quoting. Not smart.


Again, lets just do part one, setting aside the question of CAN Trump a POTUS do it and instead answer the question SHOULD POTUS do it?

Should the president install loyalists over well qualified career professionals in Federal departments?

Specifically on justice - should there be a professional independence in our DOJ/FBI? Or should their investigations be directed and manged by POTUS?


The bi-partisan answer since Nixon's Watergate misadventures was that we need to maintain a good dose of separation between the White House and justice department. Our DOJ and FBI should be credible and not become political tools.

Take Biden and DOJ's investigating him and prosecuting his son. You really think it would you be ok for Biden to simply remove anyone in the department who dares to investigate his family? Fire anyone who dared to investigate other Democrats or some lefty protestors he happens to like?

No? Then think twice about what you are now supporting Trump doing, because this is where all of this is headed and there is no undoing the precedent once it's accepted.

 

[AntonToo]

Trump is not project 2025.

Well you say that, and many hoped that his denials would be at least somewhat true, that it was just an exaguration....but sadly this Trump Part Deux is shaping up as unhinged as the Project 2025. Trump is following a close script laid out in it.

The Project states about the next president that “he will need to decide expeditiously how to handle any major ongoing litigation or other pending legal matters that might present a challenge to his agenda” rather than allowing the DOJ and FBI to act independently to ensure the rule of law

Thats what Trump is doing to a T - by installing loyalists he clearly wants to initiate, control and direct all investigations, all public communication from DOJ that may be of interest to his politics.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes, because the authors of project 2025 are influenced by Trump.

Impossible. Trump was talking the same way years before project 2025 was published.

That doesn't matter. He distanced himself from 2025 by saying much of it was horrendous, yet he is now following what he called a horrendous plan closely now.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Could anyone please name some of the Biden appointees that he chose at least in part because of their expressions of disloyalty to him?

It seems new standard for appointees was created as soon as Trump’s win became apparent.

 

[Seymour Flops]

That doesn't matter. He distanced himself from 2025 by saying much of it was horrendous, yet he is now following what he called a horrendous plan closely now.

When he follows the parts he said were horrendous, get back to me. So far, he’s doing what we’ve known he would do long before project 2025.

 

[AntonToo]

Could anyone please name some of the Biden appointees that he chose at least in part because of their expressions of disloyalty to him?

Well qualified Garland, who promissed prosecuratorial independance and practiced it to a flaw.

Not-at-all qualified Patel? He refused to give any assurances of independance, instead assuring Congressmen that his job will be to execute Trump's agenda.

If you can't tell the difference then you don't know up from down.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Well you say that, and many hoped that his denials would be at least somewhat true, that it was just an exaguration....but sadly this Trump Part Deux is shaping up as unhinged as the Project 2025. Trump is following a close script laid out in it.

The Project states about the next president that “he will need to decide expeditiously how to handle any major ongoing litigation or other pending legal matters that might present a challenge to his agenda” rather than allowing the DOJ and FBI to act independently to ensure the rule of law

Thats what Trump is doing to a T - by installing loyalists he clearly wants to initiate, control and direct all investigations, all public communication from DOJ that may be of interest to his politics.

Name some of the Biden appointees who he picked so they would be disloyal to him.

 

[BackAgain]

Trump has long complained about what he called the deep state. He thinks the deep state is a wide bureaucracy within the federal government who, on the orders of some anonymous person, are working to prevent him from succeeding because they just don't like trump. He claims any pushback he receives is purely personal and has nothing to do with their job requirements or what is good for the country. If social media is an accurate indicator, rump's offer to buy out current employees with the stated purpose of replacing them with trump loyalists is backfiring on him. Large numbers of government employees are posting that they are refusing to take the buyout and are staying for the specific purpose of interfering with trump's policies as much as possible. What trump has long feared is becoming real, and it's all because of his overreach.

If your contention is that, hereafter, our federal employees will not be permitted to do as they please, but will instead be required to put into effect the policies set forth by the actual Chief Executive, then we actually agree.

BUT, calling it a different kind of “deep state” is just plain stupid of you.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Garland, who EXPRESSLY promissed DOJ independance and practiced it to a flaw.

He lied. He did nothing he wasn’t ordered to do.

His DOJ tried to sneak a sweetheart plea bargain for Bidens son past a judge and got bought.

Patel? Refused to give any such assurances, instead assuring Congress that he will execute Trump's agenda.

The guy whose agenda was just overwhelmingly ratified by the American people? Should he have signed on to the Dem insurrection against the duly elected president and congress?

 

[AntonToo]

He lied. He did nothing he wasn’t ordered to do.

He was ordered by Joe Biden to investigate.....Joe Biden?
He was ordered by Joe Biden to prosecute and convict.....Joe Biden's son?
He was ordered to assign a special Trump prosecutor, who's slam-dunk case would be dissmissed for being TOO INDEPENDENT from DOJ?

How fucking dumb can you get?


Trump is firing everyone that had anything to do not only with his cases but even cases of J6 criminals. And you seriously think that a loyalist like Patel would EVER allow any investigation Trump doesn't happen to like?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Well you say that, and many hoped that his denials would be at least somewhat true, that it was just an exaguration....but sadly this Trump Part Deux is shaping up as unhinged as the Project 2025. Trump is following a close script laid out in it.

The Project states about the next president that “he will need to decide expeditiously how to handle any major ongoing litigation or other pending legal matters that might present a challenge to his agenda” rather than allowing the DOJ and FBI to act independently to ensure the rule of law

Thats what Trump is doing to a T - by installing loyalists he clearly wants to initiate, control and direct all investigations, all public communication from DOJ that may be of interest to his politics.

So if I made a thread saying that Democrats on this forum will continue the strategy of whining about Trump and every single thing he does and every single person he appoints, and the Democrats on here did that that would mean they were following my thread? I think I’ll call it. “Project Bedwet.”

Immediately after I publish it, I will ask every Democrat on here if they are going to follow the guidance of Project Bedwet. If they say no, but they continue to do those things then we will know that they lied.

 

[AntonToo]

So if I made a thread saying that Democrats on this forum will continue the strategy of whining about Trump and every single thing he does and every single person he appoints, and the Democrats on here did that that would mean they were following my thread? I think I’ll call it. “Project Bedwet.”

Immediately after I publish it, I will ask every Democrat on here if they are going to follow the guidance of Project Bedwet. If they say no, but they continue to do those things then we will know that they lied.

Thats is just too stupid to seriously respond to.

I'm becoming more and more conviced that it takes intelectual midgetry to be a Trump supporter.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Well qualified Garland, who promissed prosecuratorial independance and practiced it to a flaw.

Is that why the garland DOJ came up with a sweetheart please bargain deal for Hunter Biden that was so egregious that the judge asked him if this was really what they intended?

Is that why the garland DOJ continued to go after Biden, main political rival and appointed the most corrupt special council in history?

Not-at-all qualified Patel? He refused to give any assurances of independance, instead assuring Congressmen that his job will be to execute Trump's agenda.

If you can't tell the difference then you don't know up from down.

I don’t see in the constitution where the head of the FBI is supposed to be a king in his own kingdom. I don’t care how many FBI directors were. They would be independent, none of them were. Nor would we want them to be. We elect heads up the executive branch to keep the agencies of the executive branch under control not to take a hands off approach.

Democrats love “independence “as long as, the supposedly independent people are doing exactly what they want them to do.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Thats too stupid to seriously respond to.

I'm becoming more and more conviced that it takes intelectual midgetry to be a Trump supporter.

So are you predicting that if I make such a thread none of the Democrats on here will follow his guidance? Of course you are if it’s such a stupid idea!

We shall see.

 

[AntonToo]

Is that why the garland DOJ came up with a sweetheart please bargain deal for Hunter Biden

Again, you prove how clueless you are.

Hunter Biden's Republican prosecutor was appointed in 2019 by TRUMP DOJ. There is no evidence he was in any way obstructed or directed by new incoming administration.

Like Trump is doing now, Biden could have removed him, along with the rest of prosecutors he would deem "unfriendly to his agenda" and have any case against Biden and his political allies dropped.

HE DIDN'T and to this day there is zero evidence of Biden, or his AG appointment inapropriately interfering in any politically sensitive investigation.


P.S We have multilple J6 criminal defendants right now, who pled guilty and who's cases before the court were abruptly dropped as soon as new administration set foot in the White House.

 

[JGalt]

So if I made a thread saying that Democrats on this forum will continue the strategy of whining about Trump and every single thing he does and every single person he appoints, and the Democrats on here did that that would mean they were following my thread? I think I’ll call it. “Project Bedwet.”

Immediately after I publish it, I will ask every Democrat on here if they are going to follow the guidance of Project Bedwet. If they say no, but they continue to do those things then we will know that they lied.

"Project Bedwet."

That's just pure brilliance!

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

I prefer a constitutional, America first deep state over the power hungry Marxist version. In other words, I'm happy with Trumpy's version.

Trump's version of the deep state IS the deep state.
A communist, traitor.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Again, you prove how clueless you are.

Hunter Biden's Republican prosecutor was appointed in 2019 by TRUMP DOJ. There is no evidence he was in any way obstructed or directed by new incoming administration.

Like Trump is doing now, Biden could have removed him, along with the rest of prosecutors he would deem "unfriendly to his agenda" and have any case against Biden and his political allies dropped.

HE DIDN'T and to this day there is zero evidence of Biden, or his AG appointment inapropriately interfering in any politically sensitive investigation.


P.S We have multilple J6 criminal defendants right now, who pled guilty and who's cases before the court were abruptly dropped as soon as new administration set foot in the White House.

Why did that Garland-Biden guided prosecutor try that sweethearts deal that the judge did not accept?